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cormac ap dunn · Nov 14, 2011, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by Showtime

How'd you earn your titles? Did you do any faction fast faction farming, wurms, speedbooking?

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Speed booking is how lots of people max their titles. FFF was the main way of getting kurz/lux titles maxed. Its sad that people were forced to grind it out or paid for titles. 100's of wurm runs etc are really lame imo especially since it's only to raise their pve skills level. Not like you can lose at any mish or run. It's mindless. A monkey could be trained to do it.

Decision makers at arenanet dont get it. They want to see how many hoops they can make us jump thru to keep people playing instead making the game fun. THEY SAID NO GRIND AND THAT'S ALL THEY GAVE US. That's why the OP is willing to shell out 10 bucks to change his main.

I'd like to see titles get maxed in the natural course of the game. NM/HM finish all quests and missions = maxed titles. It would encourage people to make new toons and get them quickly up to speed. Is this a bad idea? It would still take time and effort, but not nearly the grind.

I couldn't work at arenanet cuz I would have got fired when they said things like 10 million factions, 10,000 minutes, and other excessive bs grind. I'd have asked... and why again are we RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing our customers and then been fired.

And how long do you think people would have played this game if they got everything as soon as they beat the campaigns? That's right, you actually have to make achievements exactly that! An Achievement not just a reward for completion of regular content. Titles were designed to let the player feel as though they did something that required an investment in the game, and thus a reason to come back. You are certainly right about getting fired, frankly, any company that wants a returning player base wants you to have a reason to play. Part of the success of GW is that we all had a reason to come back. And here we are 7 years later still playing. Play virtually any other game and come back to me and tell me that this one is a grind. I promise you would be singing a different tune.

Showtime · Nov 14, 2011, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

And how long do you think people would have played this game if they got everything as soon as they beat the campaigns? That's right, you actually have to make achievements exactly that! An Achievement not just a reward for completion of regular content. Titles were designed to let the player feel as though they did something that required an investment in the game, and thus a reason to come back. You are certainly right about getting fired, frankly, any company that wants a returning player base wants you to have a reason to play. Part of the success of GW is that we all had a reason to come back. And here we are 7 years later still playing. Play virtually any other game and come back to me and tell me that this one is a grind. I promise you would be singing a different tune.

i made my avatar in protest of the 10k minutes drunkard title. what happened to that? do you have that title too? do it b4 or after update?

yeah i'd have gotten fired and then they'd have changed it and thought we shoulda just listened to him from the get-go.

cormac ap dunn · Nov 14, 2011, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Showtime

i made my avatar in protest of the 10k minutes drunkard title. what happened to that? do you have that title too? do it b4 or after update?

yeah i'd have gotten fired and then they'd have changed it and thought we shoulda just listened to him from the get-go.

Out of curiosity, did you farm any of your own drunkard points? sweet tooth? party animal? Do you think that perhaps as a reward for completing a campaign you be given 3,333 points in each? see my point? If you have ever done a single thing in this game repeatedly , be it farming points, items or gold, by the logic you applied, that's grinding. And yet, I would wager wood planks to ectos that you have farmed something, without complaining of a grind, when you received a reward for it. One mans grind is another mans game-play. Tonics, Titles, Minipets, Dyes, Weapon Skins, all those things are what drive gameplay. Give everyone a Mini Dhuum, and guess what? Everyone would say they were useless, crappy, terrible looking. Take all but 3 out of the game, and the majority of people would view them as the single greatest thing placed in any game ever... Give every monk a set of Obby( guess thats almost accurate anyway) and people would throw it away. Give everyone a maxed set of titles for faction, merely by completing Factions, and people would laugh at anyone displaying it.

Canthas Monk · Nov 14, 2011, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Superbad idea that completely defeats creating new characters and playing the game, let a lone it being impossible anyway, keep dreaming though.

DoomFrost · Nov 14, 2011, 10:44 AM // 10:44

If such a thing were to happen I'd imagine you'd be kicked to the character creation screen to recreate your characters look, any armor you'd be wearing would be moved to your inventory, and you'd be given basic armor that would pertain to your level. But I have no idea how hard it would be to code or if it were even doable.

Dewshine Wildclaw · Nov 14, 2011, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Actually I got my titles almost just through normal gameplay. See I did not need to max the eotn rep titles before I had finished master of the north. By the time I was legendary master of the north.... guess what... rep titles done too. Might have filled one extra book, nothing more.
Same with LB and SS, no reason to max them before I had vanquisher and guardian, finished those and those were pretty much maxed too.
Survivor was a little bit grind, but I lessened the grindy feel by doing different things (fow, zaishen quests and books)
Sweet, party and drunk did require farming, but limiting it to event times made it less grindy too. And yes I got drunkard before the update, and actually liked it, no regret whatsoever although I finished mere days before the change.
So it is really not that much more grind than what you make it to be.

