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Old Jul 05, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50   #21
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Perhaps something could be instituted that, if you're X number of levels above the monsters in the area, the number of henchmen you can schlep along is reduced. Besides, they're not much good other than as meatshields anyhow given their low levels.
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Old Jul 05, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04   #22
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While I find 0 xp frustrating sometimes as well, anything ANet does to screw over cheaters, hackers, or botters, is 100% fine with me. I'll live with my 0 xp if it makes them even the tiniest bit more miserable.
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Old Jul 05, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08   #23
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While I find 0 xp frustrating sometimes as well, anything ANet does to screw over cheaters, hackers, or botters, is 100% fine with me. I'll live with my 0 xp if it makes them even the tiniest bit more miserable.

so if they took gold and purple weapons as well as runes out of the game you'd be fine with that?
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Old Jul 05, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14   #24
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Forgive my poor humor for a moment, but I get so FEW purple and gold drops, that I'd hardly notice them if they were gone.
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Old Jul 05, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15   #25
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LOL, Aracos79!
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Old Jul 05, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22   #26
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So, you'd get 20 exp for killing monster above your level and 6 for squashing a bug that couldn't even touch you? Sounds fair.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24   #27
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So, you'd get 20 exp for killing monster above your level and 6 for squashing a bug that couldn't even touch you? Sounds fair.
The point is there are no creatures that cannot touch you.
(read game mechanics / AC for details of possible exceptions due to specific builds / ac max outs, but even these max outs are on a timer so would offer invunerability for a limited time only.)
You only get 20xp for the creature higher than you because you have henchmen with you, if you could kill it without them you would get 100+ xp.
Also you need upto 22,000 xp to earn a skill point, at 6xp a kill it is definately not an instant thing.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 07:33 AM // 07:33   #28
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Frankly, If NCsoft does their job and keeps the botters out of the game we got nothin' to worry about.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 11:10 AM // 11:10   #29
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No they don't. They want to cut down on botting. Their PR has said it themselves, they have nothing against farming and if you want to, by all means, go ahead. Not in those exact words though.

Oh, and btw, check this shiznit out:
Funny picture, where is it from? Is there some cryptic link to this thread that I am missing? Heh heh it would be funny without that guy in the corner too.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 11:14 AM // 11:14   #30
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"The point is there are no creatures that cannot touch you.
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Not really. I don't think "killing" me in 100 blows counts as "touching". Hell, you can destroy entire Charr "army" in first mission with high level Elementalist(or someone with good AOE).
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 11:24 AM // 11:24   #31
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The game is not ment to be played solo.

But the DP thing is really an issue. But a very minor one - because normally you don't die in low level areas. And in the desert and after that all enemies give XP. So the "no xp thing" is only a 'problem' if you really go to low level areas. And 1 xp would really mean nothing. If you kill 500 enemies in the low level areas, like the tengus (which are not so low level) then you gained 500xp. Is that really worth the time? No.

But playing Nolani all over again (by just opening the front door) you easily kill 20-30 charrs within 1 minute or two. A bot can easily play this, because you don't need much to do. 20 xp in 1 minute is not terrible good, but if a bot plays it, he can gain all xp he want.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36   #32
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2 things I have to say

1)this is insanely funny

2)just give us a bit of xp when we go to help out friends when they're at ascalon, c'mon, how happy do you think I am when after getting mauled by charr (at lvl 20) I still get-wait let me guess-0xp. Maybe only give us xp to work off the DP then when you have 0DP then get xp to work it off.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 11:51 AM // 11:51   #33
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Funny picture, where is it from? Is there some cryptic link to this thread that I am missing? Heh heh it would be funny without that guy in the corner too.
No, I just uploaded a random picture
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 12:58 PM // 12:58   #34
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Frankly, If NCsoft does their job and keeps the botters out of the game we got nothin' to worry about.
You know, that's about the dumbest thing anyone has written on this forum in a long time. You obviously have NO idea what it takes to produce, code and maintain a game, do you?

Do us all a favor and read up on the problems and difficulties of producing a game and -then- speak up again.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05   #35
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Alas it seems you are clueless, humour is a gift, you seem to lack, it can as you say make lots of different builds, it can for the inexperianced player create lots of options which can lead to crappy builds.
Look. You said that increasing options increases your chances to make crappy builds, as an argument that more options = weaker. That is wrong, only if you cobble junk together is that true - what it does do is improve your flexibility, and allow you new builds which is good. You were wrong, or mispoke, and I mocked the idea that more skills could be a bad thing - it would only be daunting to someone who had no idea how to build a character.

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So I ask again how will it effect my game?
The answer has been posted several times. It would encourage repetitive farming of easy low level areas for experience. Since killing in many areas can be done without the slightest effort it would allow botting more easily. This botting would render pointless the skill point system, and would probably result in blank accounts being for sale with all skills unlocked on ebay. This is bad for ANet, as they have stated that they will try to prevent cheats, botting, and sale of in game items/characters. Anything bad for ANet is bad for GW overall. Will it affect you? I don't know, you seem pretty selfish, it's all about whether you get experience, even if it is to the detriment of the community, so it probably won't affect you. It will affect many others though, and that's why it won't happen.

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Bots as Algren Cole posted are not exactly feesable in xp hunting, especially as they do add some randomisation the areas, not alot, but alittle.
No, Algren Cole is wrong. It doesn't take any skill with bot design to make a bot that can kill simple enemies. Provided none of the skills need targetting simply running X feet in a direction into a zone and firing off spells will get some aggro on you and will wipe out some foes. You don't have to kill everythin, you don't even have to kill anything on every run - if 80 % of the time when you run a given route into a mission you end up with a train of (lets say) 8 Charr or Grawl or something on you, stop, fire off PBAoE stuff, then warp to town and repeat it is perfectly efficient as far as the botter is concerned. It doesn't have to involve anything complex, killing all the foes or anything like that - just killing regularly enough to gain experience at an appreciable rate.

