Curse

Crom the Conqueror · May 28, 2005, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by Marginal Propensity

I have recently purchased Guild Wars and have enjoyed the gameplay by myself up to the level of 9. With the game being partially a MMO a new player such as myself should be able to ask questions about things which are not so common to the community around me and have people give some sort of helpfull response. I have played other MMOs in the past and in all of them the people around me were more than happy to help me out and answer my questions. With Guild Wars it is as though no one cares about anyone unless they are in their own guild. I can sit in a major town asking people simple questions without ever getting a response. Why?

Don't get me wrong this is a great game even though I have only played it for about a week now, but the community is making me want to quit already. The majority of the players appear to be selfish at first and offer no assistance what so ever. I could easily be wrong about this, but until I see otherwise I have no reason to believe in game players are willing to help other out.

Basically I want to get someone elses oppinion on this and find out if this is how it just is.

Well, you got us right?

We will all be here for any member if they need help.

I am not going to totally agree that I other game people will help you but not here. I have seen many people call others 'noob' just because they ask questions in many other mmorpgs I have played. It is not just Guild Wars.

Studio Ghibli · May 28, 2005, 05:13 AM // 05:13

It's a certain kind of psychology.

The distance of the internet paired with the fact that there are so many.. faceless people?..

I try my hardest to answer questions when i see them.

Candyman963 · May 28, 2005, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

It's a certain kind of psychology.

The distance of the internet paired with the fact that there are so many.. faceless people?..

I try my hardest to answer questions when i see them.

Here it is, according to Penny Arcade. (Warning: contains swearing)

Having played 2k4 for quite some time, I can attest to that. However, GW seems to have a lot of stupidity floating around as well (larger audiences, I'd guess). I really think it would help if they just had a more organized way of selling things than spamming it's description in Trade every 10 seconds.

I also try to answer questions and discourage people from generally annoying or n00bish behaviors (trade talk in chat channel, spamming "OMG LOL LOOK AT TEH MUNK DANCE!!!!1!!" in chat). Sometimes it seems like I'm an army of one, though.

Goonter · May 28, 2005, 05:55 AM // 05:55

I agree with how a lot of you feel on this issue. This game has a lot of strong points which may keep me around for a while, but the community (in game) is one of the weaker points. This game, for some reason, makes a lot of people looking to increase there own status at the sake of your misfortune. Plus, yeah, it is free so I would assume its easier for more people, (more jerks too) to get into the game. Also, this game seems to inspire some racisim with the whole korea vs. america stuff. I hope the development team is hip to all of this and is making a way to control or manage this.

Ive had my own ideas, here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=13895

Just a little story about something that happen to me today. I was in Hells Pricpice and Ive tried the mission a few times and lost, mostly because someone wanted to hurry up or because 2 or more people logged out mid mission. (if its only one, I press on) Today some monk was offering to team with a group if they paid him 3k. The sad thing is, while Ive been in Precipce, every group I was in or every group that that was looking for players where looking for monks only. (It only took me, a ranger/e, a r/mo and a e/n with henchs to actually beat it) Ive notice these sort of things getting more popular. Players are taking advantage of each other and not really helping.

And that cant be helped completely. Thats just the way the world works for some unfortunalty. But in agreeing with the thread, yeah, it does seem a more rampped here than other games.

Oh yeah? whats up with "noob".
Is it really so bad to be learning instead of knowing? How can we know unless we first learn?
People throw that word around like an insult, but...how insulting is it really? You play games more than I do. ...Im so ashamed.
I dont really get into it with name callers. But I see that word fly around a lot and I see people getting upset about it. It just seemed like the most ignorate thing to insult a person about. I was surprised at how much it caught on.
Its like a 2nd grader insulting a 1st grader for not know the materal covered in 2nd grade.

Chance Folly · May 28, 2005, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I agree with all that has been said so far... I have on piece of advice: Find an intelligent, large guild, and join. Seriously, if you're tired of idiots, it's the best thing you can do. If you're in a very good guild, you can tune out the rest of the game. If it's large enough you can do it all... buy from your guild, socialize with your guild, and do missions with your guild.

Mandy Memory · May 28, 2005, 06:00 AM // 06:00

all the nice people (well not all) and the people with experience (such as alphas and betas) are likely to be at least in the south shiverpeaks by now...and the others may not know the answer...

luis cruz99 · May 28, 2005, 06:01 AM // 06:01

any one got a access key used or a player they don't care i can use or play one some if u do not want can i have plz

Jackell · May 28, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I try to answer people when they ask questions, but as for grouping, well, I'm basically a soloer.

I have to go afk too much to play with people, and my computer drops off to much that 1 out of every 5 times I'm out, I get disconnected, and don't want to leave a group hanging.

You can add me to your in-game friendslist if you want, I'm usually happy to answer any question that I know the answer to.

luis cruz99 · May 28, 2005, 06:03 AM // 06:03

any got a player they do not want or they don't care if i play on it i will do any thing

luis cruz99 · May 28, 2005, 06:07 AM // 06:07

dose any one have a player they do not want or don't care if i play on it i would do any thing plz

luis cruz99 · May 28, 2005, 06:14 AM // 06:14

any one got a player u do not want or i could play on if u do not care i would do any thing

Adaria · May 28, 2005, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Um... don't go asking for free accounts again o_o;

That leads to trouble round these parts...

Cindare Sunstriker · May 28, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

Just logged from spending bout an hour and a half with a new monk -- showing him around, answering questions, etc. -- most of what I know I learned by doing, but I know what it feels like to be completely lost/new... and I remember with much warmth the people who took the time to help me in other games. Just paying it forward as I can. Karma matters.

