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Showtime · Dec 22, 2011, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Another thread that make me smile.

Most people who have them, don't want others to be able to get them for selfish reasons. They feel elite and old school while running around in pumpkin heads.

I have a bunch of them, but some I didn't take to the hat dude and I missed an event or 2 over the years. So some accounts have different hats.

I don't mind if they reissued the hats for in game stuff. Why charge for something that's already programmed?

BUT I'd prefer they didn't issue them simply because they said they wouldn't.

So if they were to reissue and charge money for it, they'd come out looking like lying a-holes.

Remember this is a game. Outside of people in the game, no one cares if you have that wicked hat or ice wreath or w/e. And even in game it currently just means you were there for an event like thousands of others.

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 22, 2011, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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I don't mind if they reissued the hats for in game stuff. Why charge for something that's already programmed?

Because, ultimately, making money is a part of the business, and there are those that are certainly willing to pay for things that they think are worthwhile to have.

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BUT I'd prefer they didn't issue them simply because they said they wouldn't.

So if they were to reissue and charge money for it, they'd come out looking like lying a-holes.

Not really - it's happened many, many times over the course of GW's life. The two biggest that come to my mind are the BMP and UAS. In both instances, Anet said they would never, ever sell the BMP separately, or allow all skills to be unlocked in PvP through means other than playing PvE. In both cases, they eventually realized it was better for the players and better for the game to do both. I certainly don't consider them to be LA-H for that. I am actually proud that they owned up to their mistakes and corrected them.

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Remember this is a game. Outside of people in the game, no one cares if you have that wicked hat or ice wreath or w/e. And even in game it currently just means you were there for an event like thousands of others.

Actually most people in the game don't care about it either. I certainly never cared who got what hat, mini-pet, drop, or what have you. I certainly didn't care if people pwned elite areas using pre-nerf UB. Didn't change my gameplay or enjoyment of items one iota.

Hanok

Showtime · Dec 22, 2011, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

Because, ultimately, making money is a part of the business, and there are those that are certainly willing to pay for things that they think are worthwhile to have.

Not really - it's happened many, many times over the course of GW's life. The two biggest that come to my mind are the BMP and UAS. In both instances, Anet said they would never, ever sell the BMP separately, or allow all skills to be unlocked in PvP through means other than playing PvE. In both cases, they eventually realized it was better for the players and better for the game to do both. I certainly don't consider them to be LA-H for that. I am actually proud that they owned up to their mistakes and corrected them.

Actually most people in the game don't care about it either. I certainly never cared who got what hat, mini-pet, drop, or what have you. I certainly didn't care if people pwned elite areas using pre-nerf UB. Didn't change my gameplay or enjoyment of items one iota.

Hanok

You work for them huh? You are the company spokesman that justifies them lying and doing whatever to FURTHER make money off of already paid for services?

Just because they screwed us over a couple of times we should come accept this or like you expect it? They came across as lying assholes then and will again if they do it again. Just makes other companies like Blizzard look good. DIBABLO III is coming and it looks pretty amazing...
(Now I'm the Blizzard spokesman.)

The last part is actually reiterating what I said.. So saying ACTUALLY like it's different is just actually not at all different. Actually, nice try though... You actually came across as smug and condescending, but your points are not those of the end gamer.

FREE HATS OR NONE is their safest play. Rewarding people for supporting their products through end of life is smart. Nickel and dimen' them is a bad precedent. AS A GAMER, if I ever feel I have to buy armor/weapons/etc, to keep up, I will stop supporting that game. IF this is the direction GW2 is heading, I will buy d3 and won't be purchasing gw2. (Either way I will be buying d3 the only question is will I buy a dozen copies for friends and family to get into or wait for gw2 and further support them).

Now Hanok (apparent arenanet spokesperson), please go back developing gw2 or figuring out some basic balances to gw1 so that I can enjoy my ranger a bit in non solo farming evironments.

drok3n · Dec 22, 2011, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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I work for a living. I play games for fun. A game that makes me feel like I have to work for anything is not a game I am going to spend my hard-earned money and limited time on.

