Curse

Cap'n Hoek · Jun 24, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too bad I'm at work or I'd be there still...lol

Let the working stiffs be there in spirit.

/dance

C-Tzar · Jun 24, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

I'm at work too. Shhhhhh.

Nokomis · Jun 24, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

If I worked for A-Net, I would put right in the agreement that no game items or game gold are to be sold for real money and that buying or selling such items will result in really bad game karma. Then I would program up some gold and rare items that were made to disappear one minute after the first time they are traded. I would list those things on ebay. When some doofus bought them on ebay for hard earned cash, I would trade the items to him in-game, and a minute later those items and/or gold would be gone. Poof.

This would kill the ebay market.
It would piss off doofuses who deserve to be unhappy anyway.
And how are they going to complain? The user agreement SAID bad stuff would happen if you bought things with real money.

Plus it would just be hilarious.

--Nokomis

chpmmttn · Jun 24, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

how quickly do these bots reappear?
are there any changes in the time?

maybe this could be the new version of the casinos.
bet on the bot races! who will reappear first? "iam notabot" or "asdfoweif asdpfiap"?

Crotalus · Jun 24, 2005, 05:53 PM // 17:53

The problem is they are not selling the item. They are selling the time to accumulate the gold or items. ArenaNet has no way to go against it unless they ban all trading, gold or items.

I was just on with my monk and there was one guy who kept on trading with me..err attempting to trade with me. I was hoping he would give me 100p like someone else stated he tried to do to them. I would buy Dwarven Ale for everybody!

Lilanthe · Jun 24, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

I was just on with my monk and there was one guy who kept on trading with me..err attempting to trade with me. I was hoping he would give me 100p like someone else stated he tried to do to them. I would buy Dwarven Ale for everybody!

I said he wanted YOU to give HIM 1000p.

A beggar botter, can you imagine ?

UnOrthOdOx · Jun 24, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Well, this explains allot.

I just made it to Seekers Passage this morning. I hadn't seen any real dance parties since Lions Arch.

Swampgirl Inez · Jun 24, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

I said he wanted YOU to give HIM 1000p.

A beggar botter, can you imagine ?

Hey, that offends my HOBO sensibilities...

I do my begging honestly thank you very much!

ManadartheHealer · Jun 24, 2005, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by UnOrthOdOx

I hadn't seen any real dance parties since Lions Arch.

Ah, the dance parties in LA are exquisite

toastgodsupreme · Jun 24, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Dalia

toastgodsupreme, not sure what you mean about *still* talking about this subject. This thread was just started yesterday, as far as I can see. Anyway, my response was meant to broaden the subject a bit, by looking at some of reasons *why* people use bots and the implications of that. Personally, I'd really like to see that discussion continued.

Dalia

I botted in RO.

Do I do it in GW? No.

Why did I bot in RO? Because I could. Because all the gear cost a shit ton thanks to a ****ed up market. Because you had to buy 20 Slotted Silk Robes so that you could possibly have a chance in getting on to +9.

I wasn't a selfish botter, I gave shit away to friends all the time. I did guessing games in S. Pront Field and gave away 1mil zenny (gold to you) as a prize for each game. I gave away Mummy Cards, Verit Cards, and other rare cards as prizes. This is how I had fun.

WHY people bot is not important. WHY people bot is unique to each botter.

I also helped destroy certain parts of the economy by introducing a flood of loot like Slotted Bucklers (when I started botting, they were going for about 100k each, by the time I finished, their value had been more than halved to around 40k). On one hand, you can say that by doing this I hurt players. But it wasn't like these were dropping so regularly for others that they were their main source of funding. On the other hand, I made them more affordable to regular players who couldn't justify spending 100k for a Slotted Buckler. Same principal applied to slotted boots, mummy cards, maytr cards, and verit cards. I wasn't the only person botting these areas, but due to the influx of the amount of each item, we helped lower the price so that these rares became more affordable to casual gamers (only the hardcore could amass enough funding to get a lot of this shit).

But then you turn around and say we're ****ing up the economy by bringing in a shit ton of gold from NPC-sold-loot thus driving up prices on everything. BULLSHIT. Prices go up because people are stupid and are willing to pay 7k for a clean max damage fiery dragon sword.

It's the everyday player that drives up prices. It's the everyday player that sets the bar. Joe Average pays 7k for a FDS, so then the seller keeps selling at that and eventually someone buys again. And all the other sellers see this and jack up their prices.

