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Canthas Monk · Nov 18, 2011, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

And your logic is quite fail as well, it amounts to, "I don't agree, I'm not sure why, but I'll refrain from engaging in constructive debate, and instead call anyone who disagrees lazy and bored."

And I'm not mad, just amazed really how you fail to answer the questions put forth yet continue to post nonsense.

Again, I'll ask:

How does the option for a paid profession change in any way affect your gameplay experience?

How does not having enough time to "main" two or more characters constitute being lazy, given the fact that the average player will both be unable to complete all content in one weekend (probably impossible anyway) AND has r/l obligations precluding the possibility?

Its ANet's job to make a fun game. Adding an option that adds to the experience while creating ZERO negatives is a no-brainer.

By that logic, I want an option to buy Miniature Kanaxai's from the in game store.

A] Does it affect your gameplay experience? I think no little boy.

B] If you don't have enough time to play, that's not a good enough excuse to be able to buy everything with real money. "I don't have enough free time to play GW, so I deserve to be able to buy in game rewards/changes with real money" really is a pathetic, arrogant [and noob] attitude.

C] Play the game like everyone else and stop crying when you can't get your own way. Like this game isn't easy enough as it is.

Showtime · Nov 18, 2011, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Actually I change my mind. Threads like these are why they wont remove grind from this game. They can make money from people's frustration.

It's cool d3 is coming.

lorazcyk · Nov 18, 2011, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Canthas Monk

By that logic, I want an option to buy Miniature Kanaxai's from the in game store.

Nothing stopping you from making your own thread in Sardelac Sanitarium. Go right ahead? I'll come by and check it out.

But you did not reply to the post above!

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How does the option for a paid profession change in any way affect your gameplay experience?

PurpleFission · Nov 18, 2011, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Dont be a butt and make a new profession.

Canthas Monk · Nov 18, 2011, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

But you did not reply to the post above!

How does the option for a paid profession change in any way affect your gameplay experience?

Please don't say you're relying on that as your argument for this.

So basically. I can say. How does the option to buy r12 Champ on the in game store in any way affect your gameplay experience? I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Does that make it ok? Because I don't have enough time or skill to actually work for it. That is basically your argument. So let me know when you have a valid reason for this option k?

But you only really want this option because as you said your bf plays gw once a month and can't make money as a ranger, seriously what a joke lol...

Amnel Ithtirsol · Nov 18, 2011, 05:39 AM // 05:39

Why would you compare rare minipets or PvP titles to this? For a rare mini you have to power trade for months in order to afford it. For titles... lets not even go there. Changing primary profession on your toon does not give you any advantage other than making the game a bit more interesting for those who are working on things for their HoMs but dont have the additional time to level another character.

And it will generate additional income for Anet. Win win.

il Priscilla il · Nov 18, 2011, 05:43 AM // 05:43

Agreed, the comparison of in game items and titles is straw man. There is no "tangible" gain to the prof change, nor is it a maxed pvp title that takes ages to acquire.

lorazcyk · Nov 18, 2011, 06:18 AM // 06:18

You gain NOTHING. You would have to pay for skills. You would have to pay for armor and weapons. Assuming they make it a requirement to be lvl 20 and Ascended, you have already done most of the work. No one hands you anything in a silver plater.

You can't sell your character to other people for a lot of cash like a mini kanaxai.
Your character will not get a title to fool others into letting him into top guilds / teams.

PvE enemies don't give a shit about you, so they don't care if you're ranger or warrior. Trust me, they won't complain.

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But you only really want this option because as you said your bf plays gw once a month and can't make money as a ranger, seriously what a joke lol...

Believe me, he's doing quite well. He's also got other characters he could use for making money, if he ever needed to.

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But you did not reply to the post above!

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How does the option for a paid profession change in any way affect your gameplay experience?

Are you going to answer?

cormac ap dunn · Nov 18, 2011, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

And your logic is quite fail as well, it amounts to, "I don't agree, I'm not sure why, but I'll refrain from engaging in constructive debate, and instead call anyone who disagrees lazy and bored."

