Curse

QTFsniper · Jul 01, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Exploiting and scamming are too different things. Scamming there is always one rule of thumb. If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. I offered the guy 200k for a run to kryta. He even said him self he thinks its a scam but did it any way.

It's under the same book. If you swap two items that look similar in order to trade scam, you are exploiting the trading system. You are switching two similar items that look alike. Technically, is it a "legit" trade? yes. But in a real sense it is not.

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

grammer insults.

Why did you have to write grammer? I wrote it 7-8 posts ago, it used to be "grammar". THX once posted a sticky where he explained why writing in correct english with some punctuation is considered important. It's a matter of respect for the readers. I won't even consider the content of your posts, which definitely speaks by itself.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Black Raine

Mistress Eyahl and others who think like her- You are 100% correct that others should not try to ruin the experience for others in one way or another. There is a real person behind the computer who has feelings. No one should try to hurt others' feelings, but realize, this is just a game, the person offending you does not know the real you. Their comments should be nothing more than the words of a person who has yet to understand you.

Hellraiser and others who think like him- You are also 100% correct that this is just a game. Most people do not truly know eachother and thus are making either comments for fun, or because they do not know the other person well enough, in either case, it should not offend them. Regardless, you have to know and understand that it does offend some people, and you should not do it for that reason.

In conclusion- both people need to realize and come to an understanding on what eachother feel is considered decent conduct. It falls on both people, to deal with the problem. The person being offended needs to learn that this is just a game, and most things said don't have any true weight, though they might hurt you at first. The offender also must know that there is a real person behind the character and regardless of if they had intended to hurt his or her feelings or not, it does hurt some.

There is a *MUTUAL* misunderstanding between the two people. It is not simply one is right and the other is wrong.

/signed.

Anethol Belyzhar · Jul 01, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Iam indulging in civil conversation. You my friend dont like my opionion and cant handle that you have no civil response to my opionion have to turn me out into some troll/spammer as other people like to do when they are backed into a corner.

yer on the one hand saying yer indulging in civil conversation and on the other that insults are part of human nature -> havent you recognized we've tried for several millenia to overcome the instincts of human nature? i hope you have for yer neighbours nose sake... btw ones freedom ends where the freedom of another begins -> so respect everyones right to have a shape that fits his/her soul, whiteskin

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

Why did you have to write grammer? I wrote it 7-8 posts ago, it used to be "grammar". THX once posted a sticky where he explained why writing in correct english with some punctuation is considered important. It's a matter of respect for the readers. I won't even consider the content of your posts, which definitely speaks by itself.

Please and scientist concluded even monkeys can read english words back words. It has been proven human brains can read spelling errors. such as Scuh = such you can still understand it.

When people make fun of others "grammar" its just their last line of defence in a argument

QTFsniper · Jul 01, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Black Raine

Mistress Eyahl and others who think like her- You are 100% correct that others should not try to ruin the experience for others in one way or another. There is a real person behind the computer who has feelings. No one should try to hurt others' feelings, but realize, this is just a game, the person offending you does not know the real you. Their comments should be nothing more than the words of a person who has yet to understand you.

Hellraiser and others who think like him- You are also 100% correct that this is just a game. Most people do not truly know eachother and thus are making either comments for fun, or because they do not know the other person well enough, in either case, it should not offend them. Regardless, you have to know and understand that it does offend some people, and you should not do it for that reason.

In conclusion- both people need to realize and come to an understanding on what eachother feel is considered decent conduct. It falls on both people, to deal with the problem. The person being offended needs to learn that this is just a game, and most things said don't have any true weight, though they might hurt you at first. The offender also must know that there is a real person behind the character and regardless of if they had intended to hurt his or her feelings or not, it does hurt some.

There is a *MUTUAL* misunderstanding between the two people. It is not simply one is right and the other is wrong.

But you have to realize that most of the time there is not a fun intent behind the insult. The person is out to personally attack the person either by making him pissed off [like i am] or anything you see fit to insert here.

"While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

But yes, I mostly agree with your post.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Anethol Belyzhar

yer on the one hand saying yer indulging in civil conversation and on the other that insults are part of human nature -> havent you recognized we've tried for several millenia to overcome the instincts of human nature? i hope you have for yer neighbours nose sake... btw ones freedom ends where the freedom of another begins -> so respect everyones right to have a shape that fits his/her soul, whiteskin

What?

