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Zuggy · Jul 09, 2005, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I think there is a line. Charging people for the Droknar's and Yak's Bend runs is reasonable because they are time consuming, and take skill. However, charging to go to Piken Square, Gates of Kryta or any other of these small exersions is rediculous.

Note to Self: must check if ranger can make Yak's Bend Run.

BlaineTog · Jul 09, 2005, 09:59 AM // 09:59

I would pay a few plat just to watch someone run from Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge, to tell you the truth. I mean, I've heard of it being done, but I've never been able to get past the first area.

@ wheel: I don't suppose you have any tips for players looking to get into the biz, do you?

Charcoal Ann · Jul 09, 2005, 10:18 AM // 10:18

I have always been very charge in-game. I have talked to runners and many say that they do it for fun. why then do they need to charge? I have suggested many times that it should be done on a donation basis. Players pay what they can afford once they reach a destination. i have spent hours aiding newer players in the ascalon area and no matter how many times i say it is free many still insist on giving money for my help (not that i make a profit, one time i gave a guy 3 vials of dye and at the end he gave me 50g for the help :-). i am thinking of making a warrior monk for the purpose of leading the curséd runners who charge in to the blessed light of charity.

In conclusion: Donations not upfront price quotes are the way forward.

LathalDraugr · Jul 09, 2005, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

I have always been very charge in-game. I have talked to runners and many say that they do it for fun. why then do they need to charge? I have suggested many times that it should be done on a donation basis. Players pay what they can afford once they reach a destination. i have spent hours aiding newer players in the ascalon area and no matter how many times i say it is free many still insist on giving money for my help (not that i make a profit, one time i gave a guy 3 vials of dye and at the end he gave me 50g for the help :-). i am thinking of making a warrior monk for the purpose of leading the curséd runners who charge in to the blessed light of charity.

In conclusion: Donations not upfront price quotes are the way forward.

For Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge the simple answer is no, never going to happen. 20ish minutes of the hardest parts of the game outside of high level pvp compared to helping new players round the easiest part of PvE is not really comparable. Sure there are people who offer free runs from time to time but they aren't going to stand around trying to explain to people what a Droknar rusher is then spend the rest of the day running people down to Droknars for free. You'll be lucky if they do it once a week. For running people through other parts of the game, it may well be that it's just as easy to get someone to do it for free. But with the Droknar run it's an entirely different issue. Basically the Droknar run is only ever going to be done on a regular basis by people who are making money from it, you might get lucky and find a helpful person willing to do it for free but they aren't going to spend the next 4 hours running people. The people who charge 4k might be willing to put up with it for the next 4 hours though.

Celes Tial · Jul 09, 2005, 11:19 AM // 11:19

I played the game the way it was meant to be played the first 2 times through.

For the third time, I paid a runner. Having maxed armor made doing the same quests / missions for the third time a little more interesting, and challenging in a different way - ever tried to do the Wilds without henchmen OR players?

Aniewiel · Jul 09, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Perhaps making some sort of area for runners looking for people to 'run' should be placed in the major cities? That way, people wanting to be taken somewhere could find them there. It would be nice, too, if that area's chat was confined to that spot so that the public channel wouldn't have to be spammed. Let's face it, we're not likely to see anyone ever use the trade channel, dammit.

Here's an imagined story that seems, on the surface, as if it should work:

Player A hires Player B for 2k.
Player A parties up and pays 1/2 the gold now, 1/2 to be paid at the end of the mission.
Players exit and begin the 'run'.
Player B ditches Player A, leaving them in a most undesireable place but still pockets 1/2 the gold, thereby turning a profit for being a jerk.

Money exchanged should have to be placed in a holding account until the stated objective is reached.

Aniewiel · Jul 09, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

/small rant

I'm so sick of being told that anyone wanting to help others is a goody goody and that nice guys finish last and all that bullsheet. Are intelligent discussions not possible without blatant name-calling?