Umm have u played any other MMo's or even guild wars? you have to work for everything...

try getting max hero title?

Almost everything in the game you have to "work" to get there. getting good at sc's is hard work. getting all your HoM done is work. So im a little confused what you mean by this statement. A Hat all you had to do was show up?

I mean honestly here i can make a list a mile long at what is hard to work for to get in guild wars.

MithranArkanere · Dec 22, 2011, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about. This is the same game that has over 100 Staves with the same exact stats on them and people want them purely for looks. Looks are very important to people in this game. No one should be able to obtain something that was to be a one time shot on getting it. When they release hats they have an order of operations in how they release it. There is ample time for someone to get the hat. You snooze you lose is my belief on this. I would hate to see people running around with the year 1 dragon mask and not even have been there. The guys that were present to get the hat, Get a certain joy out of the item because they know they were there. Adding features like this would be a downfall to the system and i fear could start a chain reaction in just let them buy it mentality. The Costumes are already a hit to people that spent so much time and energy seeking the perfect armor combo and finding the right mixture of colors. I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then. What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Still talking as if you had another game in mind.
Nothing of that has anything to do with Guild Wars hats.

This is Guild Wars. Guild Wars. Not some grinding game in which some gear is ludicruously hard to get grinding game.
It's not about getting things other won't get or that are hard for others, but about getting the stuff yourself for yourself, because you like it.
Others getting things too DOES NOT make worse what you get.

Hats are not a drop. Hats are given for free to everyone that manages to be there during a holiday.
It has nothing to do with gameplay, rarity, skill or anything like that. It doesn't matter how good or bad of a player you are. All that matters is being able to be there in that precise moment, unlike most other things in the game. And there are many things you have no control over that may prevent you from getting the hat.

With most other things, you can try them when you can, on your schedule. If you missed them, you'll eventually have another go at them. Even if you miss something like a Zaishen quest, it will come back eventually.
You can retry most things you fail in the game.
Even festival quests you can retry the next year if you missed them.
People that missed the the Wintersday Moa and Bear can unlock them the next year.
Even the hard to get Polar Bear miniature will come back.
And if the game manages to stay alive for over 12 years, the Zodiacal miniatures will probably come back too.

Festival hats are not like that. They are not consistent with how the rest of Guild Wars is.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Dec 22, 2011, 10:00 PM // 22:00

what GW is all about: having fun mostly and an extra "getting stuff for GW2"
it also was to "play together" but thats optional now

but then again, people said it'd be bad if we could get LDoA other ways and having that title + survivor
remember?

EDIT: 1 more thing i wanna say is:

the hats are special, even if they come back at the events, as we still cant trade them to let others make an own copy

these hats are special, but its a bad habit when being greedy over something everyone deserves
i mean, we should still welcome new(er) players to the game by showing and giving them special stuff like hats at those events
so they feel good, and dont feel noobs cuz they arent as veteran-ish as others are

i did miss the first halloween, as i wasnt in LA yet, but i was in GW, so after halloween i took a runner with half the money i got, just NOT to miss wintersday
then i missed the first dragon mask, but i mentioned that before

and now that we get npc's with those hats after the event, we shouldnt mind newer people getting older hats
being special doesnt always mean being very rare, as it's the memories you have which makes an event special, thats why wintersday is special for me, cuz it was the very first event i ever seen in GW

i see it like infused armors and ascended, which was a very big achievement back then, but as times change, its still kinda special, but if it still would be "hard" to get, people would hate it

see it so that people who arent "veterans" can get hats and feel good about it, while we "veterans" get newer minipets and now even everlasting tonics, just cuz our chars are old enough, that wont be special about a year or 2 for us, but by then we most likely have something else whats special BECAUSE we are veterans

sure, they are tradeable, but we get it because we are veterans, and if someone buys them, it wont ever be as special as getting it themselves

example: i got a dedicated brown rabbit, cuz i wanted it very badly, i like it alot, but it would've been a MUCH better feeling if i got it myself, not cuz its not dedicated yet, but cuz i got it without trades... the REAL way

cormac ap dunn · Dec 22, 2011, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Festival hats are not like that. They are not consistent with how the rest of Guild Wars is.