And I'm not mad, just amazed really how you fail to answer the questions put forth yet continue to post nonsense.

Again, I'll ask:

How does the option for a paid profession change in any way affect your gameplay experience?

How does not having enough time to "main" two or more characters constitute being lazy, given the fact that the average player will both be unable to complete all content in one weekend (probably impossible anyway) AND has r/l obligations precluding the possibility?

Its ANet's job to make a fun game. Adding an option that adds to the experience while creating ZERO negatives is a no-brainer.

well apparently you don't bother to read the entire statement made by the OP. Its directly about being lazy AND bored. As far as having reasons , it appears you don't completely read anything. go back to all my posts read my reasons, complain less, and absorb more. Pretty sure that the people that want this take the lazy thing as far as reading comprehension.
I'm really not sure how many reasons it takes to get through to the unreasonable, but it seems to be none.

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

You gain NOTHING. You would have to pay for skills. You would have to pay for armor and weapons. Assuming they make it a requirement to be lvl 20 and Ascended, you have already done most of the work. No one hands you anything in a silver plater.

You can't sell your character to other people for a lot of cash like a mini kanaxai.
Your character will not get a title to fool others into letting him into top guilds / teams.

PvE enemies don't give a shit about you, so they don't care if you're ranger or warrior. Trust me, they won't complain.

Believe me, he's doing quite well. He's also got other characters he could use for making money, if he ever needed to.

Are you going to answer?

I doubt any answer will satisfy you, at current rate, every answer given that doesn't match yours , you choose to ignore. Meh, can you blame anyone for ignoring your request for the answer given about 50 times directly in response to you?

mrseasonalt · Nov 18, 2011, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Tjal Lee

You all make very valid arguments and points which I take into consideration, but tell me this, when they day comes and you're playing a different primary profession which you very much enjoy and it suddenly hits you that you have to spend all this time again on this character to do everything all over again.

Do you want to fill up you're HoM again with Tormented weapons?
Do you want to pay another set of mini's?
Do you want to grind everything all over again? I'm not just talking about titles but also locations and WiK progress and WoC?

This has nothing to do with being lazy or being bored, from the very start of this game you could change you're secondary profession. How is paying to change you're primary such a bad idea? Especially in this game?

This. Has. Got. To. Be. The. Dumbest. Thing. I've. Ever. Heard.

1. Why would you fill your hall with torment weapons?
2. Why would you fill the hall on more than one character thats stupid and useless.
3.Why would you grind everything out again. People keep saying Ohh man if I make a new character Ill have to vanquish these zones map all these areas get all these consumable titles..... WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IT ON ONE CHARACTER. I HAVE GWAMM ON 1 CHARACTER THEN THE REST DONT HAVE CRAP FOR TITLES. I get my other characters to the places I want them(say ToA or DoA) then I dont bother with any titles whatsoever because the only tangible reward for titles is account wide...the hom. Stop making titles as an excuse for this its sooooooo stupid. I have 8 characters(I didnt want to shell out another 20$ for 2 more) I make a new character and Im done getting it all that I need in a few days at most. It literally takes like a couple hours to get through nightfall and that campaign takes the longest.
For the eotn/lb/ss/kurz/luxon titles that boost skills the boosts are hardly anything to brag about. And they are the one reason for why grinding things is a good thing. They give you an advantage over another player because you took the time to do something they did not.

Whoever made the comment about Elite skills.... thats stupid also. Noone cares about warrior skills on a necro if they already have a gwamm. I guarantee you probably only use maybe 1/8 of the elite skills FOR YOUR PRIMARY PROFFESION. Also theres these new things called skill tomes which let you not have to go cap them. You get the elite skills you are actually going to use and dont bother with the rest.

I completely disagree that this would somehow provide some kind of advantage over other players because yes you already did do the work once so you are paying to just transfer them to a new character. BUT. AND THIS IS A HUGE BUT. That doesnt change the fact that it would be completely counter intuitive to transform one character to another profession. If you want to play a monk but have a warrior with gwamm you would now have a monk but no warrior. Dont you think if youve played a warrior for all that time that you will still find a use/have a desire to play a warrior again at some point. The only way to do this would be to.... wait..... MAKE A NEW CHARACTER. Which you could have just done by making a new monk and not had to spend money for nothing.

