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cormac ap dunn · Dec 20, 2011, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I think this topic has gotten quite exhausted. No matter the side you fall on, this topic is brought up every event, every year. Lets agree that content is in dire need of adjustment, I just don't put hats high on the priority list. and frankly, once you get the hats , the topic will go back to content being added, lets let the Devs get the content promised out , then if they want to add hats, costumes, what not, have at it.

enter_the_zone · Dec 20, 2011, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I think this topic has gotten quite exhausted. No matter the side you fall on, this topic is brought up every event, every year. Lets agree that content is in dire need of adjustment, I just don't put hats high on the priority list. and frankly, once you get the hats , the topic will go back to content being added, lets let the Devs get the content promised out , then if they want to add hats, costumes, what not, have at it.

That's the most sensible thing I've read in this thread. While I'm pro-hats, as it were, I can think of many, many things I'd rather have, both in terms of content and account security.

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 20, 2011, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

That's the most sensible thing I've read in this thread. While I'm pro-hats, as it were, I can think of many, many things I'd rather have, both in terms of content and account security.

Agreed with that. For the most part, the recent addition of account recovery has gone a long way towards, if not ensuring security, at least protecting the contents of our accounts. Judging from past instances, though, it doesn't appear to take many resources or time to make a hat available outside of an event. They set up the Halloween guy pretty quick, so it's just a matter of how they would want to do it. Certainly, tieing it in with the store will take more time and resources, but I image it could be something done in conjunction with a future costume or store addition anyway.

Hanok

Wandering Hades · Dec 21, 2011, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Never in a million years should the people who werent around at the time to get the hats... it seems like these are the only items that show others how long has the person been playing for and what events theyve been in. Everything else you all just bought your way through... even the divine aura that people can just buy the CD key for....

/notsigned.

enter_the_zone · Dec 21, 2011, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Wandering Hades

Never in a million years should the people who werent around at the time to get the hats... it seems like these are the only items that show others how long has the person been playing for and what events theyve been in. Everything else you all just bought your way through... even the divine aura that people can just buy the CD key for....

/notsigned.

Translation : It diminishes the size of my e-peen because I'm dumb enough to give a shit what a bunch of gormless 12 year old kids think. Let's face it, they're the only ones who are impressed by that shit.

The rest of us couldn't care less what some random nobody is wearing, let alone what it says about what event they attended etc. We just want shiny shit to make our characters look cool to us. And by nobody I don't mean just you, I mean everyone else in the district or group. We're all just ships in the night.

And now thinking about it, is there a textmod to make your headgear appear as festival hats? Cause that'd do me.

Which has now got me thinking, what if they sold the ability to make any festival hat look like any other festival hat, but only to you (to everyone else it appears as the festival hat it actually is). I'd pay £5 for that.

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 21, 2011, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Wandering Hades

Never in a million years should the people who werent around at the time to get the hats... it seems like these are the only items that show others how long has the person been playing for and what events theyve been in. Everything else you all just bought your way through... even the divine aura that people can just buy the CD key for....

/notsigned.

In addition to what enter_the_zone so eloquently stated

, perhaps you should read back through all six pages of this thread to see that the "You weren't there" argument is completely invalidated. There are more than enough instances where people did attend events and didn't get or no longer have the hats, and plenty of other instances where people were not at the event, yet were still able to acquire the hats through other means (i.e. my Factions only account has Wintersday hats). Aside from the fact that it only shows that your account was logged in at the time - out of the millions of players who do have hats, guaranteed a great many of them were not actually attending, but merely afking the event. I should know - for many events that take place during a weekday, my account is afk at home (hoping for no disconnects) whilst I am away at work.

Hanok

FalconDance · Dec 21, 2011, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I only wish there was a way to get back a copy of the hats we had before the appearance of the Festival Hat crafter and all the additional storage capability. Storing them became a major pain, and some were deleted - forever, it seems.

That doesn't mean, however, that I want to pay real money for them. I have over 6 years into this game; it would be nice if there was some sort of solution that didn't involve either $$ or every new person with an inferiority complex wanting it all right now.

