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cormac ap dunn · Dec 28, 2011, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Every game and i mean EVERY GAME has items exclusive to early adopters, those that show support and yes, they are exclusive. I beg you to find an MMO that doesn't have holiday exclusive items that are NOT available after said event. Its a part of showing support for your community and for the support they give you as a game dev. What has consistently happened in this thread is a few of the vocal minority wants to change that pretty hard fact (yes games do this ALL the time), for what appears to be any number of (no offence) whiny reasons. Yes Santa there is a 99% and it turns out they are actually the 1%, the 1% of people who are never satisfied but also completely incapable of doing the things that would make them happy to begin with. Well, my little slacker friends with your skinny jeans and ironic mustaches its time to bite hard reality. year in, year out, not everyone gets everything. show up this year and guess what? you won't be whining about this years hat next year, simple, effective and really your only solution. To the invariable "but there is no reason not to!!! So let me change everything about the game!!!!" guess what? Its only 4 days away, methinks you will be crying about not getting the proverbial "pony" under the tree. Maybe next year.

MithranArkanere · Dec 28, 2011, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Hats are not GW's 'early adopter items'. They "free seasonal festive vanity gear".

Preorder items are the "early adopter items".

But even with "early adopter items", many games release them too as DLCs so all can enjoy them later on.
Those that preorder just get them cheaper or for free in those cases, so those that get them late, have to pay more for missing them.

If you ask me, with games over 5 years old, is better to re-release everything so all the new players can enjoy it all.

enter_the_zone · Dec 28, 2011, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

What has consistently happened in this thread is a few of the vocal minority wants to change that pretty hard fact (yes games do this ALL the time), for what appears to be any number of (no offence) whiny reasons.

Actually, that "vocal minority" makes up about 50% of the thread in terms of signing or not signing. That's not to mention that guru is hardly the preserve of the casual players who would benefit most from the idea and probably buy it in droves.

I mainly like this idea because it's something that Arenanet could implement easily and it would, say, let them finish WoC instead of working on a new costume.

That said, it's just a hat. It'd be nice to have the option, but it's not like I'm bothered if they don't. I just don't get why anyone would be bothered if they do. Its cosmetic crap, who gives a shit?

ForgottenTamer · Dec 28, 2011, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Honestly I think a better idea would be to make it so the festival hats aren't customized. The result would be that those of us who were there and have the hats already would be able to give them out to people, or sell them.

Meaning those who were there and got them the 'hard' way wouldn't necessarily feel as 'ripped off' as if they just released them in the store so everyone could run around with our super rare santa hats.

All the new players whine about how they should be allowed to have them, and while I think there should be a way to get them, I don't think ANet should just throw the people who got the festival hats the hard way out in the snow as it were.

That said, people would probably try to get the Tengu mask too, which WAS a pre-order bonus for Factions, more or less, since only people who pre-ordered could get it.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Dec 29, 2011, 12:19 PM // 12:19

my idea about this is:

being able to get older hats by being there at the certain event it was from, and maybe some new quests to actually "being rewarded" at those events

as for the tengu mask, it could be the same, maybe just a repeatable event, so that everyone can see what happened and get the mask

make it an "event in the past" with the HoM pool you could go look into the past, similar to heart of the north, except for the solo-ing part plz, as i think people should be able to play together, maybe make it human only, so no hench or heroes, a true multiplayer event
dont even have to scale it, as it should be normal difficulty alone, and easier with others, so teaming may live on (or be resurrected imo)

or just hero-able, so that its solo, yet you can take it easy, which sounds more personal imo

then those who pre-ordered factions get some other special reward, like /bonusitems or such
(maybe headgear which lvls as you do, and has some kinda bonus on it... just ideas

)

note: i dont care much about that mask, but others may get it for their fun (whether its about having it or using it)
i also got the idea of dyeable mask for those who have the preordered factions, and non-dyeable for those who dont have it

may be some coding, but i doubt people are in a hurry with that, if they should make it like that

ps. this is just an idea for that special mask, the rest can be obtained at their original events