So would you prefer there was only 1 hat design from the beginning? That way its "consistent"...

The point attempting to be made here is that Each event presented a unique hat design to represent that particular years event. What next? "its unfair i have to wait for a birthday gift each year, and i never get the ones i want so i want to get one gift that gives me all minipets available that year, or let me buy a full minipet unlock pack from the IGS"? There has to be a line drawn between reasonable requests and unreasonable demands.
I think that the pro "gimme everything " side should see the other side of things a bit more then to say "there is no reason not to so it should be done"
Lets review some of the pro hat arguments being made...
~ People want cash shop options due to time constraints (if logging into the game one time over the course of an event is inconvenient you might be playing the wrong game).
~ The redux events were for issues out of everyone's control( read Anet made a mistake) and I think several people seem to confuse this with an intentional design.
~ The rest of the game lets me have a CHANCE at everything, a very poor excuse because you were given the opportunity to get the hat.
At this point I could care less, if people want to make excuses for their not having actually been at the events said hats were given out, so be it. If they would rather spend money then 1 hour on a game they claim to play(but seem to want to skip playing and receive the rewards for doing so) let them, a fool and his money are easily parted... I would request one thing of Anet for the sake of both sides of this coin. That they would make a difference between the hats. A glow on the originals, a texture difference, something to make having been there a worthwhile event. (prepared for the barrage of "But I want THOSE TOOOOO!!!")

enter_the_zone · Dec 23, 2011, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it.
That's not really the case.

Bullshit, that is exactly the case, just read some of the not signed posts, and I mean actually read them, employing your full attention, and you'll see I'm right. In fact, you may want to examine your own motives more closely.

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It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game, getting the hats that anet has offered throughout the years and have been loyal to them for.

Respect for the so-called "veterans".... seriously? AKA....e-peen.

They've not veterans of some epic war, they've just happened to play longer than some other people. And how, exactly, is it disrespectful to sell the same thing they got for free, for actual money, to other people?

Get a grip, it's a freaking hat that no one but the person wearing it cares about.
Oh, and to clarify, I've been playing GW since launch and I've been at pretty much every event (not the Tengu one, though).

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Why should someone with a brand new account come in, pay an amount of money and not have to show up to an event?

No, but seriously now, why shouldn't they? You pays your dollars and you gets your shiny shiny. And that is all it is, a non-tradeable shiny shiny. Now if it was a tradeable frog scepter or something, then yeah, I'd have a problem with it being sold in the store, though not if it was customized.

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If you don't have time to go, that's not anybody's fault really. You could have your char just afking in the town, many people do it. Don't complain just because you weren't at the event.

How about, don't be such an arrogant prick just because you were at the event? I've been at most of the events, I've got most of the hats, I just can't see the harm in selling the stupid hats in the store for real money. Seriously, what's the big deal?

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 23, 2011, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Ha! That's good. Thanks for giving me a good laugh to start my day out. I'll give 1/10 just for that - and for once again making me long for those classic Usenet days when real men could write real flames.

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Umm have u played any other MMo's or even guild wars? you have to work for everything...

try getting max hero title?

Almost everything in the game you have to "work" to get there. getting good at sc's is hard work. getting all your HoM done is work. So im a little confused what you mean by this statement. A Hat all you had to do was show up?

I mean honestly here i can make a list a mile long at what is hard to work for to get in guild wars.

Notice I said make me feel like I have to work. I have dabbled in other MMOs, but only after starting off in GW. One of the reasons I bought GW was that it was distinctly designed to eliminate much of the need for grind. They certainly have added many things that now call for grind, but grind in and of itself is only part of an overall "work" experience. Fortunately, GW still minimizes much of that aspect, so even when I do feel like I am grinding, it still does not feel like work. And none of it is required to play or finish any of the campaigns.

And you're right, all's one has to do for a hat is stand there, so drok3n's point about working for something is negated then in regards to the hats.

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