Curse

Mercury Angel · May 22, 2005, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Why's it seem like everybody always continues to attack the most poorly thought out, rashly made statements, and ignores what I post, whenever I post an argument in a topic? >.>

It's sad, because I always try to maintain a balanced perspective and provide reasonable compromise between different ideals and objectives, and I put a LOT of time and thought into what I write, and it just seems like it goes to waste

Maybe I'll just make my own suggestion using some of the ideas I suggested in Sardelac Sanitarium.

By not addressing my statements, you make me think of 2 possibilities:
1) They're either so good that you can't refute them and would rather ignore them.
2) They're so bad you won't give them the time of day.

Either way, I think I lose. I love debate, and I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and ON, because it's fun, even over something as seemingly silly as an aspect of a video game. (and don't think I won't go on and on and on, just ask around, because I WILL

)

That being said, I still don't see why it has to be one way or the other entirely, instead of a golden mean of sorts.

But what is obvious is the bug needs fixing right out, regardless of whatever else may happen. That's just rediculous.

And it's obvious that there're times where many people don't want to see the movies, and if there's a method to make it up to them that doesn't detract from the experience of others, why not?

You know what else might be fun, aside from a mini-game or chat window? That radar doodling tool. It'd be immature, but oh so fun to be able to click a button and see what others, and you, draw on an overlay on the cutscenes. Put mustaches on various characters, write in quippy little commentary, it'd be crazy fun

Of course, like with the radar, I'm sure people would find less than appropriate things to draw, but if that offends you (can't say I'm happy about it), click off the interactive tool and see the movie as it was meant to be seen.

And these are just the random spontaneous crazy ideas of a single person. If everybody accepted the idea of change for the sake of improvement without causing problems for anybody else, I'm sure there'd be 100's of better ideas than mine.

(hope the desperate ploy at the beginning for a little mental loving didn't upset anyone >.> Horrible horrible thing to put forward ideas you've actually put a little effort into expressing only to find yourself ignored :'( )

HOXMAN · May 22, 2005, 08:57 AM // 08:57

My first time playing through the Elona's Reach mission i did not skip the cinematic b/c i wanted to know what to do and see the storyline. I was the 1 out of 8 that did not vote to skip it. Little did i know that if I did skip the mission i would save an extra 2 min. on the mission. After viewing the cutscene the time was at 58 min instead of the full amount of time alotted. After a few runs and some different people joined up along the way, we ended up telling everyone to skip the movie. As i look back i think that was a little hypocritical. Is this a bug?

On another note.. on the solo mission immediatly after you ascend if you sit through the cutscene, you will end up naturally facing your opponent. However if you opt to skip the cutscene due to the fact that you have seen it too many time b/c of mission failure, you end up w/ your back facing your opponent.. leaving yourself vulnerable for attacks. It was only a few missions later that i discovered the "X" key

DismalClown · May 22, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by eA-Zaku

Perhaps it all comes down to if you dont want to watch the movies...be prepared to play with henchmen.

Or do it Mav's way but let people watch them later if they want. But there is no way anyone should miss out on content just because other people want them to.

Mav, pretend for a moment that you wanted to watch all of them, but some other player had the power to cause you to miss out on a part of the game you wanted to experience, how is that right?

So if the majority wins, and I can find a majority of people that say Mav should not be able to participate in PvP or GvG, should we be able to have to power to limit your game experience?

So don't think about it as the majority wins, think about it as everyone should be able to experience all of the game content that they wish to. We all paid for it right?

Mav · May 22, 2005, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by DismalClown

Or do it Mav's way but let people watch them later if they want. But there is no way anyone should miss out on content just because other people want them to.

Mav, pretend for a moment that you wanted to watch all of them, but some other player had the power to cause you to miss out on a part of the game you wanted to experience, how is that right?

So if the majority wins, and I can find a majority of people that say Mav should not be able to participate in PvP or GvG, should we be able to have to power to limit your game experience?

So don't think about it as the majority wins, think about it as everyone should be able to experience all of the game content that they wish to. We all paid for it right?

Well, if you bring it up that way;

There are limits to what a majority can do. Example A, the majority of people want to seriously murder someone in real life, if they do they get away with it? No. Example B, if the majority of people want something in a simple game, they usually get it or at least there is a comprimise met in the middle (see my example for allowing people out of cinematic or letting them watch it by choice)

So while something that affects real life (in your case your example of majority not allowing me or any person to play based on majority choice) versus the majority vote in a aspect of the game, well you can see how thats a flawed analogy.