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 29, 2011, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by drok3n

Hanok,
Your only trying to fuel this dispute to furthermore this hidden agenda you seem to have to make guild wars bad. This, everyone needs a fair shot mentality is already annoying enough in real life. Lets not bring it to the games also. If little Timmy sucked at the race and came in fourth why the hell does he get a trophy too. I see this going on way to much and almost everyone giving in to this mentality. If you weren't' there to get it, You don't get it. Whatever happen to the term "be there or be square" or "you snooze you lose". I guess your generation was the one who must have had everything handed to them on a plate with a spoon and two forks. Every time someone misses out on something we don't need to introduce a new release specially for them. remember you cant miss what you never had.

Hidden Agenda? Really? I thought I made my support and reasons of this request quite clear. In terms of all the other stuff, this isn't really the place to debate those topics - we aren't talking about real life after all - just a game, and unless you are from the generation that participated in the War to end all Wars, you would loose the generational debate.

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snipit again

Showtime

Wow, is it getting warm in here? ...Oh wait, my heater just kicked in - sorry about that. Keep trying, perhaps one day you may be able to reach the coattails of the Flamers of the good ole days of the Interwebs.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Every game and i mean EVERY GAME has items exclusive to early adopters, those that show support and yes, they are exclusive. I beg you to find an MMO that doesn't have holiday exclusive items that are NOT available after said event. Its a part of showing support for your community and for the support they give you as a game dev. What has consistently happened in this thread is a few of the vocal minority wants to change that pretty hard fact (yes games do this ALL the time), for what appears to be any number of (no offence) whiny reasons. Yes Santa there is a 99% and it turns out they are actually the 1%, the 1% of people who are never satisfied but also completely incapable of doing the things that would make them happy to begin with. Well, my little slacker friends with your skinny jeans and ironic mustaches its time to bite hard reality. year in, year out, not everyone gets everything. show up this year and guess what? you won't be whining about this years hat next year, simple, effective and really your only solution. To the invariable "but there is no reason not to!!! So let me change everything about the game!!!!" guess what? Its only 4 days away, methinks you will be crying about not getting the proverbial "pony" under the tree. Maybe next year.

Where are you getting your figures from? I would like to see some documented facts to show that only 1% of the current player base would like to see Festival Hats added in with the Costumes as purchasable content.

Regardless, Times (and games) change as they age. As someone else mentioned, not all things remain exclusive in all games. I certainly didn't see a rulebook or governing law that says any game must keep items exclusive. It is certainly within the developer's rights to do so, but they certainly don't have to be tied to that position if they see both the bottom line and the player-base can benefit by removing the exclusivity of an item. The benefit to those early adopters - they don't have to pay for the item.

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Originally Posted by ForgottenTamer

Meaning those who were there and got them the 'hard' way wouldn't necessarily feel as 'ripped off' as if they just released them in the store so everyone could run around with our super rare santa hats.

All the new players whine about how they should be allowed to have them, and while I think there should be a way to get them, I don't think ANet should just throw the people who got the festival hats the hard way out in the snow as it were.

How is it "hard" exactly to log in and have your account afk for a day, let alone get "ripped off" when there was no cost involved in obtaining the item to begin with? Using that reasoning, the players who achieved LS and LDoA the original way really got screwed over.

Hanok

cormac ap dunn · Dec 29, 2011, 03:33 PM // 15:33

As I really don't see this post going any further than it already has, I will put my final 2 cents in on the topic. If as a player of this game, you cannot for any reason show up to the finale, to the trader, or even find a way to AFK, you have no business demanding a hat. This is the equivalent of saying that you missed a double faction weekend due to work/school/medical emergency/natural disaster and since you missed it, the staff of Anet should make a specific instance for you.

These threads invariably show up every time a few poor planners, unfortunate individuals, lazy people, and whiny individuals miss out on anything. Much like any forum, people will plead their cases in the hopes that somehow, someway, they might get a pass on the things they missed. Wonder how many of these people call their local lottery and complain that they thought about playing the winning numbers but didn't get the chance? I think we all know the outcome of those type of pipe dreams.