On topic... I'm not sure about how it would work, most likely it is not going to happen ever. Would not use it either as I already made a character of each profession. I can sortof see where you are coming from and it could be done in an interesting way with a 'lifechaging' quest. I would not be 100% against this. But I do find it very unlikely to happen and not at all necessary.

lorazcyk · Nov 14, 2011, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I think some people are over-thinking this.

Not everyone plays from 7 AM to 11 PM, you know. Some of us play for a couple hours each week, if we're L-U-C-K-Y. So when you have to consolidate all your titles into one character, trust me, that character ends up getting really, really boring. It doesn't matter if it's ranger, mesmer, monk, that profession will become boring.

I /sign this idea.
I don't think it would too bad. 15 dollars sounds reasonable, I think some of us are that desperate. So desperate, we won't mind if,
* Your armor goes to your inventory, and you are given the beginner's armor in the smallest rating.
* You keep all your current skills, your primary becomes your secondary, and you get the beginner skills for that profession. Heck, you can even get a beginner's weapon, I guess.
* Your character gets the equivalent look (hair style #2, hair color #6, face #2, skin color #5, same height and gender), and it defaults to #1 where there is no match.
If you want a different look, you can shell out the money for that.

Why are some people so threatened by this idea? How does it even hurt YOU?

cormac ap dunn · Nov 14, 2011, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

I think some people are over-thinking this.

Not everyone plays from 7 AM to 11 PM, you know. Some of us play for a couple hours each week, if we're L-U-C-K-Y. So when you have to consolidate all your titles into one character, trust me, that character ends up getting really, really boring. It doesn't matter if it's ranger, mesmer, monk, that profession will become boring.

I /sign this idea.
I don't think it would too bad. 15 dollars sounds reasonable, I think some of us are that desperate. So desperate, we won't mind if,
* Your armor goes to your inventory, and you are given the beginner's armor in the smallest rating.
* You keep all your current skills, your primary becomes your secondary, and you get the beginner skills for that profession. Heck, you can even get a beginner's weapon, I guess.
* Your character gets the equivalent look (hair style #2, hair color #6, face #2, skin color #5, same height and gender), and it defaults to #1 where there is no match.
If you want a different look, you can shell out the money for that.

Why are some people so threatened by this idea? How does it even hurt YOU?

Lets start with something minor, shall we? Say you get your character with all its titles. Boredom sets in and you decide to go to ToA for some low pressure fun, but OOPS no favor, why? People stop getting titles, guess we better ask for the devs to code in some favor. Its ok, there is always something else to do right? I mean its boredom that got you the new class right? Lets do DoA on your freshly rolled character shall we? lets waltz in with our new character and join a group doing FR. Everyone gets going and OOPS your on your face doing the dirty dirty with the soil, Why? You haven't learned a thing about the class you just rolled, and thus can't play it as proficiently as someone who actually played the class to that point in the game. But but but, Anet should make those areas easier, because i just paid cash to get this leet new character to the point in the game its never been before! Heres how this should play out, and tell me if you think this sounds reasonable,k?
you get your titles to carry over , EXCEPT no skills, no armor, 0 skill points, a complete wipe of all areas you have been on the original character,0 earned PvE only skills(remember its just titles you get) just some HoM points that would be there for GW2 without having to remove the original character to begin with

Does the OP realize that all those titles are still in your account wether you can wear them or not?

mrseasonalt · Nov 14, 2011, 02:57 PM // 14:57

This thread is useless everyone that wants this to pass just wants to be able to display titles on a character that didn't actually get those titles. Please start a new thread asking for what you actually want(account wide titles) instead of a paid primary profession change.

lorazcyk · Nov 14, 2011, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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This thread is useless everyone that wants this to pass just wants to be able to display titles on a character that didn't actually get those titles.

This isn't the account-wide-titles thread, it's the profession change thread

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Lets start with something minor, shall we? Say you get your character with all its titles.

Well, I've been playing almost six years, and I don't even have a character with all titles :-) I'm finally working on Protector and Guardian titles! But... once I have all the titles I want, on that one character, I'll probably quit. I want the titles for HoM, not to brag about my lack of life. If I really wanted to brag about having no life, then I SUPPOSE I might do all titles with all characters.