GW is the first CORPG/MMORPG that I've ever seen or played that forces players to sit through such a thing even when the majority wish to skip onwards. It's getting to the point where the really long cinematics are a chore to sit through, when I sit down to play I am sitting down to play. I'm not sitting down to watch a ingame cinematic, or series of cinematics, I am not sitting down just so I can get up and go do whatever for 5 minutes while 1 guy watches the cinematic, I'm playing to play not watch. It's bad enough the game was advertised as no grind, and the fact I am grinding while having to deal with cinematics..

And to be honest, I'm actually being very calm and polite on the subject since the game has no monthly fee (though I did pay $50 like most people). If I was paying a monthly fee, ArenaNet would be fixing this system or they'd be losing a customer. (please, save your "you wouldnt be missed" crap).

*edit*

And yes, you're right, we all paid and we're all customers who paid for the game we're enjoying. I'm simply saying the system is flawed. Party Leader is a farce, you aren't a leader of anything your only powers are grouping the party in town and that's it, beyond that you are powerless and the whole point of being party leader then is moot and a waste of time. Hell I even listed a very coherent and logical middle ground to meet in; if players wanna watch, let those watch. if players choose to skip, let those skip. if they skip they deal with possibly losing party members and playing "down" people, if they choose to watch they choose to possibly fall behind the party. Fair to BOTH sides, and something that satifies both sides.

Mystical · May 22, 2005, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Crom the Conqueror

Agree, the cinematic should be automatically skipped if the majority of the players wish to skip it. I had been in situations when 7 out of 8 people in my team wants to skip the cine, but just that one last asshole that just dont want to skip , so the rest of us were forced to watch it. And as if thats not bad enough, mobs can attack us during cinematic, now thats one major bug, they really should fix that bug.

Why are you calling people (like me) that's havn't seen the cutscene an a-hole? I want to know what's going on in the story, you may not, but I do.

Cragz · May 22, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Mav

we cant force him to skip even though 99% of the party wants too.

Wow, what? 99%? If 7.92 people wanted to skip a cinematic in an 8 man party there's something severely wrong with the voting system.

Mercury Angel · May 22, 2005, 10:04 AM // 10:04

*sigh*

Performs elementalist dance in undergarments for attention, and when that fails, goes to bed.

Brains before beauty is totally overrated >.<

Not even a single courtesy comment, like, "I see your point, however ..." and then going off on a totally different and irrelavent tangent, but saying that just to make the point that you actually read it.

Is it that they're miniature essay length? (written much longer ones for my Psychology professor about trivial behavioural observation experiments, even.)

Or that I manage to draw out a point for too long?

What do I have to do to get a little loving around here? :'(

(Please bear in mind, it's late, and I'm going to bed after this post, and if you bring it up tomorrow, I'll deny everything

)

At the very least, people who refuse to be anything but firmly on one side of the issue should concede that others may have their character's lives in danger, or may have seen the cutscene so many times, their brain is burning out, whereas, it'd most likely cost more time for the person who wants to see the cutscene to get there again than it would to see it now, and who's to say unless it's henchmen that the exact same situation wouldn't repeat itself?
Both sides would like to say, "Tough, stomach it", and both sides have valid points, yet there've been multiple suggestions, and not all by me, as to how to make everyone win. For starters, EVERYBODY would definitely win if you couldn't die because monsters were killing you during a cut scene.

And since the game is obviously resuming while you watch the movie, and there is testimony that if there is a timer, it goes down while the movie plays, if nothing else, the issue could be settled on a case by case basis, as in the tombs. (which was not my idea!)

Now, the Voice of Reason is going to bed, before she explodes unreasonably for no apparent reason, attributable to lack of sleep, and is taking her pretentious, holier-than-thou, attention whoring, third-person, pseudo-intellectual attitude with her. (just to save people the trouble of saying them themselves

) And if nobody addresses a single point I make by morning, why, I'll just break down and... ignore the topic back. So there =.=

Goodnight all, and don't be TOO stubborn. Concessions must be made for progress at times.

Jahara Zeppelin · May 22, 2005, 10:33 AM // 10:33

To the people who said if more Players vote "No to watch the Cinematic" then the ones who want to see it don't get to:

So it's ok for you to have the priviledge to view the cinematic, but when it comes down to having someone with you who hasn't seen it, there not allowed to see it? Sorry, but that's pure selfishness.

Narcissus · May 22, 2005, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by Xelig

This is quite obviously unintentional and should be /bugged. It's not good justification for being able to force other people to miss out on game content.

Heh, beat me to it.

To the OP: If dying during cutscenes is your concern, shouldn't you be lobbying to have that fixed rather than screeching for a way to ruin the storyline element for everyone else?

Mav · May 22, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Cragz

Wow, what? 99%? If 7.92 people wanted to skip a cinematic in an 8 man party there's something severely wrong with the voting system.