As to the my "1%" comment, apparently people missed the reference to the Occupy "movement" (or lack of movement as the numerous unshowered tent communities in local parks have shown), but much like said disorganization a few loud, inactive people complain about their inability to do what the vast majority of people CAN do. For some perhaps there is a valid reason, a passionate feeling, or a significant need for such protest. However like many a movement in the past, the Hipster thing to do is try to be a part, and what may have started out as a sincere movement has turned into a hobby for a few people craving attention, lacking ambition(hey look free tent space!), or generally just looking to count(or raise their thread count as this particular case has shown).

In reading Sardilac over the course of the last 2 years, I've noticed a population of growing laziness. And yes, Mythran, Hanock, if you cannot log in for 48 hours, at any point, you are LAZY! You apparently have access to both a means of getting onto these forums, and posting in advance about event rewards (yes they are REWARDS.You don't get REWARDED for NOT showing up.) and since you can anticipate such possible misfortune, you could also come up with a back up plan that will allow Devs to work on things that actually do effect the game we all play. With every new update our "squeaky wheels" will beg for more.

To the few reading this that still find a way to miss out on this years hats, allow me to help you. The 1st is this weekend. There you go, everyone is happy, be at the event, get the hat, don't show up to the event, don't get the hat. If at any point after being informed of when the hats are coming, and given an interval of time that you can make arrangements to get said items, you still find that you have missed them, don't post yet another suggestion thread about the world needing to revolve around you. as those who get the hats will undoubtedly tell you, they made time for it, and they got rewarded. we all miss things from time to time, the world doesn't stop for just us, this may be an important life lesson for some of you, though I fear a few people who read this take no such lessons. Best of luck to you all, Happy Holidays.

*lemming* · Dec 29, 2011, 07:50 PM // 19:50

How exactly does it hurt a player to not be able to get an exclusive hat?

I mean, do people who started WoW late complain about not having the anniversary achievements on their characters?

If anything, WoW has less of the same problems because they have an actual support staff that's willing to help out if your internet died to a snowstorm or you had to stay overnight in the hospital with your sick family member.

Essence Snow · Dec 29, 2011, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

As I really don't see this post going any further than it already has, I will put my final 2 cents in on the topic. If as a player of this game, you cannot for any reason show up to the finale, to the trader, or even find a way to AFK, you have no business demanding a hat. This is the equivalent of saying that you missed a double faction weekend due to work/school/medical emergency/natural disaster and since you missed it, the staff of Anet should make a specific instance for you.

These threads invariably show up every time a few poor planners, unfortunate individuals, lazy people, and whiny individuals miss out on anything. Much like any forum, people will plead their cases in the hopes that somehow, someway, they might get a pass on the things they missed. Wonder how many of these people call their local lottery and complain that they thought about playing the winning numbers but didn't get the chance? I think we all know the outcome of those type of pipe dreams.

As to the my "1%" comment, apparently people missed the reference to the Occupy "movement" (or lack of movement as the numerous unshowered tent communities in local parks have shown), but much like said disorganization a few loud, inactive people complain about their inability to do what the vast majority of people CAN do. For some perhaps there is a valid reason, a passionate feeling, or a significant need for such protest. However like many a movement in the past, the Hipster thing to do is try to be a part, and what may have started out as a sincere movement has turned into a hobby for a few people craving attention, lacking ambition(hey look free tent space!), or generally just looking to count(or raise their thread count as this particular case has shown).

In reading Sardilac over the course of the last 2 years, I've noticed a population of growing laziness. And yes, Mythran, Hanock, if you cannot log in for 48 hours, at any point, you are LAZY! You apparently have access to both a means of getting onto these forums, and posting in advance about event rewards (yes they are REWARDS.You don't get REWARDED for NOT showing up.) and since you can anticipate such possible misfortune, you could also come up with a back up plan that will allow Devs to work on things that actually do effect the game we all play. With every new update our "squeaky wheels" will beg for more.

