Curse

Evan The Cursed · Jul 01, 2005, 04:46 AM // 04:46

God I hate Arthas.

I hate everything post-WC2. WC3 and the following can never compare to the greatness that was WC2.

That pansy Gul'dan in that pathetic WC3 cutscene was a shod, a FAKE!

Gul'dan forevah!!

And now more on-topic: Please people. Ignore List. Yay function. Use.

(I can't keep myself away ;_

ManadartheHealer · Jul 01, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Online insulting is who we are, it shows dominence. If i beat you in a 1 on 1 in warcraft III i will taunt you.

Also when i said the warcraft thing, i didnt do it to make fun of you. Arthas is my favorite warcraft character, he also put people in their places when they ran off with the lip to much.

I played Warcraft III. Whenever I beat someone who had not given me any reason whatsoever to do something wrong, I simply said "GG" unless it was a close one, then I would say "really excellent game; it was close" or something like that.

Whenever I beat someone who had taunted me, a simple "lol" at the end was sufficient

Fantras · Jul 01, 2005, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Feelings aren't real when you play a game online. When someone angers you, you are really only angry in the game. When you log out, we all know you completely forget about everything that happened while you were playing, because it's just a game. Making fun of someone should not ever hurt their feelings in game, because those feelings aren't theirs. It's their characters. It should only hurt their character's feelings. That's why, when I get too angry in the game, I have my character punch a wall instead of myself, because the game's not real.

/sarcasm

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God I hate Arthas.

Hey, screw you too buddy!!! (j/k)

Arthas006not7 · Jul 01, 2005, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Dangit, I keep posting don't I? Well, since things have calmed down...
HellRaiser, yes, I admit GLOATING is part of the online gaming community, and there is nothing against that. But, calling someone a derogatory name goes too far in gloating. I can understand the casual, man I'm good, that's just egotistical, and frankly, don't we all have egos. But please, don't call me a "bad word" noob. Just say gg, and get on with it.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Then you all didnt know how to play warcraft III. You had to show dominence in warcraft III. Thats how you gained respect. Nice guys finish last.

After i beat some one terribly i would be like GG noob for waisting my time.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Noob should be part of the english dictionary. Noob is a important word in online gamming.

Arthas006not7 · Jul 01, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Actually, the only note of respect you got was your attitude and the nice little avatar by your name in the lobby

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 04:51 AM // 04:51

People remember the bad attitudes. Plus the avitar thing rocked. I had deathwing.

the_veil · Jul 01, 2005, 05:12 AM // 05:12

It's a game, yes, it's a game--but let's compare this game to OTHER games that involve human players, ok? Like, say, any given professional sport, a board game between friends, poker, you name it. In what universe is it just ok to randomly insult/ scam/ be a complete jerk and not expect any consequences BECAUSE you're behaving this way during a GAME?

Only among good friends who know each other would you expect this behavior. In pick-up basketball games, I remember plenty of times I had to hard foul some random kid who thought "smack talk" with strangers was somehow ok; they figured it out quickly, and it's no different than anything in life. A game is fun, but only if the players play THE GAME--and rude behavior is not part of this game or any game except in very specific situations where it's openly accepted, probably among friends.

The arguments I'm hearing from the "it's just a game" people (premises: a death here isn't a real death, it's all just pixels, etc.) aren't exactly WRONG; they're just missing the point of the larger issue. I suspect these people are used to SINGLE player games (video games) and don't quite make the distinction between the game play between those and a MMORP like this where it's NOT just pixels and programs, but people.

GW especially lends itself to this mistake, too, don't you think? We can solo much, if not all, of the game; we have our own instances and NPC teammates; and though some choose to role play, this isn't exactly the most role-playing friendly game out there (it's pretty much just combat). In other words, I understand why so many GW players would fail to recognize the "multi-player" portion of the MMORPH here. It's not an excuse or defense, but I understand.

I will say this: hearing someone say "it's all just pixels"--ignoring the real, flesh and blood players behind those pixels--is to me as wise as saying "it's all just metal, dude" as I crash my car into yours.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 05:13 AM // 05:13

Ok guildwars is just a video game. Were nothing is real and people that think its real wont get laid. I said it gg.