Candyman963 · May 28, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Goonter

Oh yeah? whats up with "noob".
Is it really so bad to be learning instead of knowing? How can we know unless we first learn?
People throw that word around like an insult, but...how insulting is it really? You play games more than I do. ...Im so ashamed.
I dont really get into it with name callers. But I see that word fly around a lot and I see people getting upset about it. It just seemed like the most ignorate thing to insult a person about. I was surprised at how much it caught on.
Its like a 2nd grader insulting a 1st grader for not know the materal covered in 2nd grade.

New player == "politically correct" term for someone who has not played the game long and thus does not know much about it

n00b == Disparaging remark directed at people who, regardless of the actual amount of playtime, seem to be much better at making other players hate them than actually playing the game effectively. General things to look out for: frequent unnecessary swearing, failure to effectively use any known language when communicating, inability to cooperate with others and accept constructive criticism, constant whining, other generally annoying and immature behaviors

For some comparisons, see below:

Looking for new areas:
New player - Hello all. Does anyone know how I can get to Granite Citadel?
n00b - OMFG sum1 take me to Granite Cit!!!!!1 Will pay lots! (which turns out to be 150gp)

Upon reading the line, "<player name>, please stop aggroing so many big groups at once.":
New player - Oh, sorry. What does aggro mean, and how do I stop doing it?
n00b - FU I qiut *disconnect*

Upon dying in combat while the fight rages on:
New player - Could somebody plz rez me when they get a chance?
n00b - rez me
rez me
rez me
rez me
FU all, us ux *disconnect*

Now, I'm not saying everyone has to type like a secretary, but (for example) "CN u geiv me that ham i want it" is not an acceptable way to ask another player to give up a hammer that has dropped in a sane world.

For another example of "n00b"-type behavior, please see all recent posts by luis cruz99 (assuming they have not been deleted) and tack "blatant disregard of community rules" on my above definition

Helios · May 28, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by luis cruz99

any one got a player u do not want or i could play on if u do not care i would do any thing

I'm glad this idiot finally got banned...

Anyway,
If you reallly want to get involved in trying to keep the game clean, all you have to do is take a screenshot and report it. Some of my friends and I do this every time someone says something racist, sexist, or talks about what their mother did with some farm animal. Don't get me wrong, I won't try to report someone who uses profanity after they died in a tough mission. You won't be able to wipe these people out, but at least they'll get the message and cut back or stop. If anything, they'll be banned and it'll be a while before they figure things out and get back on.

Teufel Eldritch · May 28, 2005, 09:44 AM // 09:44

I had someone report me(at least he said he did) for using the word "dumbass." It was a while back & the party was doing the Northern Shiverpeaks stuff. The quest where you have to rescue the npc dwarf? Well anyway... the npc dwarf said that he had been caught again & I jokingly replied to the npc dwarf "You're a dumbass! Dont let it happen again!" which all but one in the party laughed at. The individual in question asked me politely(he was polite I will give him that) not to swear... I replied that I hadnt sworn(dumbass to me is not a swear word anymore than jackass or smartass is), he replied that I had indeed sworn & was reporting me for it. Yay! Horray for beady-eyed snitches!

Vermilion Okeanos · May 28, 2005, 09:49 AM // 09:49

I always answer question if i see one in the chat... but I don't visit major town often =/

I play outside of the economy almost completely...

Aaaaagh · May 28, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

First of all, other than the main post I havent read what anyone has said, so if I repeat anything it must be right =P GW has no monthly charge, this will take the average age of the game down. Teenagers are often jerks, its the hormones really.

Secondly, the community is alot like the real world. 98% of people just dont really give a darn about you, and the 2% who do only care about you because it makes them feel good; so really they care about themselves. (Friends and family discluded.)

There are people who are patient enough to help a person out, or answer a simple question without being an ass. Ill answer questions, but I dont hold hands and do quest walk-throughs. Except for my guildies, and thats where this all leads. Find a good guild for you, most likely a mature one who will be willing and able to answer the 100 questions that we all have when we start a game like this.

CatLady · May 28, 2005, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Myself, I try if I know the answer, but often I don't, since I'm still no expert on the game. I'm also kind of a loner as well, so usually if I'm in town it's because I'm hurrying to the merchant to sell stuff and then I dash out again etc...I barely even notice there's chat on my screen, since my chat window is usually 'closed' and the words blend into the background.

Also, many times people ask questions that aren't easily answered/explained in a short response or two. In those cases, I often direct people to this forum/site.

Overall tho, I'd agree that at least on the surface, the world of GW is a very quiet one where people rarely respond or talk. But many may be 'whispering' or have general chat off.

Helios · May 28, 2005, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

I had someone report me(at least he said he did) for using the word "dumbass." It was a while back & the party was doing the Northern Shiverpeaks stuff. The quest where you have to rescue the npc dwarf? Well anyway... the npc dwarf said that he had been caught again & I jokingly replied to the npc dwarf "You're a dumbass! Dont let it happen again!" which all but one in the party laughed at. The individual in question asked me politely(he was polite I will give him that) not to swear... I replied that I hadnt sworn(dumbass to me is not a swear word anymore than jackass or smartass is), he replied that I had indeed sworn & was reporting me for it. Yay! Horray for beady-eyed snitches!

I've seen the dwarves say "damn it." What? Did that guy report that to ANet too? I would never report someone for swearing, but if you can't handle the word dumbass, you shouldn't be anywhere near an internet connection...