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whiskas · Mar 23, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

It's somewhat irrelevant how you'll have plenty of rank whenever you start a lvl 1 character. If you play a couple hours a day you can get yourself to lvl 20 in a week. I'd rather look awkward running around old ascalon with a pretty golden rod, than end up losing the rewards of hundreds of PvP wins.

Harley · Mar 23, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

If character has no benefit to the fame at all then it should be account based - but if character is twinked at all - thats just a road that should never be traveled IMO

Ellestar · Mar 23, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Well, i care less about a PvE chars, but PvP chars should share fame because now they're expendable by a game design. Probably that way all will be happy - roleplayers that will use their precious PvE chars with a different levels, personalities and fame and PvP players that will use mostly PvP chars in PvP with a shared fame.

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Originally Posted by Tur713

I think some people would depend too heavily upon this feature and just judge people based purely on that.

Top guild tags mean a lot too. Other than that, how do you want to judge players if you're making a PUG? Yes, Fame is not a good reflection of a skill, but still a player with high fame in average will be more skilled in GW PvP than a player with low fame.

Weezer_Blue · Mar 23, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I really doubt I'll have a constant character that I'll keep forever. Maybe one PvE guy that I'll hold on to as long as I can just because he's far along in the story... But PvP guys? I'll be swapping them out every day once I unlock stuff. Fame should be acount based because as (the) Nash said, you're characters are just tools and in my oppinion, if you suck with one class, you're going to suck with the others as well.

Netrol · Mar 23, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

I'd like it more if it was tied to your account because then it represents you - not your characters. I was under the impression that the game was skill and tactically based and if that is so, then it's not going to vary much from character to character. That and it'd suck to delete someone with a 300 fame staff and start anew if you had or wanted to.

You make the assumption that every player would do just as good no matter what character they used. I find that hard to believe. There are some that might have that ability but not everyone. And if its not a problem for someone to get a high fame level with one character than it should't be a problem for them to get it again with the second or third character.

Kha · Mar 23, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I voted account. While fame does in a way reflect your skills at playing the particularly character, who is to say that they really deserve the fame all the time? Even with one character you will likely try out different skill builds (like I did) and I wasn't always powerful or helpful with each one. I made mistakes and I learned from it. Account fame would show that this person has most likely spent a lot of time working on their character and/or learned from their mistakes and improved their skills at the game.

Just last beta I tried out a bunch of different profession combinations, and it wasn't until I made a E/N that I found a build I really want to play for release. I even kept the character cause I gained 38 fame in an hour or two (I know, not a lot, but for a new build I am proud of it). I don't want to delete the character now to try out other builds cause it's only the second character I have that is ranked.

Maybe there can be character and account fame somehow. I don't know what they will do with fame for release, ie, what else they will add, but maybe personal character benefits are based on character fame (like the staff) while unlocking stuff is based on account fame.

Pantaloon · Mar 23, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I can understand what you are saying, but who is famous, the warrior you have been doing tons of Tombs with, or the new character that you just made. What if you make new role playing character. "Wow, look, that level one is running around with a level 7 fame stick, all bow before him." I think it should stick to character and not the puppet master who is controlling them.

Kha · Mar 23, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Pantaloon

I can understand what you are saying, but who is famous, the warrior you have been doing tons of Tombs with, or the new character that you just made.

Very true. I suppose it all comes down to whether you view fame as a part of the fantasy game or the mechanics of the game, ie, if it is character based then we are aiming at it representing a RP role, but if account based then it is representing a player role. I do like thinking that fame adds to the diversity and role of my character in the game, but it does hurt to get rid of a character that has a lot of fame and you have put a lot of effort into. You may think "I would never delete such a character", but if alterations are made to the professions, skills or equipment that it uses, and your character just isn't fun to play anymore, would you really keep a useless character instead of one you can get fun out of? Our accounts should keep a record of our total fame and our characters keep their own record. Only fair way I can see it being applied. You can't always please everyone, but compromising sure can come close.

