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Soiled Egg Roll · Apr 06, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Congratz, I'm sure it will be an interesting read once I get out of school.

Mumblyfish · Apr 06, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by HotSnack

Btw Mumblyfish, Is that avatar of yours from Spaced?

Aye-aye, boss. It's from Season 1, Episode 4, "Battles". Mike's wonderful 'tool up' sequence for paintballing, a homage to just about every other 'tool up' sequence ever made. I only wish I could abuse some won'drous occurence, some spectacular fluke of cosmic parking, and fit the entire paintballing sequence into one 10kb 64x64 gif. That... that would be the greatest avatar ever. "Groovy".

Six years on, it's still nice to meet another Spaced fan

Darc.Syde · Apr 06, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Nash

Their PvP build is horrible.

well, if their guild is one the doenst like to share their best builds - i dont know if this is the case - i honestly dont think they'll post it.

Aladdar · Apr 06, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Alex stated what I was about to state. It was a pvp intro build, not too tough to get used to and introduce someone into the concept.

Also, how many guilds are going to publish their "uber build of pwnage" for all the world to see.

Jugalator · Apr 06, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Yes, as Alex said our build at that page seem to be the build we use that's not too complex for newbies to "get into". Please keep in mind that we're not a PvP oriented guild, but a very broad one, with a large number of members. We wish to have a team build where players can get to try out and experience GvG without having trained into specific "roles" in the team too much.

Also keep in mind that we're experimenting with more PvP team builds than that single one.

As for PvP builds aimed for PvP focused guilds where the goal can be "dominate the ladder with a small close knit group", well, I'm sure we'll see that in coming weeks.

Silmor · Apr 06, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I was wondering about the number of members listed, being 10000. Is this a case where about 250 are active members, and 50 of those play Guild Wars (among other games)? What is the basis for this number, or can this guild deploy 1250 teams when the need arises?

Freyas · Apr 07, 2005, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Silmor

I was wondering about the number of members listed, being 10000. Is this a case where about 250 are active members, and 50 of those play Guild Wars (among other games)? What is the basis for this number, or can this guild deploy 1250 teams when the need arises?

The Amazon Basin is a very large guild that spans many games. They aren't all into GW, I'm sure, though they're one of the guilds that is hurt by the guild cap. How they handle the situation is up to them, but I'm sure the great folks over at the Basin will be able to come up with a satisfactory solution. As is mentioned in the article, they're mostly a PvE guild, so don't expect them to be spamming the ladder with hundreds of PvP teams.

Congrats to the Basin on being the first guild spotlighted by this new feature!

Deadroot · Apr 07, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Silmor

I was wondering about the number of members listed, being 10000. Is this a case where about 250 are active members, and 50 of those play Guild Wars (among other games)? What is the basis for this number, or can this guild deploy 1250 teams when the need arises?

Our membership number can be misleading at times. The 10,000 is the total number of people that have joined our forums (which is our only requirement for joining our guilds). We have a Basin guild in 6 games, as well as a Main Forum that isn't connected with a specific guild. We've also had a few game guilds that are now shut down due to the game getting old and people losing interest in it. The 10,000 members is a total of all the people on all forums.

Our D2 branch has had the bulk of those members, but it has been around the longest as well. Obviously not everyone is still active, but there are still plenty of active members and new people coming in all the time. Our GW branch has about 400 registered members at this point, and we are over 40 strong in the closed beta.

Hope that cleared things up a little (or confused you more, which is equally enjoyable to me). While we may not have 10,000 active members, there are still plenty of people in our guild. We aren't the type of guild who goes about recruiting folks either, so we aren't trying to be big just for the sake of being big. When it all comes down to it, we only care about having fun with groovy people

Anywho, this was a pretty pleasent surprise, I didn't know the Basin was going to get this (or that this feature was in the works). I really need to start testing again, just been a bit busy...been falling behind on my stalking duties :P

BTW Spooky, there's nothing odd about my wiggles! Well...maybe. But the ladies love my wiggles, so my wiggles they shall recieve

BlackArrow · Apr 07, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Did you guys have a second guild called The Basin last beta? (might have been the one before) I was impressed when my guildies said they beat some guild with basin in their name. I assumed it was you guys until I saw the name was actually The Basin, not Amazon Basin.

Xellos · Apr 07, 2005, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Nash

Sure, you don't have to focus on PvP. But if you are playing PvP, and you are running a team build, why not run a good build instead of a mediocre one?

Nash, your being naive. Read underneath the underneath

Arcala · Apr 07, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by BlackArrow

Did you guys have a second guild called The Basin last beta? (might have been the one before) I was impressed when my guildies said they beat some guild with basin in their name. I assumed it was you guys until I saw the name was actually The Basin, not Amazon Basin.

Our ingame guild is called just "The Basin". Been that way in a couple of games now, iirc.