ManadartheHealer · Jul 01, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Ok guildwars is just a video game. Were nothing is real and people that think its real wont get laid. I said it gg.

Nobody ever said the game was real. The point was the PEOPLE playing the game were real...

And if you think getting "laid" is the most important thing in life, I laugh at you. I'd have to say integrity is more important...but hey, my opinion doesn't matter, because I'll "never get laid"

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Nobody ever said the game was real. The point was the PEOPLE playing the game were real...

And if you think getting "laid" is the most important thing in life, I laugh at you. I'd have to say integrity is more important...but hey, my opinion doesn't matter, because I'll "never get laid"

What part of will and not get laid do you not understand?

ManadartheHealer · Jul 01, 2005, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

What part of will and not get laid do you not understand?

You are a pitiful life form, my good sir. It pains me to think there are people like you in the world

the_veil · Jul 01, 2005, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Ok, last effort to actually engage Hell Raiser with rhetoric:

It IS a video game. But it IS played by people, live people, real people (getting laid and eveything, believe it or not). It's not either/ or, but to act like anything goes--anything can be said and done because it's all in the context of this game--is completely naive. When players play the game as it's supposed to be played, it's great, it's fun, it's NOT real life. When players think just BECAUSE it's a game they can scam, insult, or generally be asses, in the game but completely disconnected with how the game's played, then they're imposing their real life bad attitude, hurting someone else's experience of the game.

If someone jokes about something IN the game alone, I couldn't care less. Someone joked about my tattoo armor the other night, and that's fine because it's obviously just about my toon (no tattoo armor on me sitting here typing this). If someone dances over my corpse, fine, it's funny because it's an in-game animation. You can poke fun at my in-game name, my ranger pet, etc. See the common denominator? IN-GAME content. Just don't bring up inappropriate non-game comments or behavior.

Don't believe me? Try chatting in the "all" channel all the racist, sexist, and anti-American comments you can muster, and see what happens next. Somehow I'm guessing the mysterious, magical pixels will (somehow) swiftly ban your account and force you back to the single-player games you obviously prefer anyway.

(Wow, why do I get the feeling I'm wasting my time? It's because I am, aren't I? I should have listened to my own original post lol)

Arthas006not7 · Jul 01, 2005, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Know how you feel veil.

chalt2 · Jul 01, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I have read this post from start to here and it comes down to this post for me:

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Now that i scammed this guy it taught him a lesson not to trust others online and maybe he wont be another guy that loses a supiror dragon sword or other precious items now that i taught him a lesson. Wasnt their a guy that said a sucker is born every minute.

So I ask this,

Who did you scam?

Who did you teach a lesson to?

The other character?

You taught the other "character" a lesson, is that what you are saying?

Because if you are saying that you were teaching the other "player" a lesson, how is that possible? You have made it VERY clear in almost every post that you don't do things to the other "player" you actions and words are ONLY intended for the "characters" you interact with.

I'll also make this statement:

I have met MANY people over the years from "on-line" games and met them in real life and every one of them had an essance of their real self in the characters they portrayed, it says something about YOUR character (the real life one)

Quintus · Jul 01, 2005, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Good god! If you look at HellRaiser's post history, you can see that he spammed his way to professor status in 1 day. (Almost entirely in this thread.) I congratulate you on this monumental task, sir. (And by "congratulate you on this monumental task, sir" I mean that I think you should go outside.)

Schorny · Jul 01, 2005, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

I do respect people online but when i want to call some one a noob or make fun of their moms i have their right. As you have the right to complement i have the right to insult. This is not done in real life because in real life we have laws and people now a days will either fight you or kill you in real life if you go to far with insults.

WTF?

Do you think sometimes or just posting?
Thats what you call Real Life also includes this game. If I come to your house and call you some names it as excatly as offending as calling you these name through GW.

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In a online game you are behind a computer.

That is the problem. Just because you are behind a computer does not make it all virtual.

Please take your time and think about it: there are people on the other side you are talking too. These are not fictional characters. These are real people.

Please take your time and read a usenet netiquette. And then, afterwards, come back to GW.

