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dinglenut · Jun 16, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Play as a monk, you get to hate noobs, and experiencned people equally mostly of the warrior class which imo is the noob friendly class, so most of my groups have max 2 warriors just as meatsheilds, and if they aren't in my guild then i don't take warriors, too much risk/frustration/healing needed to deal with them.

Old Dood · Jun 16, 2005, 12:30 PM // 12:30

When I play with New Players (n00bs) I have a pretty good time. I state the Rules before hand. To STOP...HEAL...Etc. When they don't I let them die. Then they have to listen to me before I rez them. So for the most part they listen and are thankful for the lesson.

Experianced players can be Arrogant. Don't care about anyone except themselves. Quit right after they get a Bonus or whatever. Even though others in that group needed to finish the mission.

But then again Good Experianced players are a joy to play with. They work as a team. Stop for others to recharge/heal and then understand that there is a plan to finishing the mission/quest.

Kaht Khan · Jun 16, 2005, 01:41 PM // 13:41

The real noobs will often listen and try to improve. They know they are noobs so they'll typically pay attention to those that both come out as experienced and actually explain instead of just flamming.

The real experienced ones will try to teach the noobs (instead of just bitching). They will also often start groups and/or help with player selection in order to keep the group balanced.

The ones i really dislike are those that
a) Have played long enough to not think of themselfs as noobs anymore, and yet never aquired enough insight into how other classes work to really be experienced
b) Are loud and obnoxious about their "informed" opinions

A tipical example of the later type would be a player that has brough a W/Mo till the trials of ascention, has never played as a caster, rushes to the next mob even after the team's monk has indicated he has 2 Energy of 40, and afterwards will bitch all about how the monk didn't heal them.

Algren Cole · Jun 16, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Navaros

in my view there is nothing at all wrong with criticizing horrible players for their horrible playing. if they are wasting the time of good players by joining non-n00b parties, then they deserve all the barrage of comments that are gonna come their way for making the good players lose

i vote for n00bs all the way

you take internet gaming too seriously...and I think you need to seek some kind of professional help before you become the butt of every joke at the family christmas party because you had a ****ing aneurism over Guild Wars.

kenris · Jun 16, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Devts-Waver

I see almost 5 times as many snobby experienced players than irretating noobs. Actaully, on second thought, I have ONLY seen snobby players and little if not zero noobs that bug me. So I want to get your votes on this.

Who do you hate more, snobby and more experienced players that think they know better than everyone else. Or do you hate the regular noobs more?

I vote experienced players.

EDIT

I have rephrased the question due to people telling me it's confusing.

from my understanding
this is between those that either know nothing about it/just suck at it vs those that go around acting as if they are better then everyone else/know everything about the game

in my opinion, both groups, should be combined, because that most in that second group, could also very easily be put into the first

so i vote neither, because i hate em both the same

Alzbeta · Jun 16, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Sir Hammonsweet

I vote people who think that since they are experienced and so "1337" at a video game, that it constitutes their condescending attitutes to people who don't sit in front of their comps for 12 hours a day and jerk off to news of upcoming expansions.

Hear, hear! /applause

Epinephrine · Jun 16, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by Feli

Whenever i form a group i ask for people that are NOT Pro.

Lol, good. I don't want you in my group anyway :P

To be fair, there are many experienced players who aren't jerks about it. I've played a nice long time, and I am still polite, and will explain things to new players. There are many n00bs (as some call them) who are eager to learn, and once instructed on how to pull, how to target, to move to cluster the enemy and so on are perfectly competent.

My only beefs are players who won't listen to strategies and get me killed. If you can use the lump on your shoulders you and I will get along fine. Experience shouldn't be scoffed at, but neither should inexperience - only ignorance, arrogance and rudeness.

I really hate calling a skill like "I am using Shaodw of Fear on XXXXX" when the XXXXXs are nicely packed and we haven't engaged yet, and the gung ho freaking warrior charges at my call, thinking that's good. It takes 2 seconds to complete, and they'll start for us when it resolves. Don't rush, you pull them out of my AoE. Learn what the classes do, and wait - you should at LEAST know what's an Area spell, and if one person starts the assault with one, DON'T pull them out of it before it goes off. Seriously.

Algren Cole · Jun 16, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

generally I have no problems with "n00bs"....as I still consider myself one(lvl 14 just completed Frost Gate mission)...My only problem is people that don't understand their classes strengths and weakness. I'm a R/W....I like to attack from range as my character is more suited for it, but if need be I will rush in and give the warrior a chance to heal by taking over the tank position for a while. I'm not confused as to what I can and can't do...I can't aggro 19 mobs all at the same time.....so I DON'T.

last night when playing Frost Gate we had a healer that continued to use an Area Heal during battles. We told 'her' that the Area Heal heals the mobs as well....and everytime she said "oh ok thanks newb".....and yet continued to use it. There was many a battle I thought we were going to get spanked in just because 'she' continuously healed the mobs.

