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Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

bullets don't fly straight in real life....it's not a fault in the game, it's an attention to detail

Santosh · Jun 22, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I have no interest...point and click and wait for them to die isn't my idea of fun.....it might be for others..but to ME it's a joke. There's no skill involved in GW PvP...there just isn't. You select your build..you enter the arena...you point on a target then select the skill to use...."Having Skill" doesn't mean a bunch of buttons on the bottom of your screen.

Uh, that's like saying I already know what China is all about without ever having step foot in China.

You assume a point without ever trying to experience what the point is.

Your last sentence is not true. Not even close to the truth. It's an assumption. A generalization. It is not fact.

To put it black and white: Those skills at the bottom of your screen isn't a mindless click. You have to know when to click them and in what order, depending on the terrain, the opponent class, the team you have, etc. You get the picture now?

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Santosh

Uh, that's like saying I already know what China is all about without ever having step foot in China.

You assume a point without ever trying to experience what the point is.

Your last sentence is not true. Not even close to the truth. It's an assumption. A generalization. It is not fact.

To put it black and white: Those skills at the bottom of your screen isn't a mindless click. You have to know when to click them and in what order, depending on the terrain, the opponent class, the team you have, etc. You get the picture now?

knowing when to click a skill....is not skill itself. I GET the picture...I just think it's stupid. Standing there and hoping i have enough health to outlast the person I am attacking without any real means of dodging or evading is asinine and should not be incorporated into a PvP game. IT IS a mindless click...it's pretty easy to tell what skills to use and when to use them...it doesn't take much thought.

Spyle · Jun 22, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

bullets don't fly straight in real life....it's not a fault in the game, it's an attention to detail

........... Wow really? Here I was, all this time, a complete moron.

I only brought that up because that is part of the luck factor in that game. I never said it was a fault in the game.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Spyle

........... Wow really? Here I was, all this time, a complete moron.

I only brought that up because that is part of the luck factor in that game. I never said it was a fault in the game.

never claimed you did...reitterating the point to people that believe counter strike is luck because people get headshots all the time...aiming, understanding recoil, knowing that spread effects flight pattern...that's skill, not luck.

Aug · Jun 22, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

and guild wars is turn base...whether you think it is or not...wether it's outwardly evident or not...Guild Wars is turn based

No, it's not. You apparently have never experienced a turn based game. A turn-based game would mean you couldn't take any action until I do. That is obviously not the case, because if I went afk in a fight, you could kill me while I did nothing.

The game is not turn based.

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I don't like chess...it's mind numbing.

Lots of people do like chess. To them it's far from mind numbing.

I could care less if you don't like GW. But don't claim it's skill-less simply because YOU don't have fun with it.

Just stop playing PvP. I hate getting CS-fanatics on my team in random arenas. And you obviously hate being there. So just do us both a favor and stop joining the fights.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Aug

No, it's not. You apparently have never experienced a turn based game. A turn-based game would mean you couldn't take any action until I do. That is obviously not the case, because if I went afk in a fight, you could kill me while I did nothing.

The game is not turn based.

you wait 5 seconds for this skill to recharge...you wait 2 seconds to use this skill...you fire 1 arrow every 1.75 seconds...THIS IS TURN BASED...the 'turn' is your skills recharging...or the time it takes you to swing an axe...or the waiting period while you fire arrows......just because it's not the same turn based system that Final Fantasy uses doesn't mean it's not turn based.

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, then get out!
Simple.

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

you wait 5 seconds for this skill to recharge...you wait 2 seconds to use this skill...you fire 1 arrow every 1.75 seconds...THIS IS TURN BASED...the 'turn' is your skills recharging...or the time it takes you to swing an axe...or the waiting period while you fire arrows......just because it's not the same turn based system that Final Fantasy uses doesn't mean it's not turn based.

Umm... no.
There is no "pausing" in the game. Hence, it is not turn based.

Spyle · Jun 22, 2005, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

never claimed you did...reitterating the point to people that believe counter strike is luck because people get headshots all the time...aiming, understanding recoil, knowing that spread effects flight pattern...that's skill, not luck.

Is knowledge the same thing as skill?

I know how to shoot a basketball into a hoop, using the same technique and everything, but I'm no where near as good at it as other people and miss much more frequently.

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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I don't like chess...it's mind numbing.

Chess is the most popular game in the world and it's been around for over 1,000 years. It's mind numbing probably because you suck at it and get owned by patzers all the time.

People who don't understand chess should not bash it by any means.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Spyle

Is knowledge the same thing as skill?