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Plus if i call you a noob in which you are role playing your character in a mmorpg iam not really calling you a Noob in real life.

Of course you do.
It is ME, you call a noob, not a fictional character.
If I call you some mean names in 'RL' would you feel offended? Why?
Take for example: I write you a letter consisting of strong curses about you, your mother, your race, your country etc. Would you feel offended?

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Honestly grow up. =)

Sorry, but YOU need to grow up and see the difference between the internet and RL. The REAL difference not "this is internet" and "this is RL". Just one hint: the difference is not that big. Chatting with someone is similar to talking to someone. The only difference is the way of communication, not communication itself.

I know it is hard to understand, so take your time. Look at the usenet and it's netiquette. You can do it. You can be nice person. It is not hard. Try it at least once, please.

Indigo · Jul 01, 2005, 09:20 AM // 09:20

My favorite assinine quote of the thread has to be:

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Online insulting is who we are, it shows dominence. If i beat you in a 1 on 1 in warcraft III i will taunt you.

Online insulting shows "dominence"[sic]? Dominance is shown by outmaneuvering/outplaying your opponent and forcing them to give up. Insults only show how small of a human being you really are. I know, from reading this useless thread, that I'm spitting in the wind when I say this, but I'm hoping that someone who thinks you're cool will think again before emulating you.

Think about it. You're in your mom's basement (or wherever you dwell), and one of your acquaintances comes over and starts insulting you, your mom, and your entire family. What do you do to such a cretin? Beat them up? Throw them out? Never speak to them again?

Let's just assume that you are just civilized enought to perform one of the latter two. Why did you do that? Because there are rules in polite society that govern how we interact with another human being. And when someone crosses a line, then those people will be removed from our presence in some fashion or another.

In the same way you've broken both unwritten and written rules, that you agreed to when you signed the EULA, when you installed the game. I truly hope that Blizzard makes a game you can go assert your twisted form of "dominence"[sic] in so that you will not bother decent gamers anymore.

Whether you believe it or not, you are not merely interacting with a character on a computer screen. You are interacting with a human being in control of that pixelated character.

The problem is that we, the decent players, sit in a silent majority while 12 year-olds and their mental equivilents, in the minority, run rampant through our games. We paid just as much as these morons for the game, and we continue to let these fools ruin gameplay. Ignoring them is an option that I'm sure the majority of decent gamers exercize, but these kids should be brought back into line. Someone should report "HellRaiser" for blatantly breaking the agreement that he signed with A-Net, when he installed the game (evidence is all here, on these boards, as well as a confession from "HellRaiser"). If we don't start taking back the games we enjoy from "people" like HR, we will start to lose good gaming online. To be substituted by people like HR, who lack the moral fiber and integrity to play a game as it was meant to be played.

Fairly, and by the rules.

KaPe · Jul 01, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28

Damn, go to sleep and thread grows to 16 pages. And just like I knew it would, HR didn't change his mind

Oh well, it was to be expected. Still :

"Online insulting is who we are, it shows dominence. If i beat you in a 1 on 1 in warcraft III i will taunt you. "
And I will /squelch you. That thing works wonder, I don't play the game because I want to listen to some insults.

"Also when i said the warcraft thing, i didnt do it to make fun of you. Arthas is my favorite warcraft character, he also put people in their places when they ran off with the lip to much."
I don't recall Arthas saying "Who the fark is playing this game" - besides, it was all in RP... Same with Illidan - and they both made some comments directed at player.
Edit: Ah, I just remember, better example would be Vulture from SC

Speaking of which, first you say that online and real world are different, and yet you insist that "insult" from player controlled character and *player* are the same.

"Then you all didnt know how to play warcraft III. You had to show dominence in warcraft III. Thats how you gained respect. Nice guys finish last."
Where exactly you had to show this "dominence"? If playing against bad opponent was a waste of time, than suddenly insulting him was not? By the time you finished typing "noob", AMM would've found you a better opponent. Once again, "it's just a game" and yet you care enough about "wasted time" to insult your opponent. 'Sides, who says "nice guys finish last"? Quite often I got insulted after winning, be it "maphack" or some other junk. Gotta love /squelch.