To the few reading this that still find a way to miss out on this years hats, allow me to help you. The 1st is this weekend. There you go, everyone is happy, be at the event, get the hat, don't show up to the event, don't get the hat. If at any point after being informed of when the hats are coming, and given an interval of time that you can make arrangements to get said items, you still find that you have missed them, don't post yet another suggestion thread about the world needing to revolve around you. as those who get the hats will undoubtedly tell you, they made time for it, and they got rewarded. we all miss things from time to time, the world doesn't stop for just us, this may be an important life lesson for some of you, though I fear a few people who read this take no such lessons. Best of luck to you all, Happy Holidays.

I don't really think its about every hat....there seems to be interest in only a few select hats...ie...ones that are actually decent. I'm sure if they made more "decent hats" ppl wouldn't be concerned so much bout past ones. The Santa hat is sort of an exception as it is a recognized symbolic hat of the holiday.

The 1%/99% thing is completely off topic and your lack of knowledge of what it is...is pretty funny. A semi-relatable (but just barely) example in terms of GW would be Kanaxi, Panda, and Vizu...not festival hats.

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 29, 2011, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

In reading Sardilac over the course of the last 2 years, I've noticed a population of growing laziness. And yes, Mythran, Hanock, if you cannot log in for 48 hours, at any point, you are LAZY!

I guess you're right. So the next time someone tries to log into the game and gets one of the myriad "could not connect" or "disconnect" errors that regularly occurs and can often last the better part of a day, or if someone's ISP decides to have a major burp for a day, or a tree branch falls on a power line, then we need to get off of our lazy butts and climb that pole to fix it, or head down to the ISP's office to help them fix their issue, or head over to Anet and beef up the game servers so we can log in and afk with the rest of the hundreds of thousands of other players.

I feel very fortunate to have not experienced major problems like those and have been able to attend all the events with both of my main accounts - and my alt accounts as well (for the events that those accounts could attend at least). However, I do understand and have at other times experienced those problems above (thank God Irene and Lee came when no events where going on in the game), believe that a mechanism should be in place that allows people to obtain the hats they could not due to circumstances such as this, even if it would also benefit the true "Lazy" people you speak of. And even a week-long NPC isn't always enough as the freak snowstorm that hit the East Coast on Halloween weekend caused many people I know to be without power for nearly two weeks. Obviously, because Anet has implemented the post-event NPCs for years now, they have agreed with that reasoning. I simply would like to see it taken to the next step to help those players out before the current system was implemented, as I have spoken to many in the past who were not able to attend the earliest events for these same reasons.

Hanok

cormac ap dunn · Dec 29, 2011, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

I don't really think its about every hat....there seems to be interest in only a few select hats...ie...ones that are actually decent. I'm sure if they made more "decent hats" ppl wouldn't be concerned so much bout past ones. The Santa hat is sort of an exception as it is a recognized symbolic hat of the holiday.

The 1%/99% thing is completely off topic and your lack of knowledge of what it is...is pretty funny. A semi-relatable (but just barely) example in terms of GW would be Kanaxi, Panda, and Vizu...not festival hats.

Oh, I'm well aware of what occupy was intended to be, I was referring to what it devolved into(the cool thing to do when you are a 20something hipster looking to be seen being edgy), but as it relates to this topic a minority slice of the overall game population (those who were unable to get the hats for whatever reason) wanting something that is no longer available

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 29, 2011, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Oh, I'm well aware of what occupy was intended to be, I was referring to what it devolved into(the cool thing to do when you are a 20something hipster looking to be seen being edgy), but as it relates to this topic a minority slice of the overall game population (those who were unable to get the hats for whatever reason) wanting something that is no longer available

But fortunately we are talking about a game, and not real life. Though I think you are right in terms of the Occupy movement, the implementation from the outset was poor and could only lead to the nonsense that it is now. That being said, however, there is something to be said for needing a change in how the way things should be done - just because Occupy is now the haven for the 21st Century equivalent of Hippies and Flower Children (and a poor man's showing of those sects to boot) doesn't mean that the good core of ideals and those that are deserving of those changes should have to suffer without them because of it.

