Curse

Stev0 · Jun 18, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

I have been avoiding playing much lately, wondering if any little known areas, game combos or tricks will end up getting me banned. My brother plays it more than me now when he gets the chance and I don't want my account to get banned because of me.

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ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Most likely, you won't get banned. To do this exploit, people had to really go out of their way several times to get banned...

If you do anything "by accident", your account should be safe

Gaile Gray · Jun 18, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Stev0

I have been avoiding playing much lately, wondering if any little known areas, game combos or tricks will end up getting me banned. My brother plays it more than me now when he gets the chance and I don't want my account to get banned because of me.

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Stev0 -- are you knowingly using exploits, up to 50 times? Are you hacking the servers? Are you running a bot?

I imagine that answer is "No." In that case, you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to worry about. It's not our intention or desire to ban people. We ban conservatively, thoughtfully, and with regret. We could have banned hundreds in the most recent event; we banned only a handful of the worst offenders. Judging from the detailed records we pulled, and the obscure process needed to achieve this exploit, there was no way this occurred as an accident.

Our objective is always fairness and consideration towards the player, coupled with guardianship and concern for the game as a whole. Please trust that such actions as we may take are necessary, fair, and are taken with great care. 99.998% of accounts won't even be looked at with an eye to checking for breaches of the EULA or RoC.

I'm sure you and your brother are just fine.

hydrak · Jun 18, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

If you repeatedly use an exploited and get logged, then you should get banned.

Stop crying!!!

=HT=Ingram · Jun 18, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.

So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...

I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.

Reiden Argrock · Jun 18, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.

So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...

I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.

well, when your store goes out of business, don't try blaming anet or ncsoft..
they made the rules, your friends broke em. END OF STORY.

Hysteria · Jun 18, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.

So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...

I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.

Props to Anet for preserving the integrity of the community

Darc.Syde · Jun 18, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Eos

Wow, with alpha testers like this I'm rather surprised the game turned out as well as it did. Guess A-Net must have picked up the slack

Sorry if i seem rude but it seems a little rediculous to mention exploits that existed solely because "you and many other alpha testers" failed to report them while you were alpha/ beta testing the game.

these exploits only happened after retail, so we testers couldnt report it. we also do report things like this, however, we also exploit them to prove how bad they're. we're testers, we're asked to exploit things, it's the only way to prove it needs fixing.

hydrak · Jun 18, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Ensign

I have issues with them banning players for 'exploiting', just because the bar can be set as low as they want. Using Vengance when it was broken was clearly an exploit. The Essence Bond / Life Bond combo was technically bugged and thus using it was an exploit. While a situation like this is pretty extreme, their policy amounts to little more than 'we can ban you whenever we feel like it'.

Granted, they pretty much have that right anyway. I guess I'm just not comfortable with it.

Peace,
-CxE

You can't compare using a broken skill like vengeance to this latest XP exploit. It's lame playing the game by abusing a broken skill, but it doesn't violate anything. This latest XP exploit is in clear violation of RoC. For this exploit to work, you need to intentionally crash the game (client side). Are there anyone here who consider intentionally crashing game as part of playing this game?

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Stev0 -- are you knowingly using exploits, up to 50 times? Are you hacking the servers? Are you running a bot?

I imagine that answer is "No." In that case, you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to worry about. It's not our intention or desire to ban people. We ban conservatively, thoughtfully, and with regret. We could have banned hundreds in the most recent event; we banned only a handful of the worst offenders. Judging from the detailed records we pulled, and the obscure process needed to achieve this exploit, there was no way this occurred as an accident.

Our objective is always fairness and consideration towards the player, coupled with guardianship and concern for the game as a whole. Please trust that such actions as we may take are necessary, fair, and are taken with great care. 99.998% of accounts won't even be looked at with an eye to checking for breaches of the EULA or RoC.

I'm sure you and your brother are just fine.

Gaile, In your opinion what's more immoral, getting a bunch of skill points within a computer game without ruining anyone elses gaming experience, or terminating someone's 50 dollar account? A lot of people actually did use exploits like balth aura well over 50 times babe, but none of them were banned.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

A lot of people actually did use exploits like balth aura well over 50 times babe, but none of them were banned.

You missed the point. If you used the bugged skill, that happened during the normal course of play. You didn't go out of your way to exploit it numerous times . Simply using a bugged skill is one thing (I don't care who got a better position on the ladder because of it), but repeatedly crashing the game purposefully to exploit something like the XP bug is a different cup of tea

Adaria · Jun 18, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Personally, I am getting exhasperated at this, it has been done, it was ALWAYS against the EULA, and this was well known. Balthazaars Aura, Vengeance, whatever, those may not have been so well known. Even if they were, those were fixed easily, in this case, though it was reported, people purposely went and did the exploit over and over and over and over, knowing it might be shut down soon.

They paid the price for purposely exploiting a bug, and thus far, all the ones I have heard complaining are ones who HAVEN'T had accounts banned due to this. I have yet to read a post anywhere that has anyone saying their account was banned due to this.

