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Studio Ghibli · Jun 12, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Wow.

Kind of surprised to see this thread still alive.

He made it to Draknor's Forge, at least. He had the end-game armor.

He never cheated. My creating this thread was more to acquire the eye of the devs in hope something might be done to remedy what I figure was an oversight.

Consider the whole hoo-haa over people having an "unfair advantages" over other people who don't have the time necessary (they're casual, as they say), I'm surprised the defense this thread has netted.

M Dew · Jun 13, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

I can see where you are coming from, people tend to use the word cheat to freely. When they could have chosen a more fitting word. No one was netting a defense. I can clearly see both sides of the argument now I will agree with poeple saying this could be an exploit but defintely not a cheat.

I was also however trying to show some people that alot of people play games this way. because they beat it once and feel rewarded play it again, not so rewarding so they roll a character and see how far they can get what gear they can get at the lowest lvl possable while trying to get the best stuff they can. However some people tend to brag more than others and flaunt there stuff. So it also come down to the players atitude as well.

For example I had 2 superiors and 2 majors and and a bag of rare weapons to choose from for an alt i rolled as soon as i came out of pre that I had found for with aprevious character. Samething but I do not go to arena's so I doubt I will ever see anyone going around calling me a cheat or an exploiter.

See where some of us might be comeing from?

Why put restrictions on gear why not put restrictions on arena's. I mean you still would have issues somewhat. But you are talking about a pretty complex issue its not always straght forward approach.

Not sure I follow you on what you are reffering to as an oversight. I can think of 3 things you might be referring to lornar's, arena's ,and gear which one I am not sure. if its lornar's everyone can go thru there it is a shorter timespan to do that than to do some of this missions/playfields in this game. only the devs could do somethign about gear and arena's. If they do anything I hope it will be to the arena's.

*****Edit/added this*** most people that take the time to read forums and post long winded replys more than often try to see where you might be coming from. there is always gonna be someone with a setup or gear that can top yours its all part of the game if everyone had the same crap and same skill loadouts the game would be very boring and would have a longer shelf life than harddrive life. you even said you assumed he ment he was wearing dronar's armor. Did you miss where I clearly pointed out that he had to go to the ascention missions to get that skill. there is only one way there and thats going the way of the story. Even tho he does not have to do the missions he had to take the same route everyone else does. I just find your case dwindling by a thread if there is still a case.

Still open minded tho

Verbose · Jun 13, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Big props to the one who did this... after all, everyone knows that what you do here means something, that bypassing content to get the reward without having to invest the time and work the developers intended is a sign of true prowess, and the owning young players with gear you're not intended to have at level ten is almost as fun as pulling legs off flies (more fun when those you kicked are upset by it, of course).

So like, give the guy some respect. Goodness knows how many hours he might have spent on this if he hadn't found a way to bypass the intended progress. I mean, really, don't any of you realise this is important!
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(In case you missed it, all the above was laced with a lethal dose of sarcasm.)

Maniac · Jun 13, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Since I've played and know Sango, I let her know about this about this and is a bit suprized by this. Take in consideration she is has 4 characters.

Working with 4 characters to get to lvl 20 not jumping, is time consuming. Only her primary character (water ele) did everything. Two other characters jumped (lighting ele - being one of them) and the last character in development not jumping.

The armor being used on the lighting ele is the Crystal Desert collectors, not Droknar's (since you can't get that armor style she's using from crafters, only collector). The reason for the arena is for testing skills out and to lvl up to finally get accepted into groups at the Crystal desert mission.

The light ele was recently used in tombs and did quite well - she still prefer's using her water ele which does good as well.

asdar · Jun 13, 2005, 10:37 AM // 10:37

That's still pretty crappy but not quite as crappy. It's very much taking an unfair advantage.

I hope they fix it. I think that a lot of people new to PvP decide in that arena whether they will ever do PvP again.

Saerden · Jun 13, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

*edit: Fix the armor if you consider this "unfair". Dont touch creative players. Nothing more to say.

Stev0 · Jun 13, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by wheel

30-45 minutes of video on a forum? are you kidding me?

If you would like me to show you, I charge 8k for a run, so you can pay that and see for yourself. And I charge at the Forge, not up front.

kthxbye

Theres nothing wrong with making a video that runs 4-5times normal speed. I think it's a little on the impossible side to run the game that far in 30-45 minutes .

Stev0 · Jun 13, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Saerden

*edit: Fix the armor if you consider this "unfair". Dont touch creative players. Nothing more to say.

Just make all items with minimum level restrictions to use, make all areas have guards posted that demand minimum level requirements. Done and done.

Allowing trade of items between characters is only going to permit people to run around with high powered items and skills so even though the above gets implimented. There will be a way around it.

salja Wachi · Jun 13, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

more whining and whining. i am sick to death of hearing it.

if we have fully ascended and finished the game on one character who the hell do you guys think you are by making is go through all the games content a second and 3rd time? get a clue. PvP arenas mean nothing only the tombs has anything whatsoever meaningful (fame).

