Curse

CtrlAltDel · Jun 02, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Who just sit in the towns in the desert, either demanding to be paid to group up, or that just sit there. This isn't doing anyone any good, especially with them fixing any workarounds to Thirsty River, now that is easily the hardest quest in the desert, and yet we just have monks sitting in town not doing anything at all.

Someone said something about how they like how they saw people helping other people out...well wait until you get to the desert because it is nothing but three towns filled with lazy Monks that rarely party up, and when they do...they dont heal or whatever.

<---- sick of the desert and sick of the healers there...

RepinsMirg · Jun 02, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21

They made the last ring in thirsty river easier at first I thought it made the bonus impossible with them agro'ing the king but if you attack the same things he does you can destroy two whole groups in about 30 seconds.

sandstorm87 · Jun 02, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24

In that area are not many monks so those are asked like 100 times a minute so you have to think carefully in wich team you want, ok some of the monks just dont do anything.( i also do that sometimes, -_-**)

and you say thirsty river is hard, but have you already done elona's reach?

CtrlAltDel · Jun 02, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

completed the other two first time through...
did elonas first!

Bamelin · Jun 02, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

Who just sit in the towns in the desert, either demanding to be paid to group up, or that just sit there. This isn't doing anyone any good, especially with them fixing any workarounds to Thirsty River, now that is easily the hardest quest in the desert, and yet we just have monks sitting in town not doing anything at all.

Someone said something about how they like how they saw people helping other people out...well wait until you get to the desert because it is nothing but three towns filled with lazy Monks that rarely party up, and when they do...they dont heal or whatever.

<---- sick of the desert and sick of the healers there...

I'll run you through for 10 plat.

=D

CatLady · Jun 02, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42

The ones who just 'sit there' may be AFK.
Not saying they are....but it's possible. I know if I'm just standing around in town for very long, it's because I'm doing something else, like getting something to eat or web-surfing some info, etc.

Plus I like to use henchies much of the time...which means I don't see half the invites cause I'm 'full up' with henchies.

Mercury Angel · Jun 02, 2005, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Why shouldn't monks AFK in town anymore than anybody else? o.o
And just because they're standing there, not moving or responding to invites, doesn't mean they ARE AFK. They might be chatting with guild members and what-not, you can't really tell without sitting in their seat, or at least watching over their shoulders. They COULD refuse invites, but depending on how long it takes to finish up their business, they may still accept an invite when done. You wouldn't want them to accept, then say, "Hold on a for a couple minutes, a little busy" while the rest of the party is completely ready, would you?

As for 'mercenary' monk requiring pay, that's their choice. They probably had desperate groups offering them cash before, and realize that there will always be desperate groups, it's only a matter of time to find them. There're times where only Alesia, or Alesia and Lina, won't cut it. Don't group with them if you don't want to pay. Odds are, they're pretty arrogant and you won't like them anyway. Think of it as an easy pre-screening for who you don't want.

As for non-healing monks, you've got to think of them the way you do mesmers: Just because they don't do the most direct form of what you want doesn't mean they aren't helping just as much. Just how helpful Protective Spirit was for me in the Underworld was insane. I got smacked for ~300 in a single hit without it, and 50 with it. 250 damage not needing to be healed per hit, and it lasts for decent duration. Smiting spells bypass defence, and through that, I managed to kill Sand Wyrms out in the wild, and deal as much damage as everybody else focusing fire combined on Siege Worms. Everybody else was hurting the worms for very little, as was Zealot's Fire, but Balthazar's Aura was doing 22 damage per second for starters. Not the most impressive thing, but the real point is, all people can be active contributors to the party and produce results as effective as another party member, and depending on the conditions, even more so. (Against large mobs, many of my protection skills are useless. Most of them don't damage enough to be adversely affected by Protective Spirit, Guardian helps, but barely, and Reversal of Fortune usually catches one of the weaker attacks)
If you really need a specific monk, it'd be best to query potential party members BEFORE entering a mission, rather than just assuming things. If you don't even have a working knowledge of your teammates skills, your team may be decent enough to finish some missions, but it definitely falls short of being a 'good' team, and blaming any single person for that is just plain silly.
A 'good' team listens to each other, coordinates efforts, uses effective skill combos using different characters depending on the situation, and probably more.

This just seems like a silly pointless thread.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 02, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

by non-healing monks, i mean monks that join your team and are just dead weight and dont do anything, not buffs, not healing...nothing, i understand the concept of other types of monks, but thats not what this was about

its about seeing a town with tons of Mo/XX20's all over the place not in groups, and there for lots of time!

i have no problem with the few that have crap to do and go do their thing, thats fine, but when you are dancing in town and you are a monk and people are waving at you like mad...comeon

Kazahana · Jun 02, 2005, 07:59 AM // 07:59

i often do /dance on my monk characters when i go AFK

Jackell · Jun 02, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Maybe they like to dance.