Once again....... Theres a reason you cant do this in other games.

Amy Awien · Nov 18, 2011, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Major advantage being TIME.

You forgot 'more fun', that's another major advantage.

Anyway, I can imagine one can get get bored with a primary and not have enough time to play a new character to the same level in HoM and then to max, and I don't see any advantages over others. I assume skills and equipment will still have to be bought for the new primary, so there's a minor cost in work and time.

/signed

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Its ANet's job to make a fun game. Adding an option that adds to the experience while creating ZERO negatives is a no-brainer.

Just QFT.

cormac ap dunn · Nov 18, 2011, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

You forgot 'more fun', that's another major advantage.

Anyway, I can imagine one can get get bored with a primary and not have enough time to play a new character to the same level in HoM and then to max, and I don't see any advantages over others. I assume skills and equipment will still have to be bought for the new primary, so there's a minor cost in work and time.

/signed

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Just QFT.

In case you missed it Anet DID make a fun game. People pushing for this option think it isn't fun anymore, ANET did their jobs, they already have your money, if you are bored, and you want a different class, well, they gave you multiple slots. Less time working on catering to a small group means more time working on content, so that same group won't whine when that GWAMM they get bored with again in hours/days/weeks has something to do. Anets biggest mistake thus far has been caving every time a select few whines or bellyaches that everything is too hard/boring/unfair. Once these kids get what they ask for, they learn to complain more. Its an endless cycle. You know what a parent that caves to a whiney child is? I'm certain to the group supporting this it would be unrecognizable. The rest of us recognize these enablers by their screeching brats always in tow, and always being coddled. The same spoiled little brats we all want to tell to shut it, well, these whiney folks are the results. I think at this point its time you all L2P or GTFO. stop begging for change, its no ones fault you are bad at the game, bored with the game, or feel you deserve anything except your own. Don't make the rest of us pay with less updates to real game content so you can catch up to competent players who actually have no problems with any of this. Funny that these folks whine so they don't have to work for anything. Frankly, God forbid this ever even be thought about being added, I will dedicate more of my in game time to laughing at these sorry individuals for lacking the simple ability to play a game no one seems to remotely have an issue playing for 7 years. This sudden handicap in playing seems to be very related to a generation seemingly fixated on getting everything for nothing. Oh how disappointing your lives will be.

il Priscilla il · Nov 18, 2011, 01:05 PM // 13:05

And what game breaking content have they added? 7h teams... thats it.

You're rude and rash comments serve nothing more to fuel the fire, such is the life of trolls.

I'm not bored with the game, I want to play my MAIN character as much as I can, I don't have the need for alts other than to farm or to mule. Since it is infact a character that I have had since GW release. I'll continue to play it whether or not they implement this, despite what your accusations straw man over, the FACT is, I'd pay ANET my cold hard $$$ to support THEIR endeavors, since they graciously support mine.

That's why I payed to have an advantage through merc slots, and an advantage through 12 character slots across 3 accounts. So I think I've payed my dues.

Making every one out to be ungrateful whiny children is nothing short of childish yourself. You don't know us, you don't know our motives, and you certainly don't know the extent of how we play our games. Stop kidding yourself, pun intended ;]

Kaleban · Nov 18, 2011, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Canthas Monk

By that logic, I want an option to buy Miniature Kanaxai's from the in game store.

A] Does it affect your gameplay experience? I think no little boy.

B] If you don't have enough time to play, that's not a good enough excuse to be able to buy everything with real money. "I don't have enough free time to play GW, so I deserve to be able to buy in game rewards/changes with real money" really is a pathetic, arrogant [and noob] attitude.

C] Play the game like everyone else and stop crying when you can't get your own way. Like this game isn't easy enough as it is.

Right, ok. Totally not the same logic, but ok.

A - It does affect gameplay in two ways. One, minis are a tradeable commodity between players, hence you have the trading game that many people enjoy. Two, allowing people to buy a commodity for real money would destabilize the entire game economy, making things like material prices crazy, armor unable to be crafted, etc., etc. So no, you're wrong. Deal.