::sighs:: But then again, I remember a time when you could see if a person had actually played the game through and what type of build they were running by the armor they wore.

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 21, 2011, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

I only wish there was a way to get back a copy of the hats we had before the appearance of the Festival Hat crafter and all the additional storage capability. Storing them became a major pain, and some were deleted - forever, it seems.

I believe the Hat Maker may have this possibility. It was used one year to allow anyone to obtain Wintersday hats after the finale (hence why my Factions only account was able to get them). However, I do not think there is a way for Anet to check to see who had the hats previous to the maker and re-instate them.

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That doesn't mean, however, that I want to pay real money for them. I have over 6 years into this game; it would be nice if there was some sort of solution that didn't involve either $$ or every new person with an inferiority complex wanting it all right now.

Well, naturally. Who does want to pay for something if you can get it for free? But we need to think in terms of what is good for the game. This same argument came up when players were requesting additional character slots. At the end, Anet allowed them to be purchased, and it has become one of the main factors that the game has continued to be so well funded and we have others things we can buy now. I don't need the hats for either of my two main accounts, but if this system was implemented, then I would certainly make a purchase for one of my alternate accounts to show my support and help continue to fund the game, as I do on a regular basis with other items that have been added to the store.

Ultimately, the best solution in this case (as has been suggested by many players), is a token system similar to the makeover and name change credits. We would essentially buy tokens in the store that then could be traded to specific NPCs in game in exchange for particular items. In that way, we aren't buying the hats directly, but they can become one of any number of items that can be part of the barter system. Once the initial token system is implemented, it should be relatively easy to add stock to those NPCs.

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::sighs:: But then again, I remember a time when you could see if a person had actually played the game through and what type of build they were running by the armor they wore.

Maybe, but not necessarily. For a long time I kept many characters in low level or non-elite armor simply because I liked the look better than anything else. Same with the builds. I didn't (and still don't) play the most effective or powerful builds on many characters simply because I enjoy playing with the builds that they have now. It's got me through pretty much every area of the entire series at this point, but you wouldn't know it to look at them.

Hanok

Griffenex · Dec 21, 2011, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

At the end of the day, it's a non-tradeable cosmetic item that offers you no, read that, NO, advantage at all. Otherwise known as a costume. Storage panes and extra character slots offer more actual advantage because, for instance, you never have to junk or salvage the random Nick drops you pick up while playing. Which means 2.6+ years from now, I probably don't have to farm Avacari feathered scalps again.

Of course hats should be in the in game store, it's a no-brainer, and there isn't a single legitimate argument with any actual proof to show it would have any detrimental effect on the game, at all. All it does is deflate the haters e-peen, because they're not "special" or "unique" anymore, which is why they dis on it.

Hater: "But you weren't there"

IGS Hat Freak: "Yeah, but I have money."

Hater : "But that's not fair."

IGS Hat Freak:"Wait, so you turn up and get something for free... and then I pay real money for it... and you say it's not fair on you....seriously?"

/Signed

Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it. That's not really the case. It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game, getting the hats that anet has offered throughout the years and have been loyal to them for. Why should someone with a brand new account come in, pay an amount of money and not have to show up to an event? If you don't have time to go, that's not anybody's fault really. You could have your char just afking in the town, many people do it. Don't complain just because you weren't at the event.

Back on topic, /signed, only if your account is x some years old enough to get the hat and if it's only offered when the event it was given at is happening.

KZaske · Dec 21, 2011, 09:20 PM // 21:20

I am not exactly pro hats, but I would like to be able to recover hats I had to delete due to the lack of storage space. I had to dispose of two years worth of hats because of this. I really want them back, I miss my first year halloween & winter's day hats.
In short, I feel that if your account is five years old, you should not be able to get hats from 6 years ago.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Dec 21, 2011, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Griffenex

Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it. That's not really the case. It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game, getting the hats that anet has offered throughout the years and have been loyal to them for. Why should someone with a brand new account come in, pay an amount of money and not have to show up to an event? If you don't have time to go, that's not anybody's fault really. You could have your char just afking in the town, many people do it. Don't complain just because you weren't at the event.

