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Master Ketsu · Jun 11, 2011, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Problem: JQ seems to offer a better reward for AB for the time invested and thus makes JQ farming still more rewarding.

Proposed solution: Whenever your team wins by 150 points or more, you get an AB strongbox.

Ximvotn · Jun 11, 2011, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Alliance Battles need to give more faction regardless. Most people will farm a specific VQ because they net way more faction than either format.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 11, 2011, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Yeh, AB needs to be fixed all together. Strongboxes won't help it. Strongboxes can be added imo, but it needs a bigger fix than that...

jazilla · Jun 11, 2011, 08:16 PM // 20:16

I agree with OP and other opinions in this thread. AB would be a hotbed of fun again if the rewards were increased. I think the reason why some of the other formats were given increased reward was because they were ghost towns a few years ago.

I remember when friends and I were finishing our canthan cartography titles 2 or 3 years ago, we had to recruit people from Kaineng Center and or Alliance to go to both places so we could scrape walls in FA and JQ. It was really funny because no one was fighting. We were all just scraping walls in there. The other problem with Ab imho is that wait times can last longer than matches in most cases and the combat is pretty static now. Everyone fights those battles in exactly the same manner and it makes for a pretty boring fight.

HawkofStorms · Jun 11, 2011, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Ximvotn

Alliance Battles need to give more faction regardless. Most people will farm a specific VQ because they net way more faction than either format.

No matter what, one form of faction farm is going to be the most efficient and then everybody will do that.

Sure, AB probablly needs more faction, but if you increase that to the point of it giving you the most, everybody will play that and nobody will play JQ.

I kinda like the OP's suggestion just cause it offers incentives without pulling people away from JQ. There is a tradeoff, rather then just making one option obviously worse. People can choose to get strongboxes in AB or slightly more faction in JQ.

Ximvotn · Jun 11, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

No matter what, one form of faction farm is going to be the most efficient and then everybody will do that.

Sure, AB probablly needs more faction, but if you increase that to the point of it giving you the most, everybody will play that and nobody will play JQ.

I kinda like the OP's suggestion just cause it offers incentives without pulling people away from JQ. There is a tradeoff, rather then just making one option obviously worse. People can choose to get strongboxes in AB or slightly more faction in JQ.

I understand your point. I meant to make them equivalent to the time spent. Also, PvP faction should be more rewarding than one vanquish done over and over again this would make the arenas somewhat more populated instead of a single campaign outpost.

Hobbs · Jun 11, 2011, 09:23 PM // 21:23

I'd play AB if there were strongboxes.

/signed

Koyote · Jun 11, 2011, 09:30 PM // 21:30

A friend of mine needs to max her Party Animal & Drunkard titles, and we really enjoy playing AB.

/signed

RedDog91 · Jun 12, 2011, 04:31 AM // 04:31

What's to stop guilds from just syncing both sides and then letting their friends +150 them?
Also, when you cap all 7 shrines for 1 minute, it shoots your score to 500 (meaning you can win +150 by skipping to 500), so it would be possible for synced guilds to get 12 strongboxes every 2 minutes (taking into account waiting time before and in mission) for every instance that they sync. A 96 person guild could sync 4 instances and get 48 strongboxes in 2 minutes.

Reverend Dr · Jun 12, 2011, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

everybody will play that and nobody will play JQ.

Problem?

Yes one type of faction farming is going to trump the others. Might as well give it to the format that is least likely plagued by AFK farmers and requires actual team formation.

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

What's to stop guilds from just syncing both sides and then letting their friends +150 them?.

A 96 person guild could sync 4 instances and get 48 strongboxes in 2 minutes.

I'm going to say the match selection process which doesn't include rank and instead just whoever is there.

A 96 person guild...

RedDog91 · Jun 12, 2011, 04:55 AM // 04:55

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

I'm going to say the match selection process which doesn't include rank and instead just whoever is there.

A large enough guild can has a much better chance of getting in that the few random people scattered through the town.

Quote:

A 96 person guild...

96 people is the minimum needed to have 12v12 four times at once.

Kunder · Jun 12, 2011, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Like the idea. Perhaps some kind of extra boost for when you fight at a disadvantage to encourage more people to play then? i.e., lets say if you are mildly disadvantaged then any win gives you 1 strong box, and if your are highly disadvantaged then winning gives +1 and winning by 150 gives another +1?

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

No matter what, one form of faction farm is going to be the most efficient and then everybody will do that.

Sure, AB probablly needs more faction, but if you increase that to the point of it giving you the most, everybody will play that and nobody will play JQ.

I kinda like the OP's suggestion just cause it offers incentives without pulling people away from JQ. There is a tradeoff, rather then just making one option obviously worse. People can choose to get strongboxes in AB or slightly more faction in JQ.

Srsly.

JQ/FA gives 25% less faction so no one plays it? OK, just buff JQ/FA faction by 50% and everything will be fine.

6 months later:

AB gives 25% less faction than JQ/FA, OMG NO ONE PLAYS HALP! Fine, lets buff AB by 50% and maybe people will quit whining.

This cycle has repeated before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDog91

What's to stop guilds from just syncing both sides and then letting their friends +150 them?
Also, when you cap all 7 shrines for 1 minute, it shoots your score to 500 (meaning you can win +150 by skipping to 500), so it would be possible for synced guilds to get 12 strongboxes every 2 minutes (taking into account waiting time before and in mission) for every instance that they sync. A 96 person guild could sync 4 instances and get 48 strongboxes in 2 minutes.

Monumental effort for a relatively low payoff per person. Even still, you could easily add some kind of restriction along the lines of only giving the strongbox if the other team scored at least 100 points.

Reverend Dr · Jun 12, 2011, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

96 people is the minimum needed to have 12v12 four times at once.

I'm talking about the absurdity of that happening.

I mean yes if more than 4 times the number of people that ever show up for an arena suddenly show up with intentions to sync, some sync is going to happen. In the meantime, I would like to get an AB match this hour, but probably won't.

Missing HB · Jun 12, 2011, 07:00 AM // 07:00

/signed , probably more people would play AB then... Today , even less people are in AB because they added boxes in RA/CA/GvG....

Swingline · Jun 12, 2011, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Strongboxes ruined pvp so what makes you think it won't ruin AB in some way?

To fix the faction problem you have to force people to play AB unfortunately by only giving faction for VQs the first time.

Our Virus · Jun 12, 2011, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Yea AB should have strongboxes. While we are at it, I think there should be strongboxes dropped by every monster in PVE and have a 100% drop rate.

Master Ketsu · Jun 13, 2011, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Our Virus

Yea AB should have strongboxes. While we are at it, I think there should be strongboxes dropped by every monster in PVE and have a 100% drop rate.

This analogy isn't as effective as you think.

Fabbles · Jun 14, 2011, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Would rather see AB's faction reward get buffed, but I'm in support of anything that would get AB rolling again.

Our Virus · Jun 14, 2011, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

This analogy isn't as effective as you think.

....
What is sarcasm?

FoxBat · Jun 14, 2011, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Our Virus

....
What is sarcasm?

I think he got that. Slippery slope still isn't a valid argument.

Anyway faction rewards seem to have enough value to the population that strongboxes aren't needed. Making strongboxes more common will devalue them as well. The faction rewards ought to eclipse JQ given the time investment in forming teams and the occasional need to actually fight players instead of just farming NPCs.