Alderman Sweet · Jul 01, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

My head . . . exploding . . .

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

When people make fun of others "grammar" its just their last line of defence in a argument

Yes, like I needed a line of defence. Any comment on what you wrote is just wasted time to me, but making some irony on the fact that you couldn't even express your absurd points in a decent English was fun.

By the way, are you one of those monkeys you talk about? If so, gratz! You almost looked like a man to me.

QTFsniper · Jul 01, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Please and scientist concluded even monkeys can read english words back words. It has been proven human brains can read spelling errors. such as Scuh = such you can still understand it.

When people make fun of others "grammar" its just their last line of defence in a argument

It's not a last line of defense. It's hard to take a person seriously who says they want to have a civil conversation but doesnt want to reread his post to make sure it actually looks well. HINT: any official document

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

being called a noob in a mmo is fun to me. I like being called a noob that way when i work on my skills i can get vengence to that person online. When people say your mom is what ever or you are a retard...ect in guildwars i dont take it personally as they dont know me in real life and probably never will.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by QTFsniper

It's not a last line of defense. It's hard to take a person seriously who says they want to have a civil conversation but doesnt want to reread his post to make sure it actually looks well. HINT: any official document

Grammar insults are a last line of defence. An is making fun of some ones grammar any better then me calling you a noob? What happens if that person in real life are not that great at grammar/english.

Mistress Eyahl · Jul 01, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Black Raine makes a very good point. A lot of the time I have come across people who casually throw an insult. The difference between them and people like Hellraiser is remorse.

I think we can ALL see that HR doesn't give ten elephants WHO he hurts and how, basically he sees it as his freedom of speech. His type of person is completely different to the others.
You are most welcome to make a comment about someone, only to realise you put your foot in it and then apologise afterwards. I think what we are all in agreement about is people like HR who think it's their RIGHT to act however they wish, need to see the bigger picture.

HR, just a comment. So many people are against what you say.. don't you think that that many people thinking the same thing might have a point? Maybe you should set your pride aside and admit that insulting a digital character controlled by a person is more than what you first thought?

Oh and Darren, I replied to you via PM to keep this on topic.

Indigo · Jul 01, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

being called a noob in a mmo is fun to me. I like being called a noob that way when i work on my skills i can get vengence to that person online. When people say your mom is what ever or you are a retard...ect in guildwars i dont take it personally as they dont know me in real life and probably never will.

Your idea of fun is skewed. Vengeance? I've heard all I need to.

QTFsniper · Jul 01, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Grammar insults are a last line of defence. An is making fun of some ones grammar any better then me calling you a noob? What happens if that person in real life are not that great at grammar/english.

Then that person needs to take some grammar classes. It's worthwhile for them in the long run and helps if they want to be taken seriously. Anyways, being a noob and bad grammer usually coincide with each other.

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Indigo

Your idea of fun is skewed. Vengeance? I've heard all I need to.

Actually you heard "vengence", but you interpreted "vengeance". My head hurts.

KaPe · Jul 01, 2005, 01:51 AM // 01:51

"/signed."

Maybe you should re-read what you just agreed with. "Regardless, you have to know and understand that it does offend some people, and you should not do it for that reason.
"

gamer87 · Jul 01, 2005, 01:51 AM // 01:51

no one needs any last line of defence in this arguement. Our last line of defence has more weight than the first of yours. I disagree with what was said before although it is indeed the responsibilty of both people you should choose your words carefully. It is my responsibility to ensure that people like hellraiser don't feel as though we are encouraging their behaviour. Do not take things to seriously but do not mock others that place a greater emphasis on something. if it is unimportant to you why not concede or actually pay out the dividend they are entiteld to. If it is merely a game to you then you should learn to understand that it is more to others, and decide hey perhaps i will not cheat for I feel it is only a game. I know I am simply recanting what I have said before but i am emphasizing it as no one has made reference to any of my comments, and i feel as though i am going unnoticed.

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:51 AM // 01:51

A digitial character controlled by a real person.. so if a digital character such as a npc makes fun of my digital character should i sue the people that made guildwars? Since iam the person behind my character that iam controlling?

HellRaiser · Jul 01, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I signed it because i also agree with him. I agree with you guys that insulting can go to far and insulting is also a bad habit but on the other hand you guys have to agree with me that this is just a game and some people also take the game way to far.