Back on topic, /signed, only if your account is x some years old enough to get the hat and if it's only offered when the event it was given at is happening.

respect just cuz someone plays longer than others?
its a game, a game where you should have fun, not having too many people being "better" than others, or at least feel better than others

i dont really have a reason to buy old hats, but i'd like to see it for those who would want
and i'd say: give it for free
why do people NEED to pay for it? i mean, anet has lots of money and gets more everyday from just GW
and saying people should pay for something as minor as hats, sounds a bit greedy and maybe heartless to me

why not share nice stuff with people? we have costumes to buy, even from halloween which i still could buy for a long time now

sry, but i dont understand why it'd be bad that new players or people that had a too busy reallife at the time, cant just get old hats
this game is about fun, not about who's playing for a longer time

this e-peen gets too big this way, which is why i'm still thinking about whether i buy GW2 or not, with such community (except for the friends i have/had in GW, and those who also think games should be for fun)
i mean, now we got HM, because that e-peen had to be bigger, yet its never enough

i just hope anet will give us those old hats at the next events, so that everyone has something nice again

sharing feels good imo, not allowing newer people to get old stuff feels bad to me, and as i said: it feels heartless, which i hate tbh

gimme 1 "good" reason without about the e-peen why newer people shouldnt get what we could get to have a lil more fun in the game

2 major reasons to give them should be:
1. newer people (and those who missed some) will see they can get alot, and may buy alot of stuff from the store as they stay longer in GW
2. it can also affect GW2's sales

my own reason is: everyone should be worth the same in this case

RTSFirebat · Dec 21, 2011, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Personally, I totally support this. It would fun for people who missed them, causes no harm for those who already have them and would mean A LOT of money for the developers.

Everybody wins!

/signed

drok3n · Dec 22, 2011, 01:01 AM // 01:01

/NO CHANCE.

This would ruin the game for me honestly. Then they might as well ad q8 gold weapons for 10 dollars each. or bring back the kanaxi promo codes. or the glowing hands when u dance. These things are there and put in place so they are rare. One shouldn't gain from not being there. I have a 1 hat i missed out of all these years and it pisses me off but thats how things work.

My ideal concept is to have events that drop a specific thing that is only obtainable that year and not after. That puts the shine on the items and puts the price up on them. This is half the reason people play the game. It sucks they only held this concept with Hats. Old school weapons sorta follow this line, but just happened cause they came out with INSC new weapons and higher reqs. so all the older weapons didn't drop anymore. and look at how they are seeked for now. If guild wars would implement more of this, i would love it.

loopysnoopy · Dec 22, 2011, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by drok3n

/NO CHANCE.

This would ruin the game for me honestly. Then they might as well ad q8 gold weapons for 10 dollars each. or bring back the kanaxi promo codes. or the glowing hands when u dance. These things are there and put in place so they are rare. One shouldn't gain from not being there. I have a 1 hat i missed out of all these years and it pisses me off but thats how things work.

My ideal concept is to have events that drop a specific thing that is only obtainable that year and not after. That puts the shine on the items and puts the price up on them. This is half the reason people play the game. It sucks they only held this concept with Hats. Old school weapons sorta follow this line, but just happened cause they came out with INSC new weapons and higher reqs. so all the older weapons didn't drop anymore. and look at how they are seeked for now. If guild wars would implement more of this, i would love it.

This here folks is an elitist. How can hats that dont have no stats effect the game which you cant sell to others as it would be stupid to say the least even if they did a bundle pack from years 05-11 for £4 that would stop the crazy's complaining........... I too have missed 1hat but hey RL comes 1st

Signed for shop purchased only

MithranArkanere · Dec 22, 2011, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by drok3n

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Please don't do that.
You seem to be posting without not knowing exactly what the thread is about.
Anyone that have played Guild Wars during a festival would know that you are spouting nonsense.

Festival hats cannot be traded. They are not 'rare'. They are not 'hard to get'. Those that miss them is not for lack of skill, not for being 'noobs' or newbies or bad players, poor or lazy.
When someone missed a festival hat it was for unforeseen circumstances, schedules they can't controls that keep them away during holidays, account hackings, and things like those.
Once you miss them, that's it. You no longer can get them, EVER.
With a q8 weapon, it may drop anytime.
With kanaxxai miniatures, there's a few in the market, many players won't dedicate them. And you still may get them dedicated.
You still have a go at them. It may be hard, but it's not impossible, unlike with past hats.

