Curse

Loviatar · Jun 18, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Ignotus

Incomming....

outgoing??

Shinsei · Jun 18, 2005, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Ignotus

Incomming....

Just making a point, if they were to ban everyone suddenly for abusing an exploit, wouldn't it only be fair if they also banned everyone else who made use of certain advantages in the past, such as the wreckages, various farming spots and every single person who uses a skill that ends up being "fixed"?

Ofcourse, it's their server, their game, their policies like everyone's saying, but that doesn't mean their paying customers can't question these policies.

dansamy · Jun 18, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31

I think these bannings were to set an example for gross exploitation. I'm sorry, but 200 skill points an hour is gross, and those players knew that.

Deathlord · Jun 18, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33

I guess there are certain degrees of exploitation a person can do. It'll depend on on how many time's a person "exploits" it and how severe it'll effect the game. Vengeance was definetly annoying, but the exploit didn't involve hundred of skill points (That meant like... thousands of hours of grinding *Not farming* exp). Of course you can easily dispute the two were similar, but I think it's fair that those who exploited it to a certain degree got banned, the rest would just be punished. (Maybe anybody that exploited it more than 2x = ban, anything less = exp removal.

Lane · Jun 18, 2005, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Theus

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Tell me, other then simply ressurecting a player..Did Vengence give you an incredibly large amount of Experiance and skill points? No. It simply revived you. Whoop-de-do.

I think if you exploited this bug and you expected not to get banned, your an idiot.

Nicely said. Those who did this deserve what they get, and this isn't even in the same ballpark as the vengeance skill not working like it was intended to for whatever period of time it occured.

Mimu · Jun 18, 2005, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Theus

Think about it for a second..

When you do a quest..do you go do it again?

No.So the people who were exploiting obiviously knew they were.

No, but you do with missions.

I fought my mirror once tonight, as I do most days..just for fun (I usually take him out in 10 seconds.

) and did not gain any experience, so I am guessing it was achieved through the use of some kind of glitch.. using common sense, people should know that killing their mirror repeatedly by exploiting a bug is against the rules.

Personally, I think that everybody who abused this in order to gain easy skillpoints (It's not like they're difficult to get anymore, after that last patch.) deserves to be hit with the ban stick.

Jormund · Jun 18, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

You clicked agree when you installed the game, found a bug, and exploited it.

Did you expect something else to happen?

Sancus · Jun 18, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

I really, I really hope StandardAI got banned.

Wind · Jun 18, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Wow, this sucks.

I haven't been able to log in and check yet but from what i've been hearing, i'm sure i've been banned too..

I went in and did augury rock a few times after the update (or maybe it was before, I don't know

) just for fun, but I don't remember getting any experience from it.

Mimu · Jun 18, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Wind

Wow, this sucks.

I haven't been able to log in and check yet but from what i've been hearing, i'm sure i've been banned too..

I went in and did augury rock a few times after the update (or maybe it was before, I don't know

) just for fun, but I don't remember getting any experience from it.

I did exactly the same thing, and am still able to play..so do not lose hope yet!

Wind · Jun 18, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by Mimu

I did exactly the same thing, and am still able to play..so do not lose hope yet!

Oh man but i'm so scared right now cause i won't be able to check for another few hours

I was reading another thread that said some people couldn't fully ascend? Were those the only people who could get the extra XP?

Lane · Jun 18, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Wind

Wow, this sucks.

I haven't been able to log in and check yet but from what i've been hearing, i'm sure i've been banned too..

I went in and did augury rock a few times after the update (or maybe it was before, I don't know

) just for fun, but I don't remember getting any experience from it.

What's that I smell? Oh yeah... DENIAL. You will not convince me and I'm sure not any more than a handful of other people who plays this game that you did not know you gained so much experience from such an obvious exploit of what was intended for the game.

Wind · Jun 18, 2005, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Lane

What's that I smell? Oh yeah... DENIAL. You will not convince me and I'm sure not any more than a handful of other people who plays this game that you did not know you gained so much experience from such an obvious exploit of what was intended for the game.

Wow, you need to shut the hell up and stop instigating me. I know I can't prove anything over the internet, the only thing I can say is that I wasn't farming it for experience. I don't even remember if I went there before or after the patch, so you can leave me the hell alone.

Fantras · Jun 18, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Wind, did you get about 20 or 30 levels while doing Augery Rock? If not, then you might be ok. If you did, then that whistling you hear might be the ban stick on its way in.

Wind · Jun 18, 2005, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Fantras

Wind, did you get about 20 or 30 levels while doing Augery Rock? If not, then you might be ok. If you did, then that whistling you hear might be the ban stick on its way in.