Kyraith Mentara · Mar 23, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

The only thing your really cant change is your primary and secondary profession...I dont see why so many people would be deleting their characters so easily, not the ones that have played in PvP long enough to a have that high of a fame. I mean if your characters faults are so bad that you need to start over...why would you have spent hours gaining fame?

Zaklex · Mar 23, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

What, you can't lose fame, well what do you know, I guess that's a bug I should have reported then. Yes, it's true I lost fame(all 1 of it), on the one character that has been constant since the Jan. BWE, the other 3 have been remade at least once. Also, I disagree that a person who is very good with one character will be good with another character, especially if it's a different combo(unless I'm the only person who's like that). So I voted for character based fame.

Kha · Mar 23, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

By alterations, I'm referring to the developers changing the actual game, not you changing your own character. Account fame is just a nice reminder of how much fun and effort you put into PvPing. Not everyone is playing a PvE character that they will put a lot of work into and devout time to. Some people want to create different PvP characters for different team builds with friends and guilds. Account fame could be a reminder to yourself of how you have done overall. I still think character fame should reflect any changes to that character while account fame reflects any changes to your account. I don't see why both shouldn't be used.

Zaklex · Mar 24, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by Kha

By alterations, I'm referring to the developers changing the actual game, not you changing your own character. Account fame is just a nice reminder of how much fun and effort you put into PvPing. Not everyone is playing a PvE character that they will put a lot of work into and devout time to. Some people want to create different PvP characters for different team builds with friends and guilds. Account fame could be a reminder to yourself of how you have done overall. I still think character fame should reflect any changes to that character while account fame reflects any changes to your account. I don't see why both shouldn't be used.

This is a little off topic but replying to the above, remember that when the game is released the only skills available to your PvP characters will be those that have been unlocked by a PvE one, there will not be the option of unlocking all skills.

gangguard · Mar 24, 2005, 05:58 AM // 05:58

well each character should ahve their own fame and rank but the account should have the average fame and rank or the best fame and rank of your 4 characters. The account fame and rank is for the ladder

TheRealDecoy · Mar 24, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Character-based

When you have high fame on a character and you're looking for a group people expect that you will be able to play that character the way that someone good enough to earn said fame would. If fame is account based someone could have very high fame and be a horrible addition to a team because they haven't played their character too much. Character-based fame allows PUG leaders to better gauge the abillity of the players they might invite.

Allah_Mode · Mar 24, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

maybe they should impliment a item transfering system, if this is your only reason for suggesting this.

i vote no

rithien · Mar 24, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

How about if PvP characters share an account tied fame while newly created RP characters would have to start from 0 fame?

Makes sense since PvP characters start at lvl 20 and RP characters start from 1. Also since RP characters are more highly customisable and less likely to be deleted as opposed to the more "disposable" nature of PvP characters. A good compromise between a RP-oriented mindset and a PvP one. But if it were either one or the other i guess i would choose account.

Ranis Harlequin · Mar 24, 2005, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Why not both? Both arguments are valid.

I voted character, since fame/rank would be character specific anyways, and if it were account based, you could load up with one character your good with, and not worry about your lack of skill with other characters. It would actually represent YOU better because of the diversity of skill you would need to succeed.

Idealy, I think there should be a limit to fame/rank per character, and when you play up more characters, it would stack. Although, you could just play one character then start the same character over and over again....but how fun is that?

Lord Kinetic · Mar 24, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Ranis Harlequin

Why not both? Both arguments are valid.

I voted character, since fame/rank would be character specific anyways, and if it were account based, you could load up with one character your good with, and not worry about your lack of skill with other characters. It would actually represent YOU better because of the diversity of skill you would need to succeed.

Idealy, I think there should be a limit to fame/rank per character, and when you play up more characters, it would stack. Although, you could just play one character then start the same character over and over again....but how fun is that?

So you have an overall of all fames added together and each individual character has a fame rating? I guess that would denote multiple characters and people wanting to try different characters rather than feeling tied to one charcter because they want that charcters fame higher.

Agent Dark Bootie · Mar 24, 2005, 04:20 PM // 16:20

i voted OTHER!
this is because i think it should say something like
"<account name> got this famous with his charactar <charactar name>

Luggage · Mar 24, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Fame: 15/208
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