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Boredom sets in and you decide to go to ToA for some low pressure fun, but OOPS no favor, why? People stop getting titles, guess we better ask for the devs to code in some favor. Its ok, there is always something else to do right? I mean its boredom that got you the new class right?

Eventually anet will change how favor works. They'll have no choice. Are people out there really maxing titles on all characters? Really? How about going outside for fresh air? I have all the character slots, and none of my non-main characters have max titles, besides my elementalist, with whom I grinded Sunspear and Lightbringer. And I will NEVER do that again.

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Lets do DoA on your freshly rolled character shall we? lets waltz in with our new character and join a group doing FR. Everyone gets going and OOPS your on your face doing the dirty dirty with the soil, Why? You haven't learned a thing about the class you just rolled, and thus can't play it as proficiently as someone who actually played the class to that point in the game.

Well, then go and learn your new character before going to elite areas. No one is stopping you.

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But but but, Anet should make those areas easier, because i just paid cash to get this leet new character to the point in the game its never been before! Heres how this should play out, and tell me if you think this sounds reasonable,k?

This has nothing to do with the topic. If you're a gimme-gimme whiny baby, that's your problem.

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you get your titles to carry over , EXCEPT no skills, no armor, 0 skill points, a complete wipe of all areas you have been on the original character,0 earned PvE only skills(remember its just titles you get) just some HoM points that would be there for GW2 without having to remove the original character to begin with

OK. As long as the titles transfer even if they are not already maxed. I'm assuming the quests and missions would be wiped fresh too. That sounds good to me because I can keep working on my titles with a new profession.

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Does the OP realize that all those titles are still in your account wether you can wear them or not?

You mean if you delete the character? Not if the titles aren't maxed yet.

Not A Standard Name · Nov 14, 2011, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Showtime

How'd you earn your titles? Did you do any faction fast faction farming, wurms, speedbooking?

GRINDING 101:
Speed booking is how lots of people max their titles. FFF was the main way of getting kurz/lux titles maxed. Its sad that people were forced to grind it out or paid for titles. 100's of wurm runs etc are really lame imo especially since it's only to raise their pve skills level. Not like you can lose at any mish or run. It's mindless. A monkey could be trained to do it.

Decision makers at arenanet dont get it. They want to see how many hoops they can make us jump thru to keep people playing instead making the game fun. THEY SAID NO GRIND AND THAT'S ALL THEY GAVE US. That's why the OP is willing to shell out 10 bucks to change his main.

I'd like to see titles get maxed in the natural course of the game. NM/HM finish all quests and missions = maxed titles. It would encourage people to make new toons and get them quickly up to speed. Is this a bad idea? It would still take time and effort, but not nearly the grind.

I couldn't work at arenanet cuz I would have got fired when they said things like 10 million factions, 10,000 minutes, and other excessive bs grind. I'd have asked... and why again are we RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing our customers and then been fired.

I agree completely. I don't actually have a problem with humans lowering themselves to mindless machines, but why did they have to make titles make skills stronger and add absurd amounts of expensive consumable buffs? There is no fairness left in PvE - exactly the opposite of what they promised!

Maya Cerestiez · Nov 14, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Soon people will be asking for the ability to by titles from the ingame store.
"Legendary Vanquisher for $25, maxed eotn ranks pack now only $29,99 for all 4!"

/unsigned

BettaDenU · Nov 14, 2011, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

There was a thread sometime ago where an individual asked for a PvE toon much like a PvP toon, where you make a character that has everything unlocked at level 20; towns , outposts, the like. His idea was that then he could try builds and farms without having to do anything to get to those places. This thread is essentially the exact same thing. As i recall that thread ended with a resounding /NOTSIGNED. OP, make a new character, If the titles are so important on your main, well, they aren't going anywhere. Here is the only option you have: PLAY THE GAME.
Want a title? Earn it, on THAT CHARACTER. Want all your elite armors? BUY THEM ON THAT CHARACTER. Too lazy to be bothered? PLAY ANOTHER GAME.
I think its about time these players that can't be bothered to do what the game was intended to do try something that works in their favor, PLAY SOMETHING YOU LIKE. Stop asking for a completely different game, save the time , the energy, and most of all valuable server space, and try something that fits what you are looking for. Innumerable games are going free to play, finding something that fits what you are looking for is way easier then asking for an overhaul of whats just fine in this one.
So that's a massive /notsigned

I respect your opinion to not sign, it's fine with me however i've been playing this game religiously from day one. The fact to the matter is that titles come with a bonus that makes you're character better.

Now I just hope that everyone understands that I do not feel like putting 8 straight hours of a specific farm to raise a title to it's maximum so my second character who needs the maxed title can get into groups again. That is after putting 8 hours of straight farming into the main character for the sake of him having the title so I can add it to HoM.