/end rant

Calrisian Nantos · Jul 09, 2005, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by BlaineTog

I would pay a few plat just to watch someone run from Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge, to tell you the truth. I mean, I've heard of it being done, but I've never been able to get past the first area.

I did this recently after doing all the missions up to Draknars,I got in a group that was running to Rankor and I hadnt got up there yet from Draknars and I really wanted to see the run get done so I payed 2k to watch and get to rankor,it was really cool actually,the two warriors had to use some teamwork to get thru it,they were really cool and didnt ask anyone to pay untill we reached snakedance,then the other half at Rankor,was a fun thing to watch,I would recomend this to anyone with 30 miniutes to kill that ofcourse hasnt seen it or done it yet.

Whats with the sour grapes about people running people? Those who are against this sound to me like they need to mind thier own buisness and not worry about how others play thier game(especially when it's not exploiting or cheating) just leave it alone and get over it

Alderman Sweet · Jul 09, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Money exchanged should have to be placed in a holding account until the stated objective is reached.

This is a very good idea.

Mavrik · Jul 09, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

first run I ever went on was to Temple of Ages from the Hot Springs as I had tried countless times, was down -60something percent with only 199HP of life max left. I was pretty pissed about every time I died, it was usually to hords of enemies summoned from my previous death's corpse. Now same with Draknor... I have tried countless times to get my lv18 E/mo butt over there with out success, usually ALWAYS dying where you first see those damn worms. Countless times I have tried and every time, pretty much the same place every time till I'm so - moral its pointless to try anymore.

I got a run to the temple of ages from a really nice and really fast warrior who said "Running people to TOA, Free but donations appreciated." I gave him some gold upon arrival cause it was a nice gesture since he was so unlike everyone else "1000gold for run" and so forth.

Plenty of scammers just waiting for some poor frustrated sucker who eventually gives up and wants a run to Draknor. "1500 now, 1500 upon arrival." Personally its a trust issue if you want to get a run there. You can trust them with not ditching the group and having your money... Or simply they can trust you, that your thankful enough to have made it that you will pay them $3000 upon arrival.

For the sake of my computer's survival... I'll keep trying to find an honest runner to get me to draknor.

Charcoal Ann · Jul 09, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22

i would be willing to do the Droknar run on a donation basis. all of those to whom i have spoken say that the run is fun. surely that is what the game was made for? I have been run twice to Droknars and both times the quoted price was free at the end i still paid what i could afford. i don't see why 'nice guys finish last', i have made many friends by helping others and they help me when i need it, my guild is small and crappy so i need friends, i think that a bit of charity work would do wonders for the mindset in this game.

anyway i spent HOURS helping little people for little or no gain and still i do it. its not like helping a lvl 2 through The Great Northern Wall, which takes no time at all, but helping them clear up all their quests. i have spent as much as 3 hours helping a group.

Alderman Sweet · Jul 09, 2005, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Getting to ToA with Bergin henchmen was . . . ahem . . . interesting. Basically, I made up my mind that I was going to spend a lot of time at the res shrine with -60 dp -- which I did. It was pitiful and hilarious. After a while, I was laughing and having a good time watching the rezzes and instant deaths. But then the pattern broke and I was able to kill one monster, then two, etc. We finally got away from the shrine, only to get massacred again. Long story short: we limped to the place where I could finally see the ToA entrance. I said goodbye to the henches and bolted, barely making it. Once inside ToA, I was pretty unimpressed. I thought there would be something besides the UW business -- some unique craft area or whatever. Oh well. It's on my map anyway.

[edit] -- Yes, I know UW is the point of ToA and the rewards can be sumptuous, etc. I just haven't been interested in trying it so far. I suppose I should pay my plat and have a go at it.

Calrisian Nantos · Jul 09, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

In response to Charcoal Ann
Yeah I give away low req weapons at piken square that noone there would have access to unless they bought them for rediculous prices in ascalon,weapons i find from Talus chute farming runs,most near or max dmg,some people cant believe it and are so happy they try to give me everything they have,I just tell them to pay it forward to others and wish them good luck,its my way of spreading goodness through this awsome gaming community,and I hope it rubs off on the newer folks

Charcoal Ann · Jul 09, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Aye the world would be much better if there were more like you in it.