Like I mentioned above, just because the true lazy people would benefit does not mean that a system to allow the purchase of all past hats should not be implemented for those that have legitimate reasons for not having been able to obtain them at the time. But if we do want to talk real life, even Disney realized the benefits of re-opening the Vault on a regular basis to allow those that missed their favorite movie the first time around to get it the next time.

Hanok

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Dec 29, 2011, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by lemming

How exactly does it hurt a player to not be able to get an exclusive hat?

I mean, do people who started WoW late complain about not having the anniversary achievements on their characters?

If anything, WoW has less of the same problems because they have an actual support staff that's willing to help out if your internet died to a snowstorm or you had to stay overnight in the hospital with your sick family member.

we're talking about GW now, i have much more faith in anet than blizzard, so i dont even start about that

it wont "hurt" anyone, it will just help Anet making others happy/happier, and every lil bit of happiness will affect the income of Anet, not just for GW2, also for GW1 (just GW), as they can do more with more money

making people happy wont just let people stay, because the next step is people will pay more for stuff they can buy from the ingame store

i'm NOT complaining, let that be clear, i just like to see old hats for everyone, and as i said: i only wanted 1 other "hat" from back then, as i missed it due to using the 2nd account i barely use anymore, lol

which was the 1st dragon mask, i wouldnt mind if i couldnt get it anymore, as i still have the 2 best (IMO) hats ever, which are the cat ears and first yule cap

gimme 1 good reason how it would affect the community and/or the game in a bad way when anet would allow people to get all the older hats

should they sell them, anet gains a lil profit from it
should they give it for free, they make even more people happy, as not everyone is rich in GW, and so they may try to collect some money to buy stuff like char slots, storage tabs etc.

i mean, i'm kinda poor, but even i manage to collect money for such things, but only if i really can and want

also, remember that the hat maker wasnt there, so it's kinda unfair to the older players who couldnt keep em due to full bags, the newer players (at least those who joined GW after the hat npc update) would have that advantage over those who dont have it anymore
not to forget we had to replace em with normal headgear, so had no hat slot in our characters bags

the happier the people become in GW, the better Anet's income will be for GW AND GW2

same could be said about survivor + LDoA, like some mentioned before, some people left pre, as they didnt wanna die, and now may not have any char slots left for a pre char, and thats about a "title" which lately are way more important than hats in the community, and to GW2, as i dont see a spot in HoM to put in festival hats

then survivor itself, which was impossible to get if you died with a char which maybe was almost there, and so maybe half of those who had that quit both titles, as they didnt wanna start over making a new char

then those who left pre sear, cuz they didnt wanna die millions of times, or couldnt due to d/c's which may occur at anyone's internet, not to forget the electricity cost (i know how bad that can be)

yet these people got what they wanted, and i dont see people really raging about these things, maybe when they implented it, but now people continue and those who do like the changes became happier

example: i bought a costume cuz i got back into GW.... why? well, i wanna try LDoA now, as deathlvl isnt my thing, the d/c's are pretty bad at night here where i live and the energy cost is too much for us (in reallife yes)

before you ask: yes, i bought that costume cuz of pre sear char... and my derv, as i dont like derv armors
glad i got the money at that time

ps. as for survivor, i'm still trying to get it old fashion way "without dying even once before rank 3"

Showtime · Dec 29, 2011, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

QQ Disney blah blah blah

Hanok

Disney opened the vault (as you say), to make more money. How can you act like you are the capitalism spokesman in one post and then get all mushy when it comes to one of the biggest entertainment corporations in the world? Disney felt bad for people who missed the initial release? LMFAO oh you now made top 10.

Showtime

I don't see how you can be too busy to miss an event and yet have time try dispute every argument in this thread. You snipped me twice simply because you've been exposed as a troll. 3 times the charm...

Showtime

Lmao at you trying to act like you are above it all when it comes to me, but still trying to troll everyone else. Now that takes me back to when I use to troll nubs like you on the offtopic forums. True story.