I finished the game weeks ago on my main character and do not feel the need to go thruogh all the missions a second and third time on my other 2.

if i want to ascend at level 4 it is my choice it does not affect you at all!!!

if i want to try and run through lornars pass it does not affect you at all!!!

as long as it is not "cheating" which it most certainly is not then please mind your own business. i am sick and tired of people trying to dictate game play to others.

Myodato · Jun 13, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

I've no real problem with people doing anything they can within the rules of the game, why restrict people unnecessarily ?

We have to remember though, that the restricted lvl arenas are there for a reason. If it gets to the point that half the people competing are heavilly twinked second characters, then those arenas are no longer filling their purpose, and you may aswell scrap them and just force everyone to wait until they can play in Tombs.

Personally I'd just like to see equipment restrictions. Skills, even the Elite ones, are roughly balanced. Double armour value, however, is not something that can easily be countered.

asdar · Jun 13, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Heck, I don't care if they come up with a single button that says "I won" we'll call it the I won button and you can unlock everything.

It's no skin off my nose. If the 10 and under arena's don't mean anything then stay away from there because characters wearing armor that they can't possibly earn on their own are ruining it for everyone else.

Nobody is asking to limit player creativity, or at least I'm not, and I'm certainly not asking to close off Lornars. I'm just saying anyone that runs Lornars and wears Drak armor should not be allowed in a 10 and under arena.

It's an unfair advantage, and one you all know dang well you couldn't have earned on your very first character.

If you want to short cut the game that's fine with me, truly fine but when you take an unfair advantage to a newbie arena you ruin it for all the people that are trying it out for the first time.

Do the first timers learn from the experience when a level 10 monk in Censor gear can stand there and be hit by two warriors without dying? I've seen that and the answer is no. They learn to hate PvP because they feel like they're doing something wrong when they're not.

It would be nice if people had the common sense to be moral and stay away from the 10 and under in overpowered armor but if they do not then I hope A-net steps in and makes the situation right.

Maniac · Jun 13, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

I've seen a lvl 10 monk like that in the arena (had max damage armor) - took quite a while to defeat but it's quite a challenge.

If people have more than one character and didn't shortcut it with their first character, there isn't a problem shortcutting with the other characters. I can tell you that, lot of people have done it and may also than one Guild Wars account (in fact some do).

Eclair · Jun 13, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

There's nothing run with running to Lornar's at level 3 or ascending at level 3. However, when you purposely do so for the sake of coming back to level 10 arenas and overpowering new players, then it becomes griefing.

I agree, a equipment restriction on level 10 arenas wouldn't be that hard to implement, and would fix most of this.

Principa Discordia · Jun 22, 2005, 03:15 AM // 03:15

I was just playing in the arena at old Ascalon with my new character (Wo/M9). I went three rounds with a specific team until I got bored, because one of their players had certain equipment that killed off my whole team before you could say "oh my goodness".

What makes it worse is, in all three rounds the rest of his team (three players and two pets) were just stood back watching. Must've been real fun for them.

How anyone can defend this kind of player is beyond me, these kids need to get over their fear of level 20 players and stop killing level 10's with wimpy armour and weapons to feel big and tough.

Asrial · Jun 22, 2005, 03:29 AM // 03:29

The heart of the issue is not someone bypassing everything to reach the end. If they can do it, all the power to them.

The issue is people using this higher equipment and skills on others that either cannot do what they did, or don't know how.

Go fight in the Lion's Arch arena (or better yet, whatever PUG arena is next after that). You'll gain more experience because of the massive level differential.

Fighting in the level 10 arena with gear and skills you don't 'naturally' get until after the level 20 arena is unbalanced and self-centered.

eA-Zaku · Jun 22, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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unbalanced and self-centered.

So are 100% legit things, such as repeatedly helping newer players on mission and hoarding the gold.

Why not you give me all your money, to show how balanced and unselfish you are?

Principa Discordia · Jun 22, 2005, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by eA-Zaku

So are 100% legit things, such as repeatedly helping newer players on mission and hoarding the gold.

Why not you give me all your money, to show how balanced and unselfish you are?

There's a difference between helping someone with a mission and having your randomly generated share of the gold and loot, and the act of going into a level 10 arena just to beat up newbies.

The difference is that one's being helpful, one is being a coward and/or a bully.

eA-Zaku · Jun 22, 2005, 03:38 AM // 03:38

IMO, nothing is stopping people who get slaughtered by Forge runners from doing their own Forge run to level the playing field.

Whether or not GW is a "grind-free" or "not item based" game is not the point. Isn't one of the long-standing ideals of serious PvP competition to obtain the best tools for the job?

Asrial · Jun 22, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by eA-Zaku

Why not you give me all your money, to show how balanced and unselfish you are?

..because you don't deserve it?

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Originally Posted by eA-Zaku

Isn't one of the long-standing ideals of serious PvP competition to obtain the best tools for the job?

..and the level 10/15 arenas are serious competition with all those new players.

eA-Zaku · Jun 22, 2005, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Right, I don't deserve your gold, but those people who bothered to go out and fetch themselves a set of Droknar's armor do, right? Who's to decide who deserves what, and on what basis?

And if the low level arena's are serious competition, then they should go and get some Droknar's armor. That's the point I was trying to make.