I know how to shoot a basketball into a hoop, using the same technique and everything, but I'm no where near as good at it as other people and miss much more frequently.

knowing and being able to incorporate it into your game = skill

fixed*

Aug · Jun 22, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

you wait 5 seconds for this skill to recharge...you wait 2 seconds to use this skill...you fire 1 arrow every 1.75 seconds...THIS IS TURN BASED...the 'turn' is your skills recharging...or the time it takes you to swing an axe...or the waiting period while you fire arrows......just because it's not the same turn based system that Final Fantasy uses doesn't mean it's not turn based.

Aren't their 'recharge' times in CS? Like reloading a gun? Some weapons have much higher and more frequent recharge times than others, don't they? Don't you have to reload a shotgun after every couple shots?

Also, can you unload a whole clip of your Colt in 0 time? Can you stab/swing your knife as fast as you can click the button? No.

GW is not as fast paced as CS. I agree with that statement. But GW is not turn based.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Chess is the most popular game in the world and it's been around for over 1,000 years. It's mind numbing probably because you suck at it and get owned by patzers all the time.

People who don't understand chess should not bash it by any means.

I'm actually quite good at chess....and used to play it quite often.....I just no longer enjoy it

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Which obviously means you're not using proper technique.
Practice makes permanent. Perfect practice makes perfect.

Eclair · Jun 22, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Algren: You have understand that people who play this game for PvP do not really consider random arenas as PvP. You've played through PvE and seen that at least 50% of the population are completely clueless to what they're doing. Same thing with random Arenas, no good player would play in it because its completely worthless in terms of real GW PvP.

It's pretty much the equivalent of playing CS in a random PUB with people who just started the game, or for people with really bad connections.

If you go to tombs during peak hours when a lot of the good guilds are playing, you'll see that a fair amount of skill comes into play, not just pre-planning builds and mindless clicking.

This game isn't built for random PvPs or 1v1 PvP, but rather 8v8 PvP.

Terminal · Jun 22, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

In this thread we have the classic mix of the clueless and the bored-with-nothing-to-do-but-post-on-a-subject-i-know-nothing-about.

A third of people compare apples to oranges and act indignant when told they are not the same thing. Sing-sing anyone ?

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Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

So I play this game for a good long time, many hours, many characters.
one damage spell is almost the same as the next, one attack much like another.

Lying at least once in 2 lines and geting 3 pages of responses is the hallmark of an "aware" community. You have NOT played MMOs/FPSs at all if you think that the skill system in GW is not the best yet.

I've played DAoC, Diablo, L2, SB, SWG, WoW for at least 6 months each, PvPed hardcore straight through in every one of them and I call BS on your statement.

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

GW PvP is a freakin joke...
PvP = Counter Strike. I go back to playing counter strike....because PvP WORKS with counter strike.

Don't let your head hit the door on your way out.

But...after a few hours, one notices that every 2nd post in this thread was being fielded by our resident thread troll.

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

There was no need for me to do anything but click ignite arrows and Duel Shot/Power Shot until everyone was dead....THAT'S THE PROBLEM!

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Like I said the team I was on won 7 or 8 straight at Lions Arch without ever talking to eachother. We all just ran out and started attacking

Lions arch PvP.

And here is this person kicking and screaming. Get into serious GvG and prepare to get your behind whipped red.

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I love Guild Wars....it's a really really good PvE game. so no...I don't think it sucks. I think it's value as a PvE is quite good....It's value as a PvP is quite poor.

So says someone who's fighting at Lion's Arch and is newb enough to think that's GW PvP.

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Like i said when I get to the HoH i'll let you know if it changes my opinion of GW PvP...though I doubt it will.

But will you get through the idiot trap ?

And by the way, Mr Algren Troll, you declared that you were leaving for CS and proceed to post 34 out of the 82 posts in this thread repeating your Lions-Arch-newb-PvP b1tching in a for-next loop ?

You sir, should eat more carrots.

My name is Toxin Fever and I approve this message.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Aug

Aren't their 'recharge' times in CS? Like reloading a gun? Some weapons have much higher and more frequent recharge times than others, don't they? Don't you have to reload a shotgun after every couple shots?

Also, can you unload a whole clip of your Colt in 0 time? Can you stab/swing your knife as fast as you can click the button? No.

GW is not as fast paced as CS. I agree with that statement. But GW is not turn based.

that's an entirely different discussion...if you can't see that GW is turn based that's fine...I'm not going to argue a games symantecs.

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I'm actually quite good at chess....and used to play it quite often.....I just no longer enjoy it

OT:
What's your USCF/FIDE rating?

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

that's an entirely different discussion...if you can't see that GW is turn based that's fine...I'm not going to argue a games symantecs.

Because you have no basis of proof for your wild speculations.
It's exactly the same. If there were no recharge times, etc. People would just spam the most damage spells/skills constantly.
If there were no reloading time, etc. for the AWAP, people would use it constantly as well.