Showtime

No hats for those who missed it or free hats for everyone who wants em.
Now go back to your arenanet masters and tell them you failed in your sorry attempt to get people to agree to pay for event hats. I hope they fire you.

Showtime

Swingline · Dec 30, 2011, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

I don't really think its about every hat....there seems to be interest in only a few select hats...ie...ones that are actually decent. I'm sure if they made more "decent hats" ppl wouldn't be concerned so much bout past ones. The Santa hat is sort of an exception as it is a recognized symbolic hat of the holiday.

Its mostly about the hats people chose to delete because Anet failed to implement them properly at the time. The first hats just happen to be the most iconic. The pumpkin head and santa hat come to mind. They took up an armor slot and storage space so they were downright annoying. There was no way of telling if storage would increase in the future, if the festival hat maker would be implemented or a special slot to wear them over armor.

Anet gives people a second chance for halloween hats due to a freak snow storm but I can't get a second chance for first year hats because of their goof? And if I do I have to pay? GG

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

The 1%/99% thing is completely off topic and your lack of knowledge of what it is...is pretty funny. A semi-relatable (but just barely) example in terms of GW would be Kanaxi, Panda, and Vizu...not festival hats.

Completely agree. Don't talk about something you know nothing about. Most of you who are talking about it seem like you get your info from fox news.

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Disney opened the vault (as you say), to make more money.

This is true. Disney is just a pimp, the hoes are Snow White, Ariel and Milley Cyrus.

cormac ap dunn · Dec 30, 2011, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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I
Completely agree. Don't talk about something you know nothing about. Most of you who are talking about it seem like you get your info from fox news.

I'll just have to assume you are one of the unemployed unwashed masses of which we speak then. A generation devoted to begging for the things others actually earned is exactly related to this thread. Daily we are all subject to the players spending more time begging for things then playing the game. If 1% of us are actually enjoying the game we purchased and 99% are busy complaining that its too hard, this game would be a very sad place, much like the occupy movement... 99%? Really? If the slice of people represented on this forum were an accurate representation of the actually population of guild wars then i would be behind all the inane requests, but much like occupy, a small but vocal slice of the whole pretends to represent the opinions of the masses... lets not pretend that the majority of players missed the hats, or feel they deserve them just because they are wonderful in their own minds... your mother may have loved you but we don't have to

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Dec 30, 2011, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I'll just have to assume you are one of the unemployed unwashed masses of which we speak then. A generation devoted to begging for the things others actually earned is exactly related to this thread. Daily we are all subject to the players spending more time begging for things then playing the game. If 1% of us are actually enjoying the game we purchased and 99% are busy complaining that its too hard, this game would be a very sad place, much like the occupy movement... 99%? Really? If the slice of people represented on this forum were an accurate representation of the actually population of guild wars then i would be behind all the inane requests, but much like occupy, a small but vocal slice of the whole pretends to represent the opinions of the masses... lets not pretend that the majority of players missed the hats, or feel they deserve them just because they are wonderful in their own minds... your mother may have loved you but we don't have to

better language for the bold part

earned should be got as extra

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feel they deserve them just because they are wonderful in their own minds

sry, but i think people deserve it due to buying Guild Wars and maybe even bpaying for ingame store stuff

also:

why calling it all "begging" while you could say "wishing for" ?

instead of : people are begging for older hats to come back
we now say: people are wishing for older hats to come back

and we "earn" titles by doing alot of stuff
we get hats "as a nice extra"

earning is NOT standing in an outpost while you're shopping in reallife
earning is more like you put effort in something (grinding or such) to get something big and/or useful

if you think about it, getting older hats is the same as getting new ones, you just stand in an outpost
so why would it be offending those who stood in LA and/or kamadan before, while they have to do it now, and most likely next year if they want the hats?

