Curse

melissa b · Jun 06, 2011, 07:50 PM // 19:50

It has come to my attention that certain guilds are farming strong boxes in GVG, some are resigning, others are facing themselves, many times its red letting blue kill the guild lord or resigning. Also, intentionally lossing to get a low ladder ranking.

Currently there is only a 2 minute restriction before strong boxes can spawn.

Nerfing cheatway would prevent this abuse.

Couple factors that should be part of the solution

-rank
-pattern

Solution would be an invisble farming code, since pve awards are now in pvp the farming code should be carried over

Heres how it will work...

Farming Code will only apply to low rank guilds
Farming Code will gradually kick in for the strong box....based on a formula set up by anet
first it will remove possible rare drops like everlasting tonics and minipets
then it will start removing the better drops and so on until all thats left is the worst possible drops.

The formula will track time in match, resigns, frequency of matches, and so on.

I would also like to hear alternative suggestions if you have any.

Thanks

Bright Star Shine · Jun 06, 2011, 08:00 PM // 20:00

So, people are farming an item that has a 1/1000 chance to give something nice, and you're complaining?

Personally, I don't see the problem, if they want to waste their time doing so, be my guest, it's not helping them. If they decide to immediately resign, sure, ok the opposing team won't get a strongbox, but they'll get some Balth fact and rating goes up. Also, I don't see this being done in mAT's, so there isn't really such a big problem imo, unless I'm missing something vital here..

*lemming* · Jun 06, 2011, 08:03 PM // 20:03

The OP didn't explain it very well, but there's definitely a problem with what's going on.

We're talking about guilds being tanked through resigning every ladder match until about 700 rating, then the guilds being used to sync against each other for boxes, presumably hundreds of them per day.

Same principle as champ syncing, really, except this would be even more invisible if not for the ladder reset.

Still Number One · Jun 06, 2011, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

The OP didn't explain it very well, but there's definitely a problem with what's going on.

We're talking about guilds being tanked through resigning every ladder match until about 700 rating, then the guilds being used to sync against each other for boxes, presumably hundreds of them per day.

Same principle as champ syncing, really, except this would be even more invisible if not for the ladder reset.

It should be easy to fix though since it is easy to see who would be doing it. Just look at the bottom of the ladder and then run game logs for those guilds. If foul play is suspected then The participants and the guild should be banned.

Given A.Nets track record though, I assume they will simply say there isn't enough evidence and will do nothing.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 06, 2011, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Ok, what lemming said makes more sense... Although I wouldn't call it "cheatway" cause it's kind of confusing..

Only thing that would work against that is a ban hammer imo. But like said above, Anet probably can't be arsed to do anything about it...

*lemming* · Jun 06, 2011, 08:16 PM // 20:16

In principle, champ syncing was just as easy to identify, though. Look through the ladder records of all guilds between ~100-180 and it really wasn't hard to pick out the offenders.

Felt like a pretty big crapshoot whether or not NCSoft support would take it seriously, though.

Sauron The Greatest · Jun 06, 2011, 08:22 PM // 20:22

So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.

Remove GvG from the game.

melissa b · Jun 06, 2011, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Ok now that we have established its a problem, how do you feel about farming code for low rank guilds described in op. Also, do you have other proposals?

Bright Star Shine · Jun 06, 2011, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Anet probably won't admit that there is anything wrong with their new reward system, just as they refused to admit they did anything wrong in the past, at all.. They wouldn't even admit if they unrightfully banned someone. So I don't immediately see them admitting that their new reward system is in any way flawed... They'll probably try to ignore it to death tbh...

UnicornStampede · Jun 06, 2011, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Whatever anet does (if they do anything) shouldn't be too drastic cuz gvg will go back to 10pm est dead time.

solution to this: Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match.

Killed u man · Jun 06, 2011, 08:35 PM // 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauron The Greatest

So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.

Remove GvG from the game.

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Essence Snow · Jun 06, 2011, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Removing gvg is a bit much...but a mass ban of all those using match manipulation (a banable offense) to do this would be hilarious. Also they would need to remove the 1win per box ...after all thats what's making the farm possible

*lemming* · Jun 06, 2011, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by melissa b

Ok now that we have established its a problem, how do you feel about farming code for low rank guilds described in op. Also, do you have other proposals?

Far too much effort for something that has easier fixes such as, well,

1. removing boxes
2. not handing out boxes to victories over guilds <1000 rating
3. banning the perpetrators

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauron The Greatest

So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.

Remove GvG from the game.

oh u

Swingline · Jun 06, 2011, 11:42 PM // 23:42

I said it the first day that they should remove strongboxes from the reward system. They should just put them on the Zaishen Gold Coin vender. 1 gold coin seems like a fair price, this way even pve players have access to them.

ErrantVenture · Jun 06, 2011, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Make it a requirement that the winning team has at least 1000 rating to get a strongbox. Problem solved.

Artisan Archer · Jun 07, 2011, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErrantVenture

Make it a requirement that the winning team has at least 1000 rating to get a strongbox. Problem solved.

Make it 950 then. There's plenty of legit guilds in the 950-1000 rating range.

mathiastemplar · Jun 07, 2011, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Setting a req to get boxes is a bad idea. So is removing the boxes.

This was meant to encourage more people to play GvG.

Idea:
Dishonor system for resigning.
Resigning within one minute could give 100 minutes of dishonor.
Resigning within 2 minutes = 90 minutes of Dishonor.
And so on.
After 5 minutes (maybe more) no dishonor should be given for resigning.

This should only apply to Rated and Daily GvGs.

This could ofcourse be combined with other methods (such as banning etc).

FallenAngel_ · Jun 07, 2011, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

I said it the first day that they should remove strongboxes from the reward system. They should just put them on the Zaishen Gold Coin vender. 1 gold coin seems like a fair price, this way even pve players have access to them.

It was a PvP update, directed towards... PvP. There is no purpose aside from spreading availability to everyone.
WiK was for PvE, Dungeons was for PvE.
PvP hasn't really received many updates, let them have what was given to them.

UnicornStampede · Jun 07, 2011, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Far too much effort for something that has easier fixes such as, well,

1. removing boxes
2. not handing out boxes to victories over guilds <1000 rating
3. banning the perpetrators

oh u

1. GvG goes back to dead

2. No reward for casual guilds

3. doesn't do anything with ppl with multiple accounts.

again, Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match.

Or even make it you can't resign before 5 minutes, and if you leave you get dishonor. A lot less people would be abusing it if you have to wait 5 minutes if you don't face a sync guild if you're a syncer.

megaheadshot · Jun 07, 2011, 01:20 AM // 01:20

the way i see it they should make it so you cant face the same guild winthin 24 hours of the previous match. if ppl make several guilds spot them then ban them.

edit: and make it so it costs more to make a guild so that you cant make any profit off "farming" this way