B - A paid profession change is different from a paid name change how? Or a skill unlock pack, or pet unlock pack, or makeover, or any of the extras you can buy in the store? Mercenaries even? Are you actually claiming that ANet is pathetic, arrogant and composed entirely of noobs?

C - Everyone plays their own way. I fail to see how allowing someone to change their primary profession via in-store transaction will make the game any easier or more difficult. Changing your primary from a Monk to Necromancer isn't an instant "I WIN" button, nor does it confer automatic Heroes' Ascent mastery.

Again, both you and a few others dance around the issue and call it laziness, failing to take into account that the vast majority of gamers have these things called real lives which preclude them from spending every waking moment on eight separate characters on one game.

So, yet again, answer this question:

HOW DOES SOMEONE ELSE BUYING A PRIMARY PROFESSION CHANGE INTERFERE WITH YOUR PERSONAL GAMING EXPERIENCE???

The Drunkard · Nov 18, 2011, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Stop feeding the trolls. Until a mod cleans this thread up, it's going to be the same people posting their +1 "stop being lazy" post again and again.

JONO51 · Nov 18, 2011, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Oh look, another cormac ap dunn post where he has no idea what hes talking about...

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

In case you missed it Anet DID make a fun game. People pushing for this option think it isn't fun anymore, ANET did their jobs, they already have your money, if you are bored, and you want a different class, well, they gave you multiple slots. Less time working on catering to a small group means more time working on content, so that same group won't whine when that GWAMM they get bored with again in hours/days/weeks has something to do.

Except the people who are willing to buy shit in the store are the ones keeping the game up and new content coming...

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Anets biggest mistake thus far has been caving every time a select few whines or bellyaches that everything is too hard/boring/unfair. Once these kids get what they ask for, they learn to complain more. Its an endless cycle. You know what a parent that caves to a whiney child is? I'm certain to the group supporting this it would be unrecognizable. The rest of us recognize these enablers by their screeching brats always in tow, and always being coddled. The same spoiled little brats we all want to tell to shut it, well, these whiney folks are the results. I think at this point its time you all L2P or GTFO. stop begging for change, its no ones fault you are bad at the game, bored with the game, or feel you deserve anything except your own.

blah blah blah everyone is a kid blah blah. More pointless drivel.

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Don't make the rest of us pay with less updates to real game content so you can catch up to competent players who actually have no problems with any of this.

Except you aren't paying, for anything...

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Funny that these folks whine so they don't have to work for anything. Frankly, God forbid this ever even be thought about being added, I will dedicate more of my in game time to laughing at these sorry individuals for lacking the simple ability to play a game no one seems to remotely have an issue playing for 7 years. This sudden handicap in playing seems to be very related to a generation seemingly fixated on getting everything for nothing. Oh how disappointing your lives will be.

Work is an important part of any game. O wait. People have already put in the work, god forbid they want to have fun and subsidize YOUR free content. But nope lazy spoiled brats blah blah.

You honestly have no idea about what you're talking about across the 6 pages of this thread. You can't read basic comments. You spout out ridiculous things like "Lets not even begin to think of major skill changes effecting this..." when you clearly have no idea how this game works. When things don't go your way you fall back on the old "if I scream it loud enough, it'll be true". Well, it isn't. Its about time you off the soapbox and went back into the corner.

cormac ap dunn · Nov 19, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by JONO51

Oh look, another cormac ap dunn post where he has no idea what hes talking about...

Except the people who are willing to buy shit in the store are the ones keeping the game up and new content coming...

blah blah blah everyone is a kid blah blah. More pointless drivel.

Except you aren't paying, for anything...

Work is an important part of any game. O wait. People have already put in the work, god forbid they want to have fun and subsidize YOUR free content. But nope lazy spoiled brats blah blah.

You honestly have no idea about what you're talking about across the 6 pages of this thread. You can't read basic comments. You spout out ridiculous things like "Lets not even begin to think of major skill changes effecting this..." when you clearly have no idea how this game works. When things don't go your way you fall back on the old "if I scream it loud enough, it'll be true". Well, it isn't. Its about time you off the soapbox and went back into the corner.

