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Jedsia · Jun 10, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

You dont lose them. They become inactive. If you switch back, you regain them all back.

So if the purpose to Ascend at lvl 3 is to gain skills for PVP for different classes, it's kinda a longer route,....if you can just unlock everything with one character and simple go to the ghosts and ask to be put back to a certain class.

You can unlock all the skills and you keep them all, they just become inactive. Go back and reactivate a class and all your earned skills from that class will become available again.

I know this because my monk changed from Elem to ranger for a short time, trying it out, then went back to Elem and all my skills were back.

Seems much simpler than Ascending multiple characters for the purpose of unlocking skills from every profession. And takes away some of the argument you HAVE to grind missions to gain access to all professions.

So ArenaNet already made it so you only have to level one character. After that, you can make an instant level 20 PVP character and use all the skills and items you unlocked with your Roleplaying character.

Volarian · Jun 10, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I think levels on armour similar to requirements with items is superb idea - then there wouldnt be anyone ascending at level 3, or being lvl 10 in arenas with lvl 20's cause they'd get pwnd for lack of skills, protection & ability to do dmg.
The ready-made lvl 20 PvP character (IMO) is a design to pit - skill/strategy against skill/strategy and therefore you HAVE everything you need from the start. The PvE is to experience the storyline, adventure and actually lift a finger to gain what the game/world has to offer.
Why do sooo many people only care about INTSTANT gratification.....??? w/e

asdar · Jun 10, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

First off, who cares what someone else does in PvE, it's not you against them unless you choose that approach. Enjoy the game.

Secondly however I think the original poster reveals a legitimate kernal of crisis.

I loved the 10 and under Ascalon arena. It gave me a chance to mess up and learn PvP with my real PvE character. On my second character I go into the arena and I have yet to go a round without someone on one of the two teams wearing Draknar's armor.

Even with my original character I'd often see players with max damage swords but I just brushed that off as skill in the gold side of the game. Draknars armor is Not someone that knows how to garner gold and trade for the best gear. They had to be run through Lornars.

That's the real crime. If players want to rush through the game and it only affects themselves I don't care. I don't care if you get a cheat code to get through either as long as it doesn't affect my play.

When you're cheating other players in the lower arena's however that's another story and should be addressed by ANet.

Juhanah · Jun 10, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

How in anyway it affect your game that someone ascend at lv3? They are not stoping you from playing or anything. The only reason i would see why it could piss off someone to see people ascend at lv3, is because they also want to do it but are unable to.

It's not like he botted/leached his way to lv999. Not like he's getting any benefit over all other because he ascended with a lv3 character. It's not like you're paying $15/months for 10 years to get to lv2 while he get to lv20 in a week.

If he managed to beat his mirror at lv3, good for him. I probably couldn't and i don't care at all. It wont stop me from playing the game and having fun doing so. It's not like i'm gonna say "OMG! I worked so hard to ascend and this guy just have people run him through the whole game at lv3!!".. This is not a job, it's a game.

How does it cheapen the game? And what you say about closing Lornar's Pass make no sense. How can it ruins the PvE environement? Have you even tried to reach Droknar's Forge from Lornar's Pass?

All i see in your post is jealousy. It's like "If i can't do it then nobody else should" which is very selfish and this is the kind of thinking that would ruin the game in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jedsia

Is this really asking too much. I mean, it really does cheapen the play in my opinion, to know that I spent hours going through the game as it was meant to be played and someone else can come along and just skip through it all and get the same benefit. Kinda takes the importance out of Ascenion in my opinion.

Game:

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Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=game

An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: party games; word games.

Work:

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Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=work

Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something.

If only people would stop thinking a game is somekind of job that they have to work through..

Algren Cole · Jun 10, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Juhanah

How in anyway it affect your game that someone ascend at lv3? They are not stoping you from playing or anything. The only reason i would see why it could piss off someone to see people ascend at lv3, is because they also want to do it but are unable to.

It's not like he botted/leached his way to lv999. Not like he's getting any benefit over all other because he ascended with a lv3 character. It's not like you're paying $15/months for 10 years to get to lv2 while he get to lv20 in a week.

If he managed to beat his mirror at lv3, good for him. I probably couldn't and i don't care at all. It wont stop me from playing the game and having fun doing so. It's not like i'm gonna say "OMG! I worked so hard to ascend and this guy just have people run him through the whole game at lv3!!".. This is not a job, it's a game.