Making title's account wide would solve the problem too and it would make profession changing less of a priority but this way it's also benificial to ArenaNet (hence me suggesting it)

Paid Primary profession change would earn ArenaNet money whereas account based titles would be free of charge and should be included in an update.

Telling me to play a different game is a totally constructive post and comparing this idea to an instant level 20 PvE character is baffling to say the least because they cannot be compared. If i've already put all the effort into achieving everything there is to do on one character why would I have to do it all over again? It wouldn't give me a sense of accomplishment but more a feeling of duty and requirement rather than optional.

Paid primary profession feature would be completely optional, you want it? you pay for it. If you don't want it then don't buy it?

As for lore reasons NPC's have been known to change professions, Keiran Thackeray starts out as a playable Ranger (I verified this by doing the mini mission and bring out the atb menu and it shows Expertise at 20 which is a Ranger primary attribute) after you unlock him he is a Paragon.

Razah's primary profession can be changed whenever you want.

I do sincerely hope that from this point forward people have constructive critism rather than, oh its sucks so no...

I myself would be prepared to pay 20 maybe even 25 euro for a primary profession change and I think it a great deal of people would too. This idea wouldn't hurt anyone, it wouldnt buff or change anything the only thing that changes is your primary profession. Lose your old abilities and get new abilities, you can keep switching aslong as you pay nothing changes except for you're primary profession.

Dragons Avatar · Nov 14, 2011, 06:39 PM // 18:39

uhhh.. ok so lets say ur Ele is ur GWAMM.. but u get bored and decide to pay 15 bucks and turn it into a Ranger.. who will keep all the titles, armor, weapons etc etc.. how does this solve the "bored" issue??.. there still wouldnt be anything left to do....

Make some new chars.. it'll give u something to do..

i guess it's weird to /notsign it cause.. well i wouldnt be wasting my money so why would i give a damn right.. but uhh.. you got 8 slots dont you?? USE THEM!

cormac ap dunn · Nov 14, 2011, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Dragons Avatar

uhhh.. ok so lets say ur Ele is ur GWAMM.. but u get bored and decide to pay 15 bucks and turn it into a Ranger.. who will keep all the titles, armor, weapons etc etc.. how does this solve the "bored" issue??.. there still wouldnt be anything left to do....

Make some new chars.. it'll give u something to do..

i guess it's weird to /notsign it cause.. well i wouldnt be wasting my money so why would i give a damn right.. but uhh.. you got 8 slots dont you?? USE THEM!

This is exactly right. You have 8 slots, you have no need to make your main into an entirely different character. You have 7 hero slots ready to be filled if it's a question of difficulty getting through the game.

GhostKairi · Nov 14, 2011, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I would totally love a profession change. I love my ele, but god damn, im a warrior at heart, but there is no way i am doing Carto, forking out what, 100e per consum title (Still havent finished Drunkard! Like 6000 points in?) and various other tedious tasks such as FoW armor (If our armor didnt re roll too), not counting in that ive been through each campaign about 5 times at the very least. One day, on my monk who was at beginning of Nightfall, i decided i wanted Ancient Armor. I sat down for 8 hours (Terrabad, i know

) and got from Jewel to Bone Palace without skipping anything. I hate Nightfall...With a passion, from that day onwards.

The point im trying to get to is that you play a game for enjoyment and fun. Doing things youve done a million and one times (Exceptions to this in the real world, i guess :P ) is just not fun, especially after 6+ years. I doubt this would be implemented, and in all honesty, it'd be a bit stupid to buy it so close to Guild Wars 2 as you can just re roll in that xD But yeah, its a neat idea!

JONO51 · Nov 14, 2011, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Not gonna happen due to all the issues to overcome, but I'd have no problem with this. If you wanna spend $20 to change you primary go ahead, I don't give a shit. That money will hopefully go towards new content to play too, so its a win-win from my pov.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Lets start with something minor, shall we? Say you get your character with all its titles. Boredom sets in and you decide to go to ToA for some low pressure fun, but OOPS no favor, why? People stop getting titles, guess we better ask for the devs to code in some favor. Its ok, there is always something else to do right? I mean its boredom that got you the new class right?

1 - If hes bored of getting titles, he isn't going to go and get more because he cant change his primary. He'll quit. At least this way ANet gets some money to work with.
2 - That's going to happen anyway as time goes on. Scrolls exist.
3 - Everyone isn't immediately going to quit alts and drop $20 per character on 3 or 4 chars so they can have a "fresh" profession. This is catering to just one subset of players who are willing to drop cash so they can dick around with a class without having to grind the campaigns/pve skills etc.