Festival hats are mere vanity items with no value other than aesthetic and sentimental. They can't be traded like costumes, and putting them in the GW store wouldn't change that.
No sane person would like less or enjoy less a hat or have their memories of past festivals 'destroyed' because others get the hats too. On the contrary. You remember past festivals when you see others with those hats. The more people have them, the more you get to remember those festivals.

It's not like selling q8 items, it's not like giving again Kannaxai miniatures, it's not even like putting in the GWshop the Korean Coke items.

Putting them in the GW store would mean mainly three things:
1.- For those that missed them or lost them for whatever reasons, it would allow them to get them and enjoy them.

2.- For those that already got them for free, it would just add value to the account, since something they got for free now has an actual value. Like when you get things like free games on Steam. The account just get more 'valuable', since it has more things unlocked. You got them for free, but others had to pay for it. Like with the Bonus Mission Pack. I got it for free, others had to pay for it. Do I have any reason to be angry for that? NO. Because I enjoy the BMP missions, and they also enjoy the BMP missions. So where's the problem?

3.- And for ANet, an extra small income. That never hurts.

JONO51 · Dec 22, 2011, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Honestly don't see all the problem here. The hats are a token & reminder of an event. My memories aren't going to be affected by how many or how few people I see wearing the dragon mask for example. In fact, all it'll do is give a more frequent reminder of said events as more people are wearing them, which is good in my book. Anyone annoyed that they would become "less unique" and "are meant to be rare" are pretty pathetic elitists (riled up over a hat, seriously?). And besides, if there's money in it (this thread shows there is) then I'm sure the live team wouldn't be affected and they'd have a few members of the GW2 team work on it (similar to what they do with the event costume designs iirc).

FalconDance · Dec 22, 2011, 03:47 PM // 15:47

In the best of all worlds, any account that was X years old would be able to redeem a token or other something-or-other for holidays head pieces back to and including the date of game registration (for example). That would please those of us who had to choose between having inventory slots to continue playing the game or keeping hats that were fun but otherwise useless (no costume slots back in the day, remember). It would require precious little extra coding since each acct is already coded to pull up age, deaths, etc.

drok3n · Dec 22, 2011, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Please don't do that.
You seem to be posting without not knowing exactly what the thread is about.
Anyone that have played Guild Wars during a festival would know that you are spouting nonsense.

Festival hats cannot be traded. They are not 'rare'. They are not 'hard to get'. Those that miss them is not for lack of skill, not for being 'noobs' or newbies or bad players, poor or lazy.
When someone missed a festival hat it was for unforeseen circumstances, schedules they can't controls that keep them away during holidays, account hackings, and things like those.
Once you miss them, that's it. You no longer can get them, EVER.
With a q8 weapon, it may drop anytime.
With kanaxxai miniatures, there's a few in the market, many players won't dedicate them. And you still may get them dedicated.
You still have a go at them. It may be hard, but it's not impossible, unlike with past hats.

Festival hats are mere vanity items with no value other than aesthetic and sentimental. They can't be traded like costumes, and putting them in the GW store wouldn't change that.
No sane person would like less or enjoy less a hat or have their memories of past festivals 'destroyed' because others get the hats too. On the contrary. You remember past festivals when you see others with those hats. The more people have them, the more you get to remember those festivals.

It's not like selling q8 items, it's not like giving again Kannaxai miniatures, it's not even like putting in the GWshop the Korean Coke items.

Putting them in the GW store would mean mainly three things:
1.- For those that missed them or lost them for whatever reasons, it would allow them to get them and enjoy them.

2.- For those that already got them for free, it would just add value to the account, since something they got for free now has an actual value. Like when you get things like free games on Steam. The account just get more 'valuable', since it has more things unlocked. You got them for free, but others had to pay for it. Like with the Bonus Mission Pack. I got it for free, others had to pay for it. Do I have any reason to be angry for that? NO. Because I enjoy the BMP missions, and they also enjoy the BMP missions. So where's the problem?