How does it cheapen the game? And what you say about closing Lornar's Pass make no sense. How can it ruins the PvE environement? Have you even tried to reach Droknar's Forge from Lornar's Pass?

All i see in your post is jealousy. It's like "If i can't do it then nobody else should" which is very selfish and this is the kind of thinking that would ruin the game in my opinion.

what he said.

you've got mental issues if you give a shit about what other people are doing in the game....atleast if you care enough to take the time out of your day to post about it.

Jedsia · Jun 10, 2005, 03:58 PM // 15:58

How did this go from a disccussion to a flame?

No, I'm not jealous of those who can get to Ascension at level 3.

I'd rather see level requirements on armors than close the pass, since it is a tough journey and low levels still manage to make it with high level escourts.

So a level requirement would be much more reasonable. I dont think once I've been unreasonable about this. Nor close minded. Thoroughout the discussion, suggestions have been made.

And I'm the one being called arrogant and other names and being flamed. When this was a dicussion on how to make the game more balanced and fair overall.

Judas Hawksriff · Jun 10, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Agree completly!
I went to searing with my lvl7 N/Me - only to be partied up with a lvl3 R/E and two lvl2 W/R ... needless to say - we got pwned!

Algren Cole · Jun 10, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Jedsia

How did this go from a disccussion to a flame?

No, I'm not jealous of those who can get to Ascension at level 3.

I'd rather see level requirements on armors than close the pass, since it is a tough journey and low levels still manage to make it with high level escourts.

So a level requirement would be much more reasonable. I dont think once I've been unreasonable about this. Nor close minded. Thoroughout the discussion, suggestions have been made.

And I'm the one being called arrogant and other names and being flamed. When this was a dicussion on how to make the game more balanced and fair overall.

because it doesn't effect your game at all....there's no reason to care.

Jedsia · Jun 10, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

There's a difference between constructive posting and replies and just name calling with little input other than calling me an arrogant mental case.

Personally, I'd prefer to see constructive suggestions. Not attacks on me because of a suggestion.

Algren Cole · Jun 10, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Jedsia

There's a difference between constructive posting and replies and just name calling with little input other than calling me an arrogant mental case.

Personally, I'd prefer to see constructive suggestions. Not attacks on me because of a suggestion.

THERE IS NO REASON TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION...IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

Moskel · Jun 10, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

There is a lot more to this game than levels. If a L3 is ascending we're looking at a very absolute extreme. It is hard to make it to the desert and not be higher level than that by accident.

My most recent character through has skipped almost all of the missions? Why? Because I've done them countless times with my first 2 (the times they did it and all the times I helped pull guild mates through that were stuck).

Would you join a PuG led by a L13 R/Me at Elona? Those that did last night sure were glad, we finished with around 11 minutes left on the timer and had only 2 deaths the whole run (one little SNAFU with a bridge and a bunch of Forgotten on it and a Sage hiding).

After the Elona PuG we ran down to Dunes to open that up, who was the one who survived and zoned in? The L13 ranger (you don't wanna know how many times I've run guildies through the desert) thanks to a very timely Res Signet use as we entered the final Canyon and a Forgotton Bow got a nasty critical

Everyone else died shortlly after that and I finished the rest of canyon run.

DarrenJasper · Jun 10, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

From your original post:

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Originally Posted by Jedsia

And it ruins the Pve enviroment that low levels are getting this stuff so early and benefitting from friends carrying them to the desert.

How, exactly?

This is the question everyone is asking, could we have an answer please?

LoneDust · Jun 10, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

How, exactly?

Obviously, those who are not in a guild or has no in-game friends feel that they are not loved, and hence their PvE experience is ruined!
/sarcasm

I don't see how this is a big deal at all. The only problem would be the armor difference in lowbie pvp arena. However, the lowbie arena itself doesn't have a leveled playing field anyway (attribute points, weapons damage for example).

Jedsia · Jun 10, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Ok, perhaps it effects PVP much more than PvE, though having the high level stuff on lower levels can impact PVE if you like to group with random people.

Just because it doesnt always directly affect me doesnt mean I cant make a suggestion about gameplay. And if ArenaNet doesnt change it, oh well, I wont lose sleep. I won't quit the game because "they suck".

I'll just go on playing. But part of this game is the idea that ArenaNet says they want input from the players and that was input. I just dont see why it has to become a hostile enviroment to make suggestions and discuss.