If you play your class the way it was meant to be played....and realize the strengths and weaknesses of your class you should be fine. You'll atleast appear to be an experienced player....even if you aren't

DavenXion · Jun 16, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

There is a very big difference between n00b and newbie. I love newbies, I'll port back to Asc, give away free stuff, advice and help on quests, etc... but I'm seeing a rising trend of level 20 n00bs.

I'm on my 3rd PvE char and am just a few missions past Lions Arch. There are quite a few lvl 20 in all districts which at first I didn't want to party with because I assumed they were bonus quest seekers who'd be mid game droppers. Get into a lower (15-17 group) who picks up 2 20's as our last spots. Our lvl 20 W/mo was loosing life 3 times as fast as anyone else, aggroing groups half a mile off the beatin path, and asking things like "are those your bone raptor things? they're awsome" Our lower lvl groupies were chasing right in his foot steps because "he must know what he's doing, he's lvl 20."

.....I was forced to become elite. After many tries of coaxing or simply leading the right direction, I, I just snapped. Comments like "Does anyone else know the bonus? Didn't think so, now would you please go the right way?" and "I don't want to waste 1,000 XP just so you can go kill some lvl 12 fire imps!" Constent pinging, and Arrows drawn two or three times on the map, still netted our uber l33t w/mo going off like a bulldozer through a bomb field, and the mid-levelers (who'd realized maybe I knew what I was talking about) and myself having to run save him several times.

Read my other posts, I'm not an angry person. But level doesn't = knowledge.

Creston · Jun 16, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Devts-Waver

I see almost 5 times as many snobby experienced players than irretating noobs. Actaully, on second thought, I have ONLY seen snobby players and little if not zero noobs that bug me. So I want to get your votes on this.

Who do you hate more, snobby and more experienced players that think they know better than everyone else. Or do you hate the regular noobs more?

I vote experienced players.

EDIT

I have rephrased the question due to people telling me it's confusing.

The only thing I hate is self righteous idiots on this forum who keep saying something doesn't happen when in fact it does and is fixed in the next patch.

Hope you're enjoying your crow fellas.

As for your question, shrug, if someone is snobby but works well and gets me through the mission, I have no problem with him.
Similarly, I have no problem with n00bs, as long as they are willing to LISTEN to advice, and act accordingly.
Someone who doesn't listen to advice and still messes up, I don't hate him, I just won't play with him. The worst is probably the snobby n00b. Ie, the one person who THINKS he knows everything, then charges into a mob of avicara and gets butchered within 0.004 seconds, then bitches at the team that they didn't heal him / support him / protect him / kiss his ass enough.

As for what's more prevalent, I guess that depends on the area you're in. I've been pretty successful with PUGs actually, I think I've only ever been in ONE that was totally useless and inept.

Yesterday I ran Surmia for the xxxxxx billionth time, with a couple of experienced people, but there was one girl who had never done that mission before, so I took the time to explain things to her, what we were doing, why we were doing it, and I got a message from her after the mission thanking me for my time and that she had really enjoyed playing that mission with me.

What more can you want?

Creston

Algren Cole · Jun 16, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Creston....PARTY WITH ME!

Creston · Jun 16, 2005, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Creston....PARTY WITH ME!

Feel free to whisper me in game anytime Algren

Shauna Wolfsclaw - E/Mo 20 somewhere in the Southern Shiverpeaks
Arlen Daodanar - W/Mo (yes I know it's a n00b combo :P )12, still in Old Ascalon.
Eldridge Shadowhand - N/R 17, kinda stuck in Kryta, as the undead keep kicking his ass. Was my first character, but I haven't played him in forever. I need to find some way to rebuild him.

I'm always happy to help someone out, or to just join up and explore, do some quests, whatever.

When I built my W/Mo, I got teamed up with a lvl 3 newbie (definitely not a n00b, even though he classified himself as such) in the arena pvp at the end of Pre-Searing. The team opposing us was actually 2 level 2s, so my W/Mo 8 was brutally massacring them until I just stopped, because I didn't want to ruin the other teams marginal enjoyment of the PvP completely

In any case, the newbie on my team asked me a ton of questions, I gladly helped him out, and wished him good luck once I dropped him off in Ascalon City. The next day (yesterday), he messaged me with some questions, so I gladly took time out again to answer them, and then I provided him with 75 bones, tanned hide squares, parchment and money so he could buy himself some decent kit. Then I helped him find Sardelac Sanitarium and do some quests. Had a great time doing that.

The point is, I guess, that there is a DISTINCT difference between n00bs and newbies. I was a newbie too, not even that long ago.

I'm always happy to help out a newbie, I'm also happy to help out a n00b. I have NO patience, however, for people who simply won't listen if you're trying to help. Those are the REAL n00bs, and their level doesn't matter one bit.