Klmpee · Jul 09, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Mavrik

I have tried countless times to get my lv18 E/mo butt over there with out success, usually ALWAYS dying where you first see those damn worms. Countless times I have tried and every time, pretty much the same place every time till I'm so - moral its pointless to try anymore.

i have the same problem.. i would always die by the first cave cause a ice imp mind freezes me then the wurms pop up and im walking at the speed of my grandmama

.. couple days okay me and some freinds were waiting to go to FoW but then we lost favor.. so we all said lets try the run to draknor.. everyone dies im still alive.. i dont kno where the hell im going and i die.. group brakes up and we say "F THIS CRAP".. so to alll those who run there.. i most say.. u guys are like invincible

LathalDraugr · Jul 09, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

i would be willing to do the Droknar run on a donation basis. all of those to whom i have spoken say that the run is fun. surely that is what the game was made for? I have been run twice to Droknars and both times the quoted price was free at the end i still paid what i could afford. i don't see why 'nice guys finish last', i have made many friends by helping others and they help me when i need it, my guild is small and crappy so i need friends, i think that a bit of charity work would do wonders for the mindset in this game.

anyway i spent HOURS helping little people for little or no gain and still i do it. its not like helping a lvl 2 through The Great Northern Wall, which takes no time at all, but helping them clear up all their quests. i have spent as much as 3 hours helping a group.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to discourage you and if there's any help or advice I can give if you're making your runner I'll be happy to help. But the fact is, a droknars run takes 20 minutes at least even if you're moving very fast and usually by the time you put a group together, answered their questions etc we're talking at least half an hour. So at half an hour per run, how many free or donation runs would you be doing per day on average? Cause my guess is not a lot. Even if you set aside 4 hours per day that's still only 8 runs at a max of 5 people per run thats only 40 people per day. And that's assuming you have enough to pay for the start up armour, runes and equipment and are capable of doing the runs in 20-25mins

I'm not doubting your willingness to help other people I just think that Droknar rushing for money is here to stay. Hey maybe you're right and everyone will do it for free but I seriously doubt that free Droknars rushing will ever be anything other than an exception.

I personally have ran whole groups for free but I wouldn't spend all day doing that because while it's a challenge and exhilarating to make it, it simply isn't worth doing that often for free.

Serafita Kayin · Jul 09, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Calrisian Nantos

In response to Charcoal Ann
Yeah I give away low req weapons at piken square that noone there would have access to unless they bought them for rediculous prices in ascalon,weapons i find from Talus chute farming runs,most near or max dmg,some people cant believe it and are so happy they try to give me everything they have,I just tell them to pay it forward to others and wish them good luck,its my way of spreading goodness through this awsome gaming community,and I hope it rubs off on the newer folks

I do the same, about time for Santa Kayin to make a reappearance...

Charcoal Ann · Jul 09, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by LathalDraugr

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to discourage you and if there's any help or advice I can give if you're making your runner I'll be happy to help. But the fact is, a droknars run takes 20 minutes at least even if you're moving very fast and usually by the time you put a group together, answered their questions etc we're talking at least half an hour. So at half an hour per run, how many free or donation runs would you be doing per day on average? Cause my guess is not a lot. Even if you set aside 4 hours per day that's still only 8 runs at a max of 5 people per run thats only 40 people per day. And that's assuming you have enough to pay for the start up armour, runes and equipment and are capable of doing the runs in 20-25mins

Good point........maybe i'll recrute like-minded individuals into my guild.

Still i don't see much problem with my donation idea (but then I wouldn't) less lucrative yes but much better Karma.

Calrisian Nantos · Jul 09, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

I do the same, about time for Santa Kayin to make a reappearance...

Hey did you get my pm I sent you? I live in Birmingham aswell,we should party up sometime,and if you still need to do the desert missions I'd be glad to help

Odd Sock · Jul 09, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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