-Arc

TPJ · Apr 07, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Yeah – don’t let the big numbers paint an incorrect picture of The Basin. We are a large community, no doubt – but that 10,000 number includes nearly 5 years of people registering/visiting our many different forums. Our actual Amazon Basin Guild Member numbers are much smaller. For example, our largest guild is for Diablo II. It currently has about 400 actual guild members. Our World of Warcraft guild has about 250 guild members. And our Guild Wars guild has about 170. The in-game guild numbers for WoW and GW will likely be much higher as we allow Basin Community Members to wear the guild tags along with our guild members. We value the input, dialog, posts, and help our Community Members bring to the table quite a bit. As such, we involve them as much as possible in what we do. They aren’t part of much of the decision making that goes on with regard to how the guilds and/or community is run, but they are important none the less. As such, they enjoy many of the same in-game privileges that our guild members do.

My apologies for the rambling. I was just hoping to clear things up a bit.

Thanks again for the support and kind words. Extra special thanks to Alex Weekes for the work he did on the article. Well done!

Cain · Apr 07, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Nash

Well, they shouldn't publish a build that is "able to hold its own against teams that lack coordination, but it lacks the strength and firepower to defeat well-trained teams utilizing disruptive skills and tactics". Making a build to defeat bad teams is pretty pointless. When your aim is that low you can only achieve mediocrity.

The Basin is probably the guild I enjoy playing with the most. They are always very friendly and always very respectful, both as allies and opponents. While they focus more on PvE, they do have a number of members who are quite talented at PvP. They may not win all their battles, but they fight with dignity and honour and most importantly they have fun. That in my eyes is what's important, not how good their builds are or how they fare in battle.

TPJ · Apr 07, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Thanks Cain! The feelings are mutual, I assure you.

LadyKingel · Apr 07, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Well deserved honor, my dear friends at Amazon Basin. We of the United Legit Gaming Guilds of Guild Wars salute you.

Kudos to your leaders who have long had the vision of what service to the community, and to provide a helping hand to those in need really means. It is most delightful to game with your members and we much enjoy reading your forums---I have been reading them for seven years!

We shall hold a special celebration for you in our Hall of Celebrations...your invitation is on the way!

To Alex Weekes: Thank you good Sir for your thoughtful intercession, and for all you do

...
The game holds so many things within it....it is far more than just PvP and PvE...it brings the world together, and also brings it back together in another way...but only a few understand this.

Thanks A.net..., and a big thank you to AB for being exactly the way you are!

Bravo!
and hugs...
Lady Kingel

Xellos · Apr 07, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

That's overpowered

Amazon Basin has too much fun! Nerf!!

cool interview though! I'm just curious, will all guilds interviewed be posting their builds? Or is this an optional thing?

Davion · Apr 08, 2005, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Amazon Basin.... Nice place to start the guild spotlights on.
Good people there. It will also probably help people thinking about starting their own guilds by giving them a reference for what does or doesn't work.

TPJ · Apr 08, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Xellos

I'm just curious, will all guilds interviewed be posting their builds? Or is this an optional thing?

We were furnished with a document containing quite a few questions. They centered on PvP builds, favorite characters, GvG builds, and guild philosophy. Alex Weekes (of AN) took what we wrote (much MUCH more than was actually published) and rewrote much of it into third person.

Xellos · Apr 08, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I see! Thank you

Sausaletus Rex · Apr 08, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

An intriguing addition to the official site and one, I hope, we'll see more of in the future.

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Originally Posted by Aladdar

Also, how many guilds are going to publish their "uber build of pwnage" for all the world to see.

There are builds of uber pwnage? Oh, right, Backfire on the Monks, good games all around...

Seriously, any guild that would hide their "awesome" strategy isn't a guiold that deserves to be featured. Such guilds aren't participating in the community. They merely stroke their own egos by hiding and concealing something that's going to be outdated in a matter of weeks, if not sooner.

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

It acts as an introduction to PvP, and is designed to do that. No where was it stated that they intend to use the build to try and make a PvP name for themselves ... that build does for them what they need it to do, and could provide a good basis for other like-minded guilds. Once a player has some experience with this build, they can move on to other things.

If the build is designed to introduce people to PvP then it's designed poorly. PvP is inherintly competitive. Not striving to be at your best is striving to lose. So I don't see the point in teaching people bad habits from the start. To teach someone math you start off with 2+2=4 before you get to algebra. You don't start by telling them 2+2=5 or that addition is all there is to know. There's a difference between being simple and being simplistic. Basic or fundamental lessons aren't something to avoid, they're something to embrace. We're not in the second grade here, while it's important not to overwhelm new players with overly complicated and intricate strategies, it's likewise just as important to have them handling something functioning and solid.

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Slamming a build simply because it may not be good enough to take the top of the ladder is just a little short sighted, don't you think?

Slamming a build? That's never appropriate. But offering constructive criticism on a build's failings? There's nothing wrong with that. Not that Nash was very constructive or critical but what I find more disturbing is the attept to quash what might be a legitimate viewpoint. People can disagree around here, so let's all be a little careful about telling others what not to post.