LOL... Apparently I made someone a wee bit upset. Sorry we have different opinions, but I guess you just learned an important lesson about public forums, they are about debate and opinion. I'm debating that this change panders to bad players (lazy,no ability to play, insistent on the world being handed to them.) which directly has an impact on the game environment I enjoy. My opinion is that the attitude of said players on general already ruins a great deal of the game. And now I have a very fun opinion of you.

As far as my opinion, you really don't have to like it. As a matter of fact I've already stated that the type of person generally railing behind this would react, well, just like you. A bit of whining, a load of foot stomping, generally ignoring everything said that counters them getting their way. So thanks for living up to expectations. As far as implementing a poorly thought, unrealistic demand such as the one listed in this thread I'm more then confident that we are all safe from such a thing ever happening.

Let the butt-hurt commence!

lorazcyk · Nov 19, 2011, 04:03 AM // 04:03

You're not debating anything, you're just saying things without explaining them.
Debating is not just a matter of sputtering random things.

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My opinion is that the attitude of said players on general already ruins a great deal of the game. As far as my opinion, you really don't have to like it.

Opinion is nothing, nothing whatsoever, unless you explain why you feel that way.

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which directly has an impact on the game environment I enjoy.

How does me changing a ranger to a warrior affect your PvE game play? You have not answered.

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generally ignoring everything said that counters them getting their way.

You have not offered counters, you have only said you are right because you think you are. Therefore, why not explain why you think you're right? Then maybe we would understand. Perhaps we would come to agree with you if we understood why you think the way you do.

THAT is what debate is about.

Test question:
Only one argument has been given against this suggestion. I know what it was. Can you tell me what argument was it?

cormac ap dunn · Nov 19, 2011, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

You're not debating anything, you're just saying things without explaining them.
Debating is not just a matter of sputtering random things.
Opinion is nothing, nothing whatsoever, unless you explain why you feel that way.

How does me changing a ranger to a warrior affect your PvE game play? You have not answered.
You have not offered counters, you have only said you are right because you think you are. Therefore, why not explain why you think you're right? Then maybe we would understand. Perhaps we would come to agree with you if we understood why you think the way you do.

THAT is what debate is about.

Test question:
Only one argument has been given against this suggestion. I know what it was. Can you tell me what argument was it?

Trick question, you are delusional and don,t see any argument made against it.

So to recap all the counter points one more time so you can see them... Paying for a change of primary is akin to paying to shortcut the multiple character slot design of guild wars. Being lazy is no excuse for not playing the game as intended. Boredom is no excuse for not playing the game as intended. People whining to get their way is both annoying and petty. Resources required to give a few lazy/bored people a shortcut takes away from actual game content being added by the devs needed to make rhese changes. Multiclassing wasn't intended to be" play every class on one character". Multiple game mechanics would need to be restructured just to make a few people happy, yet again stopping the devs from working on content changes, projects in transition, or in the works.Shall I continue? There are actually several more points, if you want them all please reread all the posts. Also asking a question every time someone makes a point makes you seem vapid at best. This post has gone on page after page and you seem to think there has only been one argument against it? Are you seriously even reading anything? Test question for you: Do you even understand what a response is? It would seem that you think it's answering posts with more questions. Just so you understand, it really doesn't make your posts seem relevant, nor does it make you seem as though you have some grand reason for asking(i.e. if I ask a question at the end perhaps I will seem witty as if trapping someone into an answer) It just makes you seem clueless. On a personal note Using bold text in a question makes your point seem silly, and you don't get extra points for using it!

Amy Awien · Nov 19, 2011, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

In case you missed it Anet DID make a fun game. People pushing for this option think it isn't fun anymore, ANET did their jobs, they already have your money, ...

ANet's management can think for themselves and don't need us to look after their interests.

Time as an advantage is an absurd proposition, as is the rest of your posts, and we haven't even mentioned your trolling and abundant abuse of personal attacks.

Goodbye.