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The challage is simple, go and fight 7 Tengu solo, without henchmen, they are only lvl 13. Go do the northwall without henchmen and kill all the Charr, they are only level 8 instead of running to complete mission. There is challange in these things and no reward xp wise. Go solo antheas Ashes without henchmen. There are lots of quests, and areas that do pose a challange if you solo, and dont take henchmen.
There will be tough areas for any build to solo. So you don't run a bot in those areas, you pick easy ones for your build. As for doing these things, it's academic with the right builds. I can solo altheas ashes with a necromancer easily - I only have to be able to kill a few to get an army started, and the density of enemies is easily enough to get my force rolling. Examples of what might be hard for one character can be easy with another. Easy kills shouldn't be worth experience - I don't learn anything from it, and learning is what experience represents - that's why you don't get any. A lvl 20 character learns nothing by fighting a level 8 charr, or even a horde of them. If you don't learn you don't gain experience. A grandmaster won't get any better stomping me in chess, or even stomping 200 of me. You don't get any better beating foes that are beneath you.

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The mechanics of GW mean that no matter how high or low a level creature you are fighting, it will always hit and you will take damage, unless you in a stance.
Umm, except that any monk or */monk can negate the damage through enchaantments. Or that an elementalist can negate the damage by casting, or a necromancer can just gain it back faster than they can deal it through steals and such. Sure, they deal damage, but if you can keep your healing rate above their damage rate while killing them you can take anything. There are so many ways for a player to exceed the ability of the foes to hurt them that it is unarguable.
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Frankly, If NCsoft does their job and keeps the botters out of the game we got nothin' to worry about.

am I the only person on this forum that realizes this is an impossible dream? You've got a better shot of becoming Brad Pitt than you do of having ArenaNet stop botters.

Epinephrine...you obviously have very little experience programming.....if a character were to run out into the middle of a field where char or grawl are and fire off AoE spells to aggro there's no way in hell the character could stand there long enough to kill everything without doing any type of healing/movement....not to mention at this point you haven't even targeted anything yet...you're standing in a field firing off spells without a target...how efficient is that going to be? A Bot isn't efficient if it dies every 2 minutes.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04   #37
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am I the only person on this forum that realizes this is an impossible dream? You've got a better shot of becoming Brad Pitt than you do of having ArenaNet stop botters.
While I hate to think you're right, I do appreciate the Brad Pitt part. LOL!
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19   #38
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The answer has been posted several times. It would encourage repetitive farming of easy low level areas for experience. Since killing in many areas can be done without the slightest effort it would allow botting more easily. This botting would render pointless the skill point system, and would probably result in blank accounts being for sale with all skills unlocked on ebay. This is bad for ANet, as they have stated that they will try to prevent cheats, botting, and sale of in game items/characters. Anything bad for ANet is bad for GW overall. Will it affect you? I don't know, you seem pretty selfish, it's all about whether you get experience, even if it is to the detriment of the community, so it probably won't affect you. It will affect many others though, and that's why it won't happen.
Spoken like a true fanboy. I have been playing these types of games for years, and having a low level creature that gives me 6xp does not encourage me to kill it more than a creature that rewards me 100xp simple maths.
Botting is a minority not a majority, those that bott and get caught get banned, simple. It would still not effect my game, in fact all the botting, that has happened hasn't affected my game, or my time playing the game one bit, other that the improvements that A.net have made to even out the economy. Which they would have had to do sooner or later reguardless of player botts or not. It would not be bad for A.net to set a min xp, as they openly encourage xp gain, they want you to max out your character, they want you to play till you get all your skills unlocked. It would not increase the speed at which people will gain skills, 6-8xp for a kill = alot of kills for one skill, when there are better places to do the same thing.
Your whole arguement revolves around botting. I don't know how or want to know how to bott, I play the game simple as that. Having all the skills seems fairly pointless to me, having a good selection for your fav class is worth while, but All the PvP templates are actually very deadly if you use them with skill. They all offer different skills and elite skills to use.
People will bott if they want to, just as there will always be players who cheat. Rewarding 6-8xp per kill for low level creatures will not stop or encourage it.
And what makes you think people won't sell their accounts on Ebay anyway?? Its a big business these days that goes hand in hand with and online Rpg game. Thats why Sony have endorsed in through there website and offer secure trading for a commission for EQ and EQ2. Its a multi million dollar industry already.

Speaking of sales of accounts and items, It seems that it is already a growing event, and NCsoft don't like it.
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We have also undertaken direct action to deal with the increasing number of auctions of in-game items for real-world currency. It is strictly against the policies of Guild Wars and NCsoft to allow such sales, and we will continue diligently to close such auctions.
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Old Jul 06, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28   #39
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You know, that's about the dumbest thing anyone has written on this forum in a long time. You obviously have NO idea what it takes to produce, code and maintain a game, do you?

Do us all a favor and read up on the problems and difficulties of producing a game and -then- speak up again.
I AM a game designer thank you very much, and it doesn't matter how much effort it takes they've said time and time again how they are going to keep this game free of cheats and so they have to stick to that not to mention the fact that the ammount of work doesnt matter: they need to do it to keep their PAYING customers happy. I'm not syaing I don't appreciate it but it can be compared to an appreciation for a resauraunt serving your food. (granted you pay after but if it was some sort of resauraunt where you paid in advance.)
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am I the only person on this forum that realizes this is an impossible dream? You've got a better shot of becoming Brad Pitt than you do of having ArenaNet stop botters.
Arena net has already stopped botters.
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