Is this a serious reply? By 99% (based on a 100% scale), if a party of 8 people goes into a cinematic for a mission or quest, it only takes 1 person that does not choose the "Skip" option to force the entire party to view the cinematic regardless of how they voted. The "party leader" is completely helpless as his/her power ends as soon as they leave the town or outpost.

Cragz · May 22, 2005, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Mav

Is this a serious reply?

The maths behind it was quite serious - 7 is not 99% of 8. I understood the rest of the post, just the bolded 99% caught me off guard and I thought I'd right the wrong! I'm a saint like that.

Mav · May 22, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

Heh, beat me to it.

To the OP: If dying during cutscenes is your concern, shouldn't you be lobbying to have that fixed rather than screeching for a way to ruin the storyline element for everyone else?

Dying during the cut scenes is a bug yes. I've had it happen before, several times, yes. And I agree it needs to be fixed, yes.

However my concern is the overall party system and how it operates. I don't wanna repeat myself, for the umpteenth time but, the party leader loses all purpose once outside town. Since it's PvE we don't even have an option to forcefully "eject" someone (not solely because they choose to watch a cinematic but there are literally dozens of reasons; purposely aggroing stuff, getting important mission NPC's killed, etc), and of course the skip voting system itself is flawed. there should be either a comprimise in the middle (read above for my idea on that) or no system at all, its a slap in the face to have a system that is circumvented by 1 person out of 8.

Of course at the end of the day, we aren't paying a monthly fee so its a moot point, I'm simply discussing it in hopes maybe some day if theres time, we might at least tweak the current system if not change it.

Mav · May 22, 2005, 11:14 AM // 11:14

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Originally Posted by Cragz

The maths behind it was quite serious - 7 is not 99% of 8. I understood the rest of the post, just the bolded 99% caught me off guard and I thought I'd right the wrong! I'm a saint like that.

Ah, heh. Well yea the math isn't correct but you can easily see how 7 out of 8 people comprises a 90+ percentile of a group, or to simplify it without math: the majority

*edit* and with that its time for some sleep, ill check in on this thread later today

Luggage · May 22, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44

It's not a vote, it just lists how many wants to skip the cinematic.

iotc247 · May 22, 2005, 01:41 PM // 13:41

I think the current system works other than the fact that people can die asap after the cut-scene. The list is just a list. If it was a vote then it would not be fair to the people who are playing for the first time. Party leaders dont deserve to control the fate of the team either. Their purpose is just to form a team. Sometimes that person will control the group if designated by the team. The game is a team game, that means teams decision. Everyone counts.

Adaria · May 22, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

I'd be pissed, excuse the language, if someone overrode the cutscene for me and I hadn't seen it yet. You get alot of useful info in the cutscenes and it helps link WHY you do things together somtimes.

Such as last night, we finally went back and did Aurora Glade and apparently Glint was talking in the end of the scene. We haven't completed the wilds yet either so maybe another suprise there for us.

If there was a button to override the cinematic, it would cause even more disharmony.

Dying During a cutscene? Interesting, the only thing i've seen die are bone horrors/minions/fiends during one, which is funny listening to them still fighting in the background as you pull away from the shore XD or something like that...

BlaineTog · May 22, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Mav

Again, you are assuming people have seen the cut scene. I've lost count of how many times, and parties, I've been in where we get to a mission none of us have done before, and everyone but 1 guy skips the cinematic, NOT because we've seen it but because we don't WANT to see it.

That's irrelevant. In the end, it still comes down to the slight inconvenience of 7 people against the continuation of the game for 1. You may be bored, but if he's forced to miss it, he's losing out on way more than you.

I think a compromise system would be usful, however. At least give the skippers access to the chat bar!

Rasp · May 22, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

I personally wouldn't want to miss plot storylines just because you don't want to see them yourself. I can understand skipping the cutscenes in missions such as Elona, because of the countdown timer. Otherwise, you should just let others enjoy the game. Forcing your ideas onto others, isn't exactly enjoying the game to everyone.

Daywalka · May 22, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Mav

(and YES, I have gone back to town after a cinematic as a party leader and removed people who do not skip)

I hope I'm never in your group then. That's far more than being a jerk. I like to watch all the cutscenes in the game at least once. Why should I have to take flack because I enjoy seeing every aspect of the story I've spent over 100 hours of my life on? Who are you to decide what I can and can't see?

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · May 22, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

Heh, beat me to it.

To the OP: If dying during cutscenes is your concern, shouldn't you be lobbying to have that fixed rather than screeching for a way to ruin the storyline element for everyone else?

very good point. I agree 100%