Playing a monk doesn't obligate someone to accept whatever group invites come their way, nor does it obligate them to go into a mission when they don't want to.

Maybe they just want some downtime, and to goof off in town for a little.

Pay for monks, their usually annoying to party with, so, consider that a jackass screener.

evilb · Jun 02, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

That's funny, I pay people to let my monk join in their party. LOL

I keep LFG LFG and no one invites me after like 5 mins.

Jun 02, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

When people start learning to bring mesmers and rangers in places like thirsty river you probably wont care if just one is afk.

The Pope · Jun 02, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Monks don't exist to run people through missions.

Mr. Matt · Jun 02, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

i have no problem with the few that have crap to do and go do their thing, thats fine, but when you are dancing in town and you are a monk and people are waving at you like mad...comeon

Like half the people in the entire game, you mean?

It seems rather selfish of you to assume that just because someone's a monk, they're automatically obligated to join your party and do whatever YOU say. In fact, people such as yourself are probably the reason they don't feel like joining parties in the first place. They're sick of being pushed around, shouted at, kicked, spit on...

It's a game. You're playing it wrong if your main objective isn't to have fun. If those monks aren't coming out of town because they don't want to, leave them the heck alone. They're not your slaves, and they'll have fun however they want, not however you want.

And what to do with monks who are jerks? Treat them the same as every other jerk you encounter. Because they're monks that doesn't mean they're automatically above reprisal. Have a polite conversation with them asking them to do something -- something which I'm sure you haven't tried yet, given your attitude here. If they still fail to do their share, kick them out and find someone else.

MaglorD · Jun 02, 2005, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

As for non-healing monks, you've got to think of them the way you do mesmers:

I think it's easy to tell if you have a lazy monk. All decent monks have either Healing Prayers or Protection Prayers. As long as you see a blue icon appearing under enchantments cast upon you, it's the monk doing their job. The blue icon can be a healing or protection enchantment. If monks heal, you will see blue numbers appear on you. There should be two numbers, one is healing due to the spell itself, such as word of healing, heal other, orision of healing, and the second number is due to the monk's level of divine prayers.

So if you don't see any of these, you have a lazy or useless monk. There are quite a few of those unfortunately. And they are a thousand times worse than Alesia, Lina or Mhenilo.

Aria · Jun 02, 2005, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Like others have said, being a monk doesn't mean that a person is any less entitled to go afk. My primary character is a monk, and as I almost never ever do random pick-up groups, I'm in mission areas quite often with absolutely no intention of partying up with anyone other than guildmates, friends, or henchies.

I don't feel obligated to accept random invitations any more than anyone of any other class. I neither feel guilty, nor do I even notice most of the invites. As a monk, I don't owe anything to that massive crowd of people in mission outposts, just as no one else, regardless of profession, has any obligation to a total stranger to join their party.

Sure, the monk might be afk -- but have you ever considered that they might be talking or chatting with their guildmates, or even waiting for their guildmates to get organized for that mission? Not everything has to be a personal insult.

Burem · Jun 02, 2005, 09:58 AM // 09:58

I, for one, turn on dance and leave my monk in hard missions just to taunt people.

Feli · Jun 02, 2005, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Monk is probably the only class out there that is not allowed to go afk...
It is ridiculous how often i get flamed for being an arrogant prick for me not accepting invites.
Geez, i am afk... else i'd just reject or accept. Maybe i'm waiting for guildmates to come along too?
Yet i get flamed on a daily basis for not reacting fast enough. Have you ever played a monk in later missions? It is annoying as hell being in the outpost... even if you are just travelling around unlocking skills you will get spammed by invites and whispers.
If you managed to build up a reputation as a good monk player, your screen just fills and floods with invites and whispers...
Even deactivating all channels but guild will not easen up on the spam i get -.-

Storn · Jun 02, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

I have never asked for money to join a group.

I will never ask for money to join a group.

That's just rude. GW is karmic. You are nice to folks, you get treated in kind somewhere down the line.

Had a great PUG last night, fought through insanely, long mission (that no one had done yet) and won, because of two monks.... at one point, my monk was swarmmed and killed...as was the entire team. Only the other monk got away, came back, rezzed me and together, we rezzed the entire team and went on to win the day, the bonus and the mission.

I love that other monk!

Spirit Firefly · Jun 02, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by Bamelin

I'll run you through for 10 plat.

=D

I will beat his offer and do it for 9 plat