Curse

Essence Snow · Feb 14, 2012, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Maybe 1/2 signed....Like others have said...its not that it's just a hero.....it's a useful hero. Currently it takes far too long it get something useful. Since an extra rit hero is useful ppl will want to obtain on multiple toons, which starts too get into some rediculous time spent. I think once most obtain him they will switch rajahs prof, thus still only using 2 Rit hero. dern u auto correct......I like Andrews suggestion more than the op, but agree had the heroes been switched there wouldn't be an issue at all

Maya Cerestiez · Feb 14, 2012, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Why?

what really disappointing me is people in this community saying HM is so easy, and yet I don't see a step by step walk through guide of every single WoC quest in HM on these forums.

I thank the people that have helped. Many on this forum are extremely helpful.

These people who think they are so elite that they can attack anyone by saying hm is easy should prove it and walk everyone else through it step by step quest by quest, showing builds, techniques, hero placement, etc. Enrich the entire community with your knowledge.

Busy doing HM questline on character number 9 maybe?

How lazy are people nowadays, seems like they require a guide for everything. The people that puplish builds are doing a heavy job and for what gain? I can say that you'll be able to do HM WoC if you just take some builds from PvX and mod them after what you're facing, trial and error.

Sagittario · Feb 14, 2012, 09:40 PM // 21:40

The first phase was released on July 7, 2011; the second on September 29, 2011; the final phase was released on February 9, 2012.

I agree that if you ignored that there's something like WoC for 6 months, it will take a lot of time to finish it now.

This is the same as asking Anet to get both heroes from mutually exclusive couples before completing NF.

Slowpokeking · Feb 14, 2012, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Sagittario

The first phase was released on July 7, 2011; the second on September 29, 2011; the final phase was released on February 9, 2012.

I agree that if you ignored that there's something like WoC for 6 months, it will take a lot of time to finish it.

Nobody knew you need to finish HM to get a hero before part 3 released. Not everyone enjoy HM(same plot, stronger mob) that much.

madriel222 · Feb 14, 2012, 09:56 PM // 21:56

/not signed

I liken it to a little badge of honor showing that you completed the content. We don't need more heroes (thanks mercs!), but getting something a little extra for going through WoC HM was a nice touch.

Bright Star Shine · Feb 14, 2012, 09:59 PM // 21:59

"Oh no, I have to do more effort to get a better reward, this is so incredibly unfair. Hand me my free rewards without letting me do any effort please Anet, cause otherwise I'm going to complain."

That's how you sound.

/notsigned

AndrewSX · Feb 14, 2012, 10:01 PM // 22:01

(Just for record, i have Zei Ri on my Mes. And yes, some stuff in HM is stupid, on limit of frustration-watching you, HM Cho's prenerf. But i liked it.)

Zaph · Feb 14, 2012, 10:08 PM // 22:08

/notsigned

WoC is easy in HM as it is at the moment...

If you cant beat it on Hard Mode, either care and don't rush into overaggro carelessly, or check both your knees for arrows... (overused joke.. I know..

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Wielder Of Magic · Feb 14, 2012, 10:20 PM // 22:20

No.
Stop crying because things don't get handed to you on a silver platter.
Play for it in HM if you want him.
Stop the QQ already..

I hate those lazy crybabies...

Slowpokeking · Feb 14, 2012, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

"Oh no, I have to do more effort to get a better reward, this is so incredibly unfair. Hand me my free rewards without letting me do any effort please Anet, cause otherwise I'm going to complain."

That's how you sound.

/notsigned

So you would support we have to collect 4 gems to get Razah?

What you meant "more effort" is 35 quests in HM all over again and with increased difficulty.

Without any effort? So finish the whole chain of WoC NM(at least a few hours) is nothing in your eyes?

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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic

No.
Stop crying because things don't get handed to you on a silver platter.
Play for it in HM if you want him.
Stop the QQ already..

I hate those lazy crybabies...

Finish 35 quests is lazy? Most of heroes are easier to get than beat WoC NM.

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Originally Posted by Zaph

/notsigned

WoC is easy in HM as it is at the moment...

If you cant beat it on Hard Mode, either care and don't rush into overaggro carelessly, or check both your knees for arrows... (overused joke.. I know..

)

It's much more difficult and time consuming than most of the other heroes. It's quicker to go over NF and EotN to unlock most of the heroes.

Sagittario · Feb 14, 2012, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic

No.
Stop crying because things don't get handed to you on a silver platter.
Play for it in HM if you want him.
Stop the QQ already..

+1 You have my support man.

OFC I need Zei Ri on my other toons, but I'd rather do WoC HM with them then complaining how hard it is.

Šiljo · Feb 14, 2012, 10:34 PM // 22:34

What forces you to do it in one day?

Also,there was little or no qq when u had to get gems for razah because back then rits sucked....

Sagittario · Feb 14, 2012, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why?

what really disappointing me is people in this community saying HM is so easy, and yet I don't see a step by step walk through guide of every single WoC quest in HM on these forums.

I thank the people that have helped. Many on this forum are extremely helpful.

These people who think they are so elite that they can attack anyone by saying hm is easy should prove it and walk everyone else through it step by step quest by quest, showing builds, techniques, hero placement, etc. Enrich the entire community with your knowledge.

There ARE guides and builds!
Just read disscussions on wiki pages and run PvXwiki builds. They work despite they're boring. You have to do something little yourself.