Like I said before, I went in there maybe 4 or 5 times MAX and I don't even remember getting any experience.

Fantras · Jun 18, 2005, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Then why did you do it 4-5 times? Fun?

Evan The Cursed · Jun 18, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Who cares why he did? It all matters if he got the exp. The logs will show.

Now leave Wind alone.

I also seriously hope the one-line posting people posting "I really really really hope Standard got banned pretty please with a cherry and sugar on top." burn in hell.

Hahaha, the true irony.

Wind · Jun 18, 2005, 03:24 AM // 03:24

I did it because the update said that they changed the reward, and because I was still able to get into Aurugy Rock. I figured after I ascended, that you shouldn't be able to have access to the Mesa again. I went and beat the mirror, but didn't get any EXP. I did it a few more times just because I had nothing better to do. But I never checked my experience in my attributes menu, so if I did get any experience from it, I didn't see it.

Also checking some other threads, someone said this bug only worked on certain classes that couldn't get past ascension at all? Can anyone give some clarification on this?

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Originally Posted by Evan The Cursed

Who cares why he did? It all matters if he got the exp. The logs will show.

Now leave Wind alone.

Thanks for understanding. If I did get the experience then I do deserve to be banned, i'm just clarifying that I didn't know about it. It just sort of sucks because i've made lots of bug reports and submitted possible hacks to ArenaNet, and this sort of thing happens.

If I do end up banned, i'll just buy the game again. It's worth my money.

Fantras · Jun 18, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Well good luck then Wind, you sound like you're on the right side, if it means anything.

sama · Jun 18, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07

i just thot i'll clear up some confusion about the various bugs/exploits:

Ascencion Bug: For non-ascended characters, you can alt-f4 during cutscence to not make yourself ascended and play your mirror again for more exp.

The abuse here is, 50k every 5 mins. That's really quite a lot and you can unlock all your skills in a matter of hours versus a matter of months. Needless to say this is a gamebreaker.

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Vengence bug: You can res allies with vengence with no negative side effects such as the insta-death after 30 secs.

This is abusive because you can get a player up in 4 secs (2 with fast casting) with full health and full energy. Not only that, but you should be able to shatter vengence since it's an enchantment but the bugged vengence had no enchantment so it could not be removed. Oh, you also get no death penalty should you die the 2nd, 3rd, 4th...time. Lots of people were using it in tombs because you would be at a severe disadvantage if you didn't. This was an extremely powerful bug when abused. Certain guilds got TONS of wins on the gvg ladder with this bug and thus rose up the ranks pretty fast.

This bug should not have gone unfixed for a week. Because of the vengence abuse, the ladder has no credibility. How can you have a competitive ladder if you sanction abuse like that?

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Bathasar's Aura Stacking: BA is an enchantment and thus shouldn't be able to stack. Meaning, you can have 10 BAs on someone and they'll walk around doing 100 dps without swinging a weapon.

You could literally kill someone in 2-3 secs just by standing next to him. However, as powerful as this abuse is, it was also very easy to counter. So this bug was hard to abuse against good teams.

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Essence Bond/Life Bond Networks: A prot monk cast life bond on all his teammates. All his teammates then cast essence bond on the prot monk. Whenever anyone gets hit on the team, everyone gains one energy. Essence bond was not suppose to trigger of the redirected life bond damage the prot monk was receiving.

Just think about how often ppl on an 8 man team gets hit. This results in unlimited energy for the entire team. If you add a healing seed to the prot monk, he then becomes a massive, walking healing ball. As powerful an exploit as this may seem, it really wasn't. Maintaining 7-9 bonds isn't easy against good teams with good mesmers or against chillblaines, well of profane, nature's renewal, etc. Plus, the wording of essence bond was vague but it did suggest that it it could be chained with essence bond so it didn't seem like an exploit. It wasn't until Anet made a patch did we know it was an exploit.

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Global Drops: GW launched with a bug that affected global drop rates of rare items. Certain locations always had extremely high lvl rare weapons.

It's hard to call this a major abuse since the game just launched and you had no idea whether this was suppose to happen or not as you had no basis of comparison. The location with all the rare items were far away in difficult EAs, so it was entirely possible to think that Anet intended for it. Hill giants have always been a good source of runes during beta so it was logical to assume that they would be a good source upon release. The real abuse was people using macros and bots to farm.

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Which abuse deserves banning? Character Deletion? I don't want to give an opinion, but there doesn't seem to be a lesser reprimand. You either seem to be banned or you're free to continue. Some games have rollbacks...