i'd like to see new people wearing the oldest yule cap, cuz i like to see it, as its my favorite festival hat, just like the cat ears, but those are barely visible, as they are small and sometimes people have the same color hair

we didnt do much to get the hats, so why wouldnt new players get them now? whether its paying real money, getting older hats at the fitting events, or paying like 1k or exchange items for those hats
i mean, we were just standing, and they have to pay money or get items to get each of them (depends on how Anet would do it)

meaning they are closer to "earn" them than we were, as a matter of fact, if its paying or exchange items for each hat, it IS called "earning"

note: lately i make lots of typoes, i hope i didnt make any real bad ones.... just saying

cormac ap dunn · Dec 30, 2011, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

better language for the bold part

earned should be got as extra

sry, but i think people deserve it due to buying Guild Wars and maybe even bpaying for ingame store stuff

also:

why calling it all "begging" while you could say "wishing for" ?

instead of : people are begging for older hats to come back
we now say: people are wishing for older hats to come back

and we "earn" titles by doing alot of stuff
we get hats "as a nice extra"

earning is NOT standing in an outpost while you're shopping in reallife
earning is more like you put effort in something (grinding or such) to get something big and/or useful

if you think about it, getting older hats is the same as getting new ones, you just stand in an outpost
so why would it be offending those who stood in LA and/or kamadan before, while they have to do it now, and most likely next year if they want the hats?

i'd like to see new people wearing the oldest yule cap, cuz i like to see it, as its my favorite festival hat, just like the cat ears, but those are barely visible, as they are small and sometimes people have the same color hair

we didnt do much to get the hats, so why wouldnt new players get them now? whether its paying real money, getting older hats at the fitting events, or paying like 1k or exchange items for those hats
i mean, we were just standing, and they have to pay money or get items to get each of them (depends on how Anet would do it)

meaning they are closer to "earn" them than we were, as a matter of fact, if its paying or exchange items for each hat, it IS called "earning"

note: lately i make lots of typoes, i hope i didnt make any real bad ones.... just saying

Making the effort to show up is still more work then complaining after the fact. So lets say instead of earned how about we say put the minimal effort forth to be present. Either way you slice it, participation, no matter how small is still required. If you can't show up you don't get the hat, simple, clean and effective, nothing else to it. When a reward is given in game for participation in an event, it seems only fitting you at the very least show up. Those that can't be there, haven't been there or don't plan on being there simply do not get the reward for actually SHOWING UP. In the case of winters day, there is a collector, didn't get the shards? Don't get the hats

Not A Standard Name · Dec 30, 2011, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

the happier the people become in GW, the better Anet's income will be for GW AND GW2

same could be said about survivor + LDoA, like some mentioned before, some people left pre, as they didnt wanna die, and now may not have any char slots left for a pre char, and thats about a "title" which lately are way more important than hats in the community, and to GW2, as i dont see a spot in HoM to put in festival hats

then survivor itself, which was impossible to get if you died with a char which maybe was almost there, and so maybe half of those who had that quit both titles, as they didnt wanna start over making a new char

then those who left pre sear, cuz they didnt wanna die millions of times, or couldnt due to d/c's which may occur at anyone's internet, not to forget the electricity cost (i know how bad that can be)

yet these people got what they wanted, and i dont see people really raging about these things, maybe when they implented it, but now people continue and those who do like the changes became happier

"Give me everything I want immediately."
Sadly, happiness doesn't work this way. If you can get anything simply by buying it with real money there is no value for that item or title or whatever. A hat is meant as a sign to remember the festival. That's its value. Give it to everyone and there's no value left. You could argue that for someone who already has a hat the value stays the same. And why I argue against this is simply, because I'm concerned with GW2 too. I really don't care much about hats, but it just shows the demanding mentality that ultimately devalues everything, because nothing is special anymore, because you can buy everything you missed or cannot achieve with real money.
It's like climbing a mountain versus comfortably sitting in the lift upwards. What's the point of just standing there, if you didn't get up yourself?
Yeah, you can complain about people not having legs being unable to climb up on their own etc., but sometimes you simply have bad luck. It always happens that you cannot get something due to things outside of your control, but that's no reason to devalue it for everyone by building a lift there.

The Tinman · Dec 30, 2011, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Being a newer play , I would like the opportunity to get the older hats

/signed