And yes, it's just a game. Anyway, the thought was put out there. What they do with it, is up to them. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over justifying what I feel to be reasonable concerns.

Rothgar · Jun 10, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Holy crap, this fourm is really getting crowed by @$$hats. And I'll risk the conquecenes for cursing if its necessary to say it.

Jedsia had a ligitimate suggestion/discussion topic and we've got a whole bunch of loosers attacking the guy, not discuessing the issue.

And yes, the Ascension at level 3 effects everyone in the game, and if you can't see why, its pretty obvious, get a clue.

Personally I have not yet formed an opinion on this yet, and I'd would have really like someone with more then 2 braincells debating both sides of the issues with ligit arguments and informed opionions.

Algren Cole · Jun 10, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Rothgar

Holy crap, this fourm is really getting crowed by @$$hats. And I'll risk the conquecenes for cursing if its necessary to say it.

Jedsia had a ligitimate suggestion/discussion topic and we've got a whole bunch of loosers attacking the guy, not discuessing the issue.

And yes, the Ascension at level 3 effects everyone in the game, and if you can't see why, its pretty obvious, get a clue.

Personally I have not yet formed an opinion on this yet, and I'd would have really like someone with more then 2 braincells debating both sides of the issues with ligit arguments and informed opionions.

no....

asdar · Jun 10, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I hope it didn't sound like I was flaming you Jedsia. I didn't mean to and realize upon re-reading my post it may have sounded like it.

I do think that the low level arena is the only real problem with this whole power levelling thing. That's not so much about ascension however and more about the Lornar's run and over twinking low level char's and playing in the arena with an unfair advantage.

I've done the Lornars group the hard way at level 17 and made it through fighting and anyone that could take a level 3 and make it that way I don't have all that much of a problem with, although I still don't think it's fair to go to the 10 arena with it.

Lornar's groups that take a low level char don't usually win through. One character, usually a war/Mo runs through. I won't share how this is done but I was the biggest skeptic until I saw it with my own two eyes.

DarrenJasper · Jun 10, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Jedsia

Ok, perhaps it effects PVP much more than PvE, though having the high level stuff on lower levels can impact PVE if you like to group with random people.

Just because it doesnt always directly affect me doesnt mean I cant make a suggestion about gameplay. And if ArenaNet doesnt change it, oh well, I wont lose sleep. I won't quit the game because "they suck".

I'll just go on playing. But part of this game is the idea that ArenaNet says they want input from the players and that was input. I just dont see why it has to become a hostile enviroment to make suggestions and discuss.

And yes, it's just a game. Anyway, the thought was put out there. What they do with it, is up to them. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over justifying what I feel to be reasonable concerns.

People are getting perturbed because it very much sounds like you're trying to limit the way some people play their game, without really any valid reason to do so since, as you've admitted, it doesn't affect you. They figure, if it's not hurting anyone why are you so up in arms about having it stopped? And I'd tend to agree. I think if you go back and read over your original post you will agree your tone sounded pretty demanding.

As a PvP player, I could give a damn whether my opponent spent hours punching out idiot AI with idiotic PUGs or braindead henchmen. I completely understand the desire to skip all that claptrap if all you want to do is PvP.

I think you'll find people react with hostility when they feel like you're just trying to impose your own system of morals onto other people's game, and I don't think it was out of line to call you arrogant for it. If it's not hurting you in any concievable way, you really have no right to demand it be changed.

Icarium · Jun 10, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Rothgar

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And yes, the Ascension at level 3 effects everyone in the game, and if you can't see why, its pretty obvious, get a clue.

Then help me out, if i ascend at lvl 3 , how does it affect your game play? how do you even know that i have? , what if anything, does it change for you? i mean OTHER than " its so unfair " or whatever . . . i have not seen anybody explain why other than "they" feel cheated it shouldnt be allowed. keep in mind this isnt a flame, i HONESTLY want to know.

asdar · Jun 10, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Jedsia you have a good point about wanting legitimate low level groups. It's not the same doing the Ashes quest with someone wearing Draknars and carrying a max damage sword.

Ascension isn't really the problem in that way because once a character ascends they're level 20. Lornars still might be.

If anything ascension improves that situation because it'll keep the twinked alts (2nd char's with hand-me-down awesome gear) from levelling with normal Pick up Groups.