So... the point of the argument is what now? Morals? It's over, its done, the EULA and ToS have been the same, but I DOUBT many of you actually READ them.

farash · Jun 18, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Look people, this is common sense. obviously the gw team never intended you to be able to hit alt f4 to redo the mirror fight, otherwise it would be in the manual. this was a blatant exploit and deserves at bare minimum a temporary ban. that said, there are plenty of other "exploits" out there and even more yet to be found. simply put it is their job to find them and ours to find them first and keep our mouths shut untill they find them. I am mainly refering to farming locations. any other blatant exploits that are obviously not intended to be used in the game are and should be punishible offenses. as far as farming exploits, i do not agree with the developers stance on the issue. so, when i find a good farm i keep my mouth shut, as should the rest of you. cheating the game to make your charachter more powerfull, or to use a skill outside of its intended use by soft hacking the game is wrong. so if you get your account canceled you deserve it. as far as farming, i say farm on, and i hope you find me a great sword and pm me so i can buy it.

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

You didn't go out of your way to exploit it numerous times

Yeah, actually we did.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Yeah, actually we did.

You simply equipped the skill. That's not the same as crashing the game 30 times at exactly the right moment...

Also, the bugged skill didn't give you thousands (possibly millions in some cases) of XP. It simply gave you a slight advantage over your opponents who didn't use it.

Captain Marvel · Jun 18, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Yeah, actually we did.

I thought you said you were done posting in this forum?

I see your altruism has won out. I mean, what would the rest of us do without all your leet advice and sticking to the man.

It took deliberate action to redo the ascension and get the XP. It could not be done on accident. You seem to be arguing for your own ban in your twisted syllogisms. I would petition Anet to grant your wish.

Feli · Jun 18, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Could i get a word on farming?
I know that farming isn't seen with the best and kindest of respect... but is it forbidden to do? Let's say, start a mission again just to kill of the first bunch of guys until the tougher guys show up.
But will farming get me banned if all i use it for is my 15k Armor and buying a Sigil for my guild? On top of that, if it is forbidden... how are we supposed to cross the gap of the former power farmes and bots?

And another thing i might notice, i tend to play in a repeative way. Let's say i go and kill mobs for a collector items. When they are dead, i re-zone in and kill them again. The problem is, always the same way. It is like a movie, the outcome always is the same and it may look HIGHLY repeative like a bot for example. Now i am scared i might be mistaken for a bot.

NightStalkerXT · Jun 18, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Gaile, In your opinion what's more immoral, getting a bunch of skill points within a computer game without ruining anyone elses gaming experience, or terminating someone's 50 dollar account? A lot of people actually did use exploits like balth aura well over 50 times babe, but none of them were banned.

errr ummm if I am not mistaken didn't you say earlier you were done posting in this thread?

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Alright, I'm done posting in this thread.

As far as morals go, anyone with morals would not have exploited the game. So don't try to exonerate your self or anyone else by trying to draw some lame "line" in the sand.

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.

So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...

I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.

HELLOOOOOO! Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't your e-mail address your account name!! So knowing that to be true WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU REGISTER A NEW CD KEY ON THAT ADDRESS!! GET A FLIPPING YAHOO, HOTMAIL OR WHATEVER ADDERSS! You can't blame Anet because your friends are stupid!!!!!!!!! As far as a class action LMAO! No lawyer would touch it; 1) because the people VIOLATED the TOS! 2) they were stupid to register a new CD ON THE SAME ACCOUNT!!!

Oni No Arashi · Jun 18, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.

So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...

I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.

No, No and No.

Steam/Valve bans 50,000 accounts for H2 that were using a corporate CD key that had been leaked. People go and buy the game again and find out that they had been banned by IP Address and couldn't get a refund... and NO LAWYER WOULD TOUCH IT... because those people had DEFAUDED the company providing a service.

And as someone else said... if they BANNED the account, and your account name is your email address, maybe your friends need to go and attempt to re0register with their new CD-Key's with a DIFFERENT EMAIL... not Anet's fault their morons and tried to log in with an already banned account.

Who knows, using another email just might work for them.

But... they broke the rules, and can't go to the play ground again.

A REAL case comparison. You PAY to see a movie, and of course you're supposed to be considerate of others, but you bring in you just won't shut up and keep talking about the movie. The usher comes and removes you from the theater. Do you get a refund? No. You don't.

But you paid for it? So... show the courtesy that everyone else shows you and maybe you'd have some sort of case.

The EULA IS binding. There are some things that aren't, and the courts have already dealt with them. I work in the software industry... believe me, they have.

WoW bans people for camping on rooftops? Right?

You break the rules, you pay the price. Get over it.

And to the ones who did get banned and went and got another copy... use a different email address! And make sure you cycle your modem long enough to get a new IP address.

dargon · Jun 18, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by mfalcon80

It takes a player greater than 50 seconds to complete the ascension quest, therefore they did not obtain the bonus. Because of this they keep doing the ascension quest to try and beat their guy within 50 seconds. It is not there fault that the game kept awarding massive amounts of experience if they were only trying to get the bonus points. However if they were doing the ascension quest over and over again to gain the large amount of experience than that is wrong and they should be punished. However; is permanently banning them from the game really an appropriate punishment? Maybe they should have just docked the players two level of experience. Any thoughts?

Considering that at level 20, a 'level' of experience is 20k, and these guys were easily pulling in 10times that amount, two levels of XP would be like literally slapping the wrist of the guy who robbed your home as a punishment for the crime. Pointless, and in no way going to make them think twice about doing it again. Hell, for all we know, the majority of those banned could have been bots who would later get sold via ebay as the ultimate GW character for $500. I say good going GW.