3.- And for ANet, an extra small income. That never hurts.

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I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about. This is the same game that has over 100 Staves with the same exact stats on them and people want them purely for looks. Looks are very important to people in this game. No one should be able to obtain something that was to be a one time shot on getting it. When they release hats they have an order of operations in how they release it. There is ample time for someone to get the hat. You snooze you lose is my belief on this. I would hate to see people running around with the year 1 dragon mask and not even have been there. The guys that were present to get the hat, Get a certain joy out of the item because they know they were there. Adding features like this would be a downfall to the system and i fear could start a chain reaction in just let them buy it mentality. The Costumes are already a hit to people that spent so much time and energy seeking the perfect armor combo and finding the right mixture of colors. I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then. What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 22, 2011, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Griffenex

Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it. That's not really the case. It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game....

That what the birthday presents are for. I don't feel any less respected because someone has the opportunity to trade for the presents, nor would I feel any less respected if players would be able to buy the hats, tonics, pre-order items, and mini-pets in the store. I have been playing since the original beta events - I'm pretty much as veteran as you can get.

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I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about. This is the same game that has over 100 Staves with the same exact stats on them and people want them purely for looks. Looks are very important to people in this game. No one should be able to obtain something that was to be a one time shot on getting it.

When they release hats they have an order of operations in how they release it. There is ample time for someone to get the hat. You snooze you lose is my belief on this. I would hate to see people running around with the year 1 dragon mask and not even have been there. The guys that were present to get the hat, Get a certain joy out of the item because they know they were there.

Then you really don't know what this thread is about. Most of those in support of adding an option to acquire the old hats either already have them, or they were lost for several (already stated in this thread) reasons. There was no "snoozing" to be had here. That was something Anet realized and has compensated for in recent years - as this year's Halloween and the current Wintersday events prove once again. The hats have not been "one shot" items for several years now for the most part. My Factions only account was able to obtain Wintersday hats without even the ability to set foot in Tyria.

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Adding features like this would be a downfall to the system and i fear could start a chain reaction in just let them buy it mentality. The Costumes are already a hit to people that spent so much time and energy seeking the perfect armor combo and finding the right mixture of colors.

Actually, as recent history has shown, moving to a F2P or micro-transaction business model has been the savior for a great many on-line games. It's the wave of the future. Even one such as I, who wants to hang on to the good old fashion buying a physical boxed copy of a game, has come to grips with the fact that the future of the gaming industry is not in brick-and-mortar stores, but though download clients like Steam. Thusly, having the ability to purchase vanity items for use in a game is not only here to stay, but the proven popularity of the system ensures its growth in the future.

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I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then.

I work for a living. I play games for fun. A game that makes me feel like I have to work for anything is not a game I am going to spend my hard-earned money and limited time on.

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What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Both. I want to play a game that offers me the most amount of options for playing and enjoying the content as I see fit and as my mood and time are at that moment.

Hanok

FalconDance · Dec 22, 2011, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about........ I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then. What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Unfortunately this happened a long time ago. Back in the beginning, you had to actually play the game to get to Marhan Grotto or the Granite Citadel for elite armor. Having an elite set, especially if it was Obsidian!, was an accomplishment, meant something.

Then buying runs became the norm, and these armors were available to anyone who had the gold (some bought from gold scammers with real money) to pay.

(Not that I'm anti-running, mind you. At 6+ years, I've so many 'toons now that I indulge in a run every now and again just for something different.)

Anet didn't help matters. For instance, I can remember wanting a feathered bow for my ranger so bad I could taste it - and a decent one never seemed to drop. They were so rare, it was something to have one. The next campaign came out and all the sudden, feathered bows of all sorts were dropping like flies everywhere I looked. No more shine, no more feeling of luck or accomplishment.

Whether it's Anet's dumbing things down so any chimp with a computer can play or it's people with a sense of entitlement, ingame accomplishment is not what it was. Hellfire, you can now buy a run through an entire continent, elite dungeon or UW/FOW for your Hall of Monuments and titles for GW2! Tell me again how this is "what Guild Wars is all about".