Creston

Crystal NightingGale · Jun 16, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

I don't mind if they are noobs are experienced players, as long they don't act stupid

Devts-Waver · Jun 16, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Wow, I got alot more responses than I thought! Sadly though, it seems the people who voted noobs are the very people described as expeireanced, lol (no offense). But to each his own I assume.

Reiden Argrock · Jun 16, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

All in All, I think your view of people is a bit warped.

the term Noob is like the word gay, most people don't even know what it means anymore.
I also don't understand how you could have a snobby+experienced player, most snobs/stuck up jerks, tend to ruin the mission or quest or whatever your doing because they think they are in charge and try to run things in a foolish manner and usually end up pulling lots of agro, rushing into talking mobs before we get the bonus mission, or just going in and dieing, pulling in the monks who try to res and then they die to, and then everybody quits.

This in your terms would also be called a NOOB.

So you really don't have a poll/question here, you have two options which in fact refer to the same kind of player.

So to put up some kind of answer, I would rather play with henchmen than anything you have posted here.

Tutompop · Jun 16, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Devts-Waver

Wow, I got alot more responses than I thought! Sadly though, it seems the people who voted noobs are the very people described as expeireanced, lol (no offense). But to each his own I assume.

Staying strictly within the two options given to us could you expect any less? I would rather put up with some arrogant sob who drove me up the freaking wall with his attitude if he knew what he was doing and we made progress. I've grouped with both kinds and I may not like it in either case but I would rather be miserable and make progress than be miserable and have to try again.

Preferably, I would group with experienced people willing to learn new and better tactics if the situation should arise (I consider myself one of these pliable people who molds to the groups needs) If all else fails I group with myself! /happy dance

As per the above post, n00b = the l33t kids with names that monks avoid like the plague "leat meet" comes to mind.
Newb = short for newbie who is in fact a new player who has the potential to grow into any one of a plethora of species of gamer depending on his or her personality.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 16, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Devts-Waver

Who do you hate more, snobby and more experienced players that think they know better than everyone else. Or do you hate the regular noobs more?

I vote experienced players.

Technically, any player that is utterly clueless as to what they are doing is a NOOB. Experience means nothing. The premier NOOBS in GW all hail from previous games.

That said, do I ever call anyone noobs?
Never.

Ignorant and simply not knowing any better I can deal with - skills can be taught.
Arrogance and stubborness go all the way to the bone - those are the true NOOBs.
Thus, my vote is with the OP.

Noobliciously yours,

Talesin

IxChel · Jun 16, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

It's players with hubris (excess pride) that are the most troublesome.

If you run into someone who is experienced, but not arrogant, you can play as a team. This is ideal. If you run into an ignorant (newbie) you can go slower, explain things, and teach them. No problem. However, experienced or not, is those who think that they are right and everyone else is wrong and are not willing to look around and learn -- those are the ones that cause the problem. They are also the ones that disconnect when they *know* that you "can't win without two monks" or "you need at least 2 tanks", or some other nonsense [1].

In PUGs, even though I am certain of one approach to solving a problem, I always am willing to give someone who asserts that they are absolutely certain a "go at it". Then I shut up and play along. In the worst case, they are wrong and we get to do the mission again -- but this time with a bit more knowledge about what works. In the best case, their technique works, and I learn something. It's always fun to discover something unexpected.

[1] My run through the ring of fire yesterday had a PuG with only one healer and one tank -- we cut through the mission like a knife through butter; we even had a two disconnects. One of the "hubris" folk in our initial group dropped only shortway into the mission when he died (after being a gung-ho idiot) and accused us of not having enough monks. The other folk with an attitude problem dropped right after that; he asserted that we can't continue with only one tank. Needless to say, the remaining 6 people had no problem dispatching with the rest of the mission without their sorry frown faces -- and good riddens to them. It is truly the hard missions that separate the men from the boys.

Nokomis · Jun 17, 2005, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Devts-Waver

I see almost 5 times as many snobby experienced players than irretating noobs. Actaully, on second thought, I have ONLY seen snobby players and little if not zero noobs that bug me. So I want to get your votes on this.

Who do you hate more, snobby and more experienced players that think they know better than everyone else. Or do you hate the regular noobs more?

I vote experienced players.

EDIT

I have rephrased the question due to people telling me it's confusing.

I find it really pathetic that people who have been sitting on their butts playing a game for a few more hours than other people think this is a huge accomplishment in life and brag about it. I mean really, is this not pathetic? "I have moved my mouse around 48 hours more than you have! Therefore I am something SPECIAL!"

--Nokomis

Aalric · Jun 17, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Nokomis

I find it really pathetic that people who have been sitting on their butts playing a game for a few more hours than other people think this is a huge accomplishment in life and brag about it. I mean really, is this not pathetic? "I have moved my mouse around 48 hours more than you have! Therefore I am something SPECIAL!"

--Nokomis

Lol. I agree with you completely.