Curse

Ramus · Jun 02, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Aria

Like others have said, being a monk doesn't mean that a person is any less entitled to go afk. My primary character is a monk, and as I almost never ever do random pick-up groups, I'm in mission areas quite often with absolutely no intention of partying up with anyone other than guildmates, friends, or henchies.

I don't feel obligated to accept random invitations any more than anyone of any other class. I neither feel guilty, nor do I even notice most of the invites. As a monk, I don't owe anything to that massive crowd of people in mission outposts, just as no one else, regardless of profession, has any obligation to a total stranger to join their party.

Sure, the monk might be afk -- but have you ever considered that they might be talking or chatting with their guildmates, or even waiting for their guildmates to get organized for that mission? Not everything has to be a personal insult.

That's pretty much the exact thing I was going to type up, cept im not a monk so yours worked better.

legacy187 · Jun 02, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

i use a monk, and when i go afk in town i do dance, or in an outpost or wherever i feel like doin it, like some have said were not there just for people like you, i reject parties often just because i get sick and tired of people like you whining and flaming about how were all so useless and never do a damn thing, and you wonder why monks don't join you? your attitude could be one thing... the way you act another, i CHOOSE who i go with and i turn my friends status to offline to IGNORE people like you who flame us just because we wont go along with your group, get over it and get along with your life...

Mimu · Jun 02, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by MaglorD

I think it's easy to tell if you have a lazy monk. All decent monks have either Healing Prayers or Protection Prayers. As long as you see a blue icon appearing under enchantments cast upon you, it's the monk doing their job. The blue icon can be a healing or protection enchantment. If monks heal, you will see blue numbers appear on you. There should be two numbers, one is healing due to the spell itself, such as word of healing, heal other, orision of healing, and the second number is due to the monk's level of divine prayers.

So if you don't see any of these, you have a lazy or useless monk. There are quite a few of those unfortunately. And they are a thousand times worse than Alesia, Lina or Mhenilo.

So smiters are being lazy?

My e/mo character functions as a smiter or healer, depending on what my current party needs at that time.

I just ask people before we begin what they would rather I went for, as I enjoy all kinds of monk skills.

To the OP:

So a monk has to join your party for a mission, or you come and rant about them on a forum?

Right..they are not obligated to help you if they do not want to, the same as any other profession.

Zilm · Jun 02, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

<---- sick of the desert and sick of the healers there...

I understand your frustration with the Ascension quests, especially Thirsty. Can be very difficult to get a pug not afflicted with one silly member, and that is a killer in the missions.

I am a Monk and there was a time I went back after completing the ascension quests to help other groups. I originally completed Thirsty with a Me/Mo, R/E, Mo/E and the rest henches. So what does that have to do with anything? Lots! Strategy, just simple strategy by attcking groups and the same target in the right order. But I'm getting off on a tangent.....

When I tried to help other groups (for free!) with the mission I was always completely ignored even though I stated the strategy to complete it. Then everybody died and then the usual very nasty remarks and such and that I wasn't healing. Now, I'm not saying there aren't some poor monks out there but even the poor ones can keep a smart party alive to do this mission. Monks have a limited energy level and is a little slow to regenerate.

And just because I'm a monk doesn't mean I dont understand proper attack sequencing, target calling, pulling etc........

So, lets not bash the whole class because you are having some difficulties. Tell me your class and I could generalize you too!

When you find a good monk try to ask for permission to add to friends list. I will always add people who have played intelligently as a group.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 02, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

When you say you are a supporting player, and you dont do any supporting, why keep playing that character.

Also remember, that my experiences are about the lame monks out there, most of which I'm sure do not post here, or else they may learn some strategy and be worth their space they are taking up.

Zilm · Jun 02, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

When you say you are a supporting player, and you dont do any supporting, why keep playing that character.

Also remember, that my experiences are about the lame monks out there, most of which I'm sure do not post here, or else they may learn some strategy and be worth their space they are taking up.

So what's the point of this thread? Just to vent? There are all types of poor players out there.

Zodiac · Jun 02, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I think some of the frustration come from not able to find healers. And then in these group of 3, 5, 7, waiting around to fill the last slot (or two) with a healer, they see a lot of monks standing around. Naturally, they would want to ask if these monks want to join. Then, you have monk A, no response, monk B, no response, monk C, no response. You don't know if they are afk, or just ignoring you all together. It does get frustrating after a while.

It's a two-way street, so I sincerely encourage all monks, if you need to afk, just zone to another map, or even, just zone to the international district. If you are chatting, there's really no reason for you to be standing in a mission map and be bombarded by tells/invites. You really can't complain about that when you can easily fix that by just not being there. There's no looking for group flag, so the only way to know if someone is interested is send a tell or an invite.

Or, the devs can add a special afk mode/emote

As far as bad healers go, it will just happen like bad players of any other class. No difference there, except bad healers are much more visible than say, a bad ranger.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 02, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

at least someone else is on the same page as me

Zilm · Jun 02, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

If you have played the monk class you will understand this lack of response.