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Lets do DoA on your freshly rolled character shall we? lets waltz in with our new character and join a group doing FR. Everyone gets going and OOPS your on your face doing the dirty dirty with the soil, Why? You haven't learned a thing about the class you just rolled, and thus can't play it as proficiently as someone who actually played the class to that point in the game.

Lol, because beating a pve campaign teaches you how to play? Get a grip. NM is easy, 7 heroes exist. Plenty of retarded people can beat NF. I mean, look at all the people who can't even 1234 the keyboard in glaive-way.

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But but but, Anet should make those areas easier, because i just paid cash to get this leet new character to the point in the game its never been before!

Heres how this should play out, and tell me if you think this sounds reasonable,k?
you get your titles to carry over , EXCEPT no skills, no armor, 0 skill points, a complete wipe of all areas you have been on the original character,0 earned PvE only skills(remember its just titles you get) just some HoM points that would be there for GW2 without having to remove the original character to begin with

Does the OP realize that all those titles are still in your account wether you can wear them or not?

Again, pve is easy. Beating games in NM or HM won't teach you shit. Otherwise all the leg vanqs would be top 100 gvg, yet there still plenty who run shit like Healing Breeze. Not only that, but if you're gonna drop $20 for a prof change, chances are you'll have sampled the profession prior in RA or w/e. Hell, even an afternoon of RA would teach you better than playing some NM pve.

BettaDenU · Nov 14, 2011, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Dragons Avatar

uhhh.. ok so lets say ur Ele is ur GWAMM.. but u get bored and decide to pay 15 bucks and turn it into a Ranger.. who will keep all the titles, armor, weapons etc etc.. how does this solve the "bored" issue??.. there still wouldnt be anything left to do....

Make some new chars.. it'll give u something to do..

i guess it's weird to /notsign it cause.. well i wouldnt be wasting my money so why would i give a damn right.. but uhh.. you got 8 slots dont you?? USE THEM!

It changes your gameplay, you can roll every secondary you want on your Warrior but your primary limits you to 2 pips of energy.
Changing your primary profession will open doors for everyone.

Also I have more than 8 slots and still im in need for more because I've purchased the mercenary pack which already takes in 3 of my slots.

I don't mind creating a new character I do mind doing everything all over again. If i'm going to play a new character thats the profession that I like to play I want to that profession to be my main.
It's beneficial for both ArenaNet and for the players. And if you're worried that suddenly because a Primary prof change is available to players that everyone starts to suck at that new prof they choose then really lol.

Elite area's take practice ofcourse but DoA took me 10 minutes of my time to learn how to do everything by watching youtube. Same goes for FoWSC, KathSC and SoOSC.

This idea is nothing more than a little bit of freedom to change your primary, it doesn't take anything away from the game, it doesn't make it harder or worse.

Also yes, favor will run out some time eventually have you given it any thought that when Guild Wars 2 hits people may stop playing GW massively and then who's going to gain favor to access UW and FoW?

gremlin · Nov 14, 2011, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Since this game is all but over for me I don't really care I have had a blast for five years and hope for the same or more in the next game I buy.
I suspect there is an advantage to swapping primary class to enable specific goals to be achieved easier and that this would make the game easier still.

Much is made of grinding for titles so let me comment that grinding for titles is purely a voluntary activity you cannot argue a game has grind unless you must grind to finish the basic game.
Titles and hard mode were requested by players so it seems a little mean spirited to ask for something then moan that it exists.

I do however believe that when it comes to the titles that grant powers that are by their nature are designed to make the defeat of a major adversary easier these powers should be at or near their peak when you finally engage in battle with that enemy.

To this end such titles should not have so many tiers 10 levels necessitating endless grind or finishing the game and doing the same in hard mode to get the title is plain silly.
You perform the task to get the power to defeat the enemy if the enemy is so mighty why would you go up against it with partial power with the world at stake.

mrseasonalt · Nov 15, 2011, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Elite area's take practice ofcourse but DoA took me 10 minutes of my time to learn how to do everything by watching youtube.

I totally believe that....

Once again the only argument people have for this is that they don't want to reroll a new character and get their titles again. It takes no time at all to push a character through a campaign so just make a new character and don't bother with meaningless titles that don't benefit you at all. Get the your cartograph/consumable/vanquisher/protector/gaurdian titles on one character and just push your other characters to where you want them.

p.s. I NEVER WANT TO SEE A PARAGON WITH AN LDOA TITLE RUNNING AROUND!!!