I don't bot in GW because I don't have a need to. I have 13k, I have my final armor for two of my chars. I don't care about FoW or 15k armor. I have my collector staves, wands, and foci. I have my armor dyed. All from money I made while just playing the game. I can farm trolls, or taxi to Droknars. But I don't bot.

Guild Wars doesn't have a lot of things you need gold for which is refreshing.

redsman1 · Jun 24, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

just checked this out and i can see why you would need a bot. ran to first wreckage and got a white air wand, ran around to second wreckage and a couple of white items. boring as hell and nothing to show, even had to sit around for a few minutes until those riders cleared out. wasnt worth my time.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 24, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by redsman1

just checked this out and i can see why you would need a bot. ran to first wreckage and got a white air wand, ran around to second wreckage and a couple of white items. boring as hell and nothing to show, even had to sit around for a few minutes until those riders cleared out. wasnt worth my time.

No waiting needed. Only time I even have to slow down is if I get past the devourers too fast and the hydras haven't moved far enough along their route yet. Other than that, it's a dead run to both wreckage sites. I've got a 13 second sprint. Doesn't take long.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 24, 2005, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Btw, a lot of people who turn to botting are pissed off farmers who have no where to go for gold since their areas got nerfed.

They were willing to invest the time into making a build that could farm. They were willing to invest the time in sitting down and doing the farm runs themselves. But when they get hit in the nuts with a nerf bat, it just makes them look for other ways to get gold (aka, botting or buying it from botters on ebay).

Farming isn't bad until you try to stop it.

salja Wachi · Jun 24, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

lol i did it too just for fun and it sukcs lmao anyone who thinks they need gold that badly is an idiot

Creston · Jun 24, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

Let the working stiffs be there in spirit.

/dance

/Violin

Creston

Hysteria · Jun 24, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27

There are still plenty of spots to accumulate gold and items rapidly without botting. Do what others have done and explore for better areas and switch up your builds if neccesary.

Uzul · Jun 24, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

hehe - i just spend 30-40 minutes there...
now i got a list of around 30 characters (some from same guild) who are going out there solo every few minutes.... they just run through _ one got stuck on a wall and stayed there for like 10 minutes..... i taunted and point&laughed at him but there was no response

one from anet was there too - nice chat with him and some others: they are already logging the area and seekers itself and he told me this would be taken care of = let's see how soon....

anyhow : a funny yet sad thing to observe

i have around 50 megs of screens i am uploading to anet support... with my list ^^

regarding the execution of banned chars: i love!!! that idea - dibs on some heads so i can put them on poles in my guild hall ...

der kur · Jun 24, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

well.. rumor is gw precious code of moving around certain spawns for wreckages/barrels/chests has been cracked and put into affect with those pesky bots. so basically if done correctly at certain chests that's about 100+ gold a minute which is about 6k+ an hour, 144k+ a day per bot. then turn around and look at the ebay prices 100k=around $15 usd. but then you extend the cracked code into weapon drops and rare materials and those people found themselves a new job.

but gw is run by the same people that did l2 which is 90% bots, and when that was proven to them by an outstanding survey... they banned the person that did the survey and deleted his results on nc's site. the big question is, will they do anything about bots in this game.. unlike l2..................?

toastgodsupreme · Jun 24, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

The community fuels botters. As long as there are people willing to buy, there are people willing to bot and sell.

Look to our peers. They're just as bad as the botters since they keep them going with cash.

LouderthanSeth · Jun 24, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by der kur

well.. rumor is gw precious code of moving around certain spawns for wreckages/barrels/chests has been cracked and put into affect with those pesky bots. so basically if done correctly at certain chests that's about 100+ gold a minute which is about 6k+ an hour, 144k+ a day per bot. then turn around and look at the ebay prices 100k=around $15 usd. but then you extend the cracked code into weapon drops and rare materials and those people found themselves a new job.

but gw is run by the same people that did l2 which is 90% bots, and when that was proven to them by an outstanding survey... they banned the person that did the survey and deleted his results on nc's site. the big question is, will they do anything about bots in this game.. unlike l2..................?

I read his letter pertaining to l2 bots he sent to the company. I was quite disturbed at the reaction it caused. His baning. And others as well who stuck behind him through it. I've said more than I should have in anycase, it seems all who speak of this get screwed over.