1. If they have a guild cap on they are probably working with their guild, priority number one. Most good monks are in guilds because of the demand for the class.
2. The flood of constant invites. Do you know how often I am asked by a PM? Almost never. But the spam invites are just crazy at times.
3. Do you have any idea how much time it would take if I had to respond to everyone who invites? I wouldn't be able to play the game. Or maybe thats what all those monks who are just standing around are doing. "Sry, I'm doing another mission".
4. Like it or not lots of Monks do travel through these areas to solo farm. There are some expensive items they may need, raising money for another toon or again helping their guild.
5. I rarely have Local Chat on due to the continuing abuse of selling and buying on it. It's very cluttered at times.

There is an emote for /afk and it looks the same as /sit. And yes I wish all players would use this.

And if its true for one class should be true for all. No one is allowed to be in an active zone and be chatting. All should zone to international to chat.

That should be the thread to start "Proper use of the emote /afk".

Keesa · Jun 02, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I do use /afk, especially if I have a browser window open so I can check where I need to go to finish hunting down my skills. It doesn't help; I come back and I still have so many invites that I can't see them all. And no, I don't think it's fair to tell me I can only go afk in certain zones.

If all you're doing here is flaming bad players, and the fact that you need a monk to be your personal healbot because you chose to play another class is driving you nuts, then substitute the word "bad" for the words "all you" in your subject line. You'll more likely stay off of DNH lists that way.

Zilm · Jun 02, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Keesa

You'll more likely stay off of DNH lists that way.

This is one aspect of many monks out there that I totally disagree with. When in a party do your best for the party. There are a few people out there that get nasty when things go bad. Just keep on going until you complete the quest or the party dissolves. Flaming during a mission is very destructive and not to mention a waste of all party members time.

But a "Do Not Heal List"? How about a warrior "Do Not Meat Shield for Such and Such"?

Stop the flame. It's an endless cycle! Lets talk about solutions.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 02, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Zodiac

I think some of the frustration come from not able to find healers. And then in these group of 3, 5, 7, waiting around to fill the last slot (or two) with a healer, they see a lot of monks standing around. Naturally, they would want to ask if these monks want to join. Then, you have monk A, no response, monk B, no response, monk C, no response. You don't know if they are afk, or just ignoring you all together. It does get frustrating after a while.

It's a two-way street, so I sincerely encourage all monks, if you need to afk, just zone to another map, or even, just zone to the international district. If you are chatting, there's really no reason for you to be standing in a mission map and be bombarded by tells/invites. You really can't complain about that when you can easily fix that by just not being there. There's no looking for group flag, so the only way to know if someone is interested is send a tell or an invite.

Or, the devs can add a special afk mode/emote

As far as bad healers go, it will just happen like bad players of any other class. No difference there, except bad healers are much more visible than say, a bad ranger.

I'll afk where ever I please. If I alt-tab in a mission town because I want to check and see how to do the bonus or something, meh.

Take a henchman if you don't like us taking forever to reject or accept your team invites.

Aug · Jun 02, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

When you say you are a supporting player, and you dont do any supporting, why keep playing that character.

Also remember, that my experiences are about the lame monks out there, most of which I'm sure do not post here, or else they may learn some strategy and be worth their space they are taking up.

Go take a look through the Farming threads

Monks aren't strictly support. In fact, a large portion of those high level monks just standing around are probably setting up their skill bar for solo farming!

Or maybe they'd just rather do the mission with henchmen, because there are even more stupid non-monks than monks. And any stupid player can get your group wiped in a mission.

Keesa · Jun 02, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Zilm

This is one aspect of many monks out there that I totally disagree with. When in a party do your best for the party. There are a few people out there that get nasty when things go bad. Just keep on going until you complete the quest or the party dissolves. Flaming during a mission is very destructive and not to mention a waste of all party members time.

But a "Do Not Heal List"? How about a warrior "Do Not Meat Shield for Such and Such"?

Stop the flame. It's an endless cycle! Lets talk about solutions.

I think you misunderstand me. I have no such thing. Either I join a group or I don't. If I don't like the leader, I don't join the group. If I do join a group, I discuss ahead of time (or try, often times I am ignored) whether I'll be going protection or healing. I heal everyone, even the guy who keeps screaming 'MEDIC' the moment his health bar drops by ten percent. I also don't quit until we're back at the base.

However... those lists do exist. And people who do their best to play their class per their own design do, out of frustration, create them. As long as people were handing out free advice, I thought I'd offer mine.

Adaria · Jun 02, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

My friend made it to the ring of fire with her monk and she got ALOT of abuse along the way, people getting pissed at her for not healing or rezzing them fast enough or something.

Some people don't respect the monks they get in their party, they run off before the monk's energy can get back to full and then blame them when they cannot heal them due to a lack of energy.