Gemm · Feb 14, 2012, 10:50 PM // 22:50

WoC HM is SUPPOSED to be challenging, and that's why Zei Rei is one of the rewards. Being a rit, it opens up big possibilitys for 3 rit hero teams etc (without mercenarys). Miku isn't going to be used as much (IMO) since she's a sin. I'd rather actually have to try for a new hero that can actually be used rather than mindlessly click my mouse and let my heroes kill afflicted.

/notsigned

Zaph · Feb 14, 2012, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

Finish 35 quests is lazy? Most of heroes are easier to get than beat WoC NM.

If you're a completionist, do it, if not - don't! You can do pretty much all content of GW without one extra ritualist hero...

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

It's much more difficult and time consuming than most of the other heroes. It's quicker to go over NF and EotN to unlock most of the heroes.

It is, as a matter of fact WoC is intended to be harder-then-your-normal-campaign kind of expansion; people asked for challenge - people got it...

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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic

No.
Stop crying because things don't get handed to you on a silver platter.
Play for it in HM if you want him.
Stop the QQ already..

I hate those lazy crybabies...

+1....

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Bright Star Shine · Feb 14, 2012, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

So you would support we have to collect 4 gems to get Razah?

Please show me where I said this? The gems was a gimmicky thing. I wouldn't care now because I basically have stacks of the little bastards, but it was stupid back at the time. I'm talking about effort for greater reward. In HM DoA you get more gems than in NM. This makes sense. If it doesn't to you, you sir need to get your reason checked out.

What I meant with free reward is that WoC is completely free and handed to you. Yes it has its flaws, but it's FREE content. So are Miku and whatever the new Rit hero's name is.

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What you meant "more effort" is 35 quests in HM all over again and with increased difficulty.

Oh no, I have to play the game to get the rewards. Please petty me.

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Without any effort? So finish the whole chain of WoC NM(at least a few hours) is nothing in your eyes?

It's not nothing, but it isn't much either. The quests in NM are a piss tbh. I don't know how the quests in HM would be if you play the game legit. I did all of them with 6-14 heroes glitches, so it was a blast for me. But since a lot of people did it without abusing said glitch, I'm sure it's perfectly possible to do it with just 7 hero's and a working brain.

AndrewSX · Feb 14, 2012, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Just saying: the only thing i think is legit is being pissed by have to do 70 quests to get a hero, even more if you're planning to do it on more chars.

On the rest, agree with bright and others.

Also, if you can complete WoC in HM...you pretty much do not need a extra Rit hero.

Slowpokeking · Feb 14, 2012, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Zaph

If you're a completionist, do it, if not - don't! You can do pretty much all content of GW without one extra ritualist hero...

So you think Razah should require 4 gems rather than just finish NF right?

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Originally Posted by Zaph

It is, as a matter of fact WoC is intended to be harder-then-your-normal-campaign kind of expansion; people asked for challenge - people got it..

Yes, and we already got the NM, 35 quests, harder than any of the main campaign and pretty time consuming, 1 rit hero is too much?

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Please show me where I said this? The gems was a gimmicky thing. I wouldn't care now because I basically have stacks of the little bastards, but it was stupid back at the time. I'm talking about effort for greater reward. In HM DoA you get more gems than in NM. This makes sense. If it doesn't to you, you sir need to get your reason checked out.

You already got more reward in HM.
Double money
Double Ministerial Commendation and Imperial Guard Requisition Order
A few more rubies
1 extra Imperial Dragon's Tear

It's much more than you got from the HM of the main campaigns, are you ignoring these? Do we have to beat HM of Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall or EotN to get more heroes? NO, then why make an exception for WoC?

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

What I meant with free reward is that WoC is completely free and handed to you. Yes it has its flaws, but it's FREE content. So are Miku and whatever the new Rit hero's name is.

Beat WoC to get a rit hero is too free?

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Oh no, I have to play the game to get the rewards. Please petty me.

Me, too, I spent at least 5-6 hours to beat all 3 parts, I don't think a rit hero is too much.

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

It's not nothing, but it isn't much either.

It's more than get 99% of the other heroes (except Gwen's husband I think).

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Originally Posted by AndrewSX

Just saying: the only thing i think is legit is being pissed by have to do 70 quests to get a hero, even more if you're planning to do it on more chars.

It's not just 70 quests, you have to do the same plot all over again when you beat NM and with significantly increased difficulty.

Zaph · Feb 14, 2012, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

So you think Razah should require 4 gems rather than just finish NF right?

Getting 4 different gems is as "easy" as doing 4 of the HM WoC quests....

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

Yes, and we already got the NM, 35 quests, harder than any of the main campaign and pretty time consuming, 1 rit hero is too much?

Expansions are mini campaigns, no? I assume it's normal if it requires more then 10 hours of work, even for (only) 35 Quests (...times 2.. for HM).

Slowpokeking · Feb 14, 2012, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Zaph

Getting 4 different gems is as "easy" as doing 4 of the HM WoC quests....

It's surely easier, you can buy them or spent some time to farm them, but the only way to get Zei Ri is to beat all 70 quests(half of them are HM).

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Originally Posted by Zaph

Expansions are mini campaigns, no? I assume it's normal if it requires more then 10 hours of work, even for (only) 35 Quests (...times 2.. for HM).

15 hours of work to get a rit hero? It's not fair and way too much compare to all other heroes.