I've avoided grouping up with anyone but friends because I'm not in the mood to be in charge of healing for five other people and myself, which sucks, monks have hardly any good self healing spells. It's too stressful to keep track of five or seven other people in a group who are spread out and its your job to heal them.

I've had one bad experience with a monk once, he was a smart-ass and thought he was 'the best damn monk in the game' to put close to his words. He would often refuse to heal a few of us, and cause us more trouble than it was worth, we were only trying to get through Thirsty River and to Dunes of Despair, that didn't happen, he kept messing us up at the teleporter, which we finally had to find a long way around...

Most times with monks i've had a fair time, I always ask if they're healing/smiting or what not. People should always do that so they don't think they're automatically getting a healer just because they are a monk.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 02, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

lol, so your mad when somebody goes to the bathroom... goes to eat... goes... shoot, your just mad they have a life... jealousy

End of story.

stumpy · Jun 02, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Zilm

And if its true for one class should be true for all. No one is allowed to be in an active zone and be chatting. All should zone to international to chat.

True ... but you answer your own statement by ...

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Originally Posted by Zilm

2. The flood of constant invites. Do you know how often I am asked by a PM? Almost never. But the spam invites are just crazy at times.

No other class have I played gets spammed like monks so the need for them to zone has not arised. I'm sure in the tombs the Elementalists are starting to follow suit but in mission based play it is unlikely that any other groups get spammed as bad as monks. This is where the 2 sided blade cuts both parties and builds frusterations.

Yes I do play a monk ... and love it ... it bested my nurfed ranger at half his level.

Also another posted just above me about the amount of abuse that monks deal with in questing and in missions up till fire isles ... I have dealt with this too ... the problem here is people are people ... if they act like animals then they shall be treated like one. Some Elementalist wants to play hero tanker of the century without regenin his 25% himself ... without letting my energy up to at least 50% ... he will die ... I will let him, because he needs to learn to play smarter. Unfortunately I will take abuse for some of my actions but if half of these people were to play in any sort of PvP enviroment they would get owned. This game is based on team play ... if they cant play their roles ... I wont either, and they will see what happens until they learn. If someone directly starts to slander ... gw built a nice function called /ignore ....

So just use common sense and handle your frusterations the best you can ... it will happen in every game you play.

Jab · Jun 02, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

I've said this before and I'll say it again, they really need to lower the importence of healing somehow. There has to be someway to buff the classes so not having X number of monks in your team doesn't mean instant failure. You know there is a major problem when one specific profession is almost always required for people to go on missions.

The funny thing is people don't understand in the late game how useful the proc hench and mhenlo are together. Alone they suck but both on the same team can keep you alive that rivals player monks.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 02, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Jab

I've said this before and I'll say it again, they really need to lower the importence of healing somehow. There has to be someway to buff the classes so not having X number of monks in your team doesn't mean instant failure. You know there is a major problem when one specific profession is almost always required for people to go on missions.

The funny thing is people don't understand in the late game how useful the proc hench and mhenlo are together. Alone they suck but both on the same team can keep you alive that rivals player monks.

A HEALING MONK CAN NOT SOLO NEITHER CAN A WARRIOR WHO DOESN'T BRING DEFENSE

Christ on a mother****ing cracker. As MANY people have said... you can't go totally in one direction without relying on someone else to back you up. A healing based monk can't kill, and a totally offensive warrior has no ability to heal during battle.

If you go into a mission where monsters are doing 200 damage to you, bring amonk with the skill that says for x seconds you can't lose more than 10% of your health to a single attack or skill.

And if you try to bring healing and offensive skills, obviously you're not going to heal as good as the pure healer, or do as much damage as the pure damage based warrior. But you will hit a happy medium. Though of course, you won't be able to take on uber mobs and shit.

Common sense...

Edit: the whole point of this is that healing ISN'T crucial if people bring along defense. But they'll do less damage cause they're turtling. healing Monks need damage classes, and pure damage builds need healing/prot monks.

Spyle · Jun 02, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23

I play a monk(17) and a warrior(20). The monk is very stressful at times. Idiots shouting at you to heal them and when they finally die, they blame it entirely on you.

It's incredibly frustrating when it's a "tank" that is an utter retard. Rushing off in their own direction thinking they can take on the world by themselves, just to die because he ran oor from the main party and you couldn't heal him without abandoning the rest. He dies and says "wtf where was my heal?!" or "heal once in a while you n00b".

Or you announce your energy to the party, showing you have less than 5. But who cares! They'll run into a swarm on enemies anyways and then blame you for not healing. "omgwtfbbqsauce I didn't get one heal!@?#!@"

People cry and beg to get one in their party and then when they do, they insult them. How foolish some people are.

My point is, cut them some slack. They deal with enough crap as it is and don't need twits sending them whispers for a group and then calling them a names because they didn't respond to the strangers request....