Curse

Thanas · Jul 11, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I said that RL (phone/door) takes precedence over the game a number of times, read my posts before you call me out. Thanks, bye.

I have read your posts. The main points you make are

-You don't like peple to go AFK without saying why or how long they are going to be.
-You expect people to be very organised when playing the game.
-That you don't mind if people go afk for a random event. (You however do not define a random event, you simply give a few examples. Your defintion is very lose.)

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I am one of the most disorganised people you will ever meet, but I know how to spare a couple of hours for a game.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Usually when someone is cooking for me they make a point of telling me in advance "dinner is at such and such a time". This is to make sure that person is not off doing something else at the time.

Like pee-break timings, I thought this was a common thing everyone knew in life?

Time in the real world does not always compartmentalize. Some people are by their very nature disorganised and so is their time. This is the way they live however. Should they not be allowed to play these games. And "No" this is not the same for everyone. YEs you live a particular way but as people are varies so are their lifestyles. Generalisation is a dangerous habit! From your previous posts which I have read] you come across as a very organised person. Let me refresh you.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I personally, since I was a child, learned how to control/plan my eating habits and potty breaks when I'm in a situation that requires me to accomplish a task with or without other people.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Well, I'm sorry, but I just disagree. When I was a child I was taught things like "make sure you go to the loo before getting in the car", "make sure you use the loo at break because that's what breaks are for", and so on.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

The problem is that it's so easy to do these things beforehand, why not even try? Why make excuses? It shouldn't even require effort, I consider it sort of immature in a way that someone cannot control their bodily functions (unless there's an underlying medical problem.)

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

This is when you need to realise that gaming is a pass-time activity and you do it in your spare time. I don't even open Guild Wars, or any other game, unless I'm sure I'm not doing anything for the next couple of hours.

I think that too many people either have their priorities out of whack or don't know some simple self control.

Like I said, not an issue for me because I *gasp* go before a mission and don't drink silly amount during it.

To be honest, if my ignore list was longer, I'd ignore everyone who didn't think about having a drink/pee or even considering their free-time before committing to a mission.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

So eat beforehand? Sounds to me like your priorities are just in the wrong places.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I think a few people in this thread have no concept of communication and planning. Period.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I expect anyone who is not a small child to be able to control/plan all of these things, as I've said over and over. I don't find them reasonable excuses.

........etc etc. You're either super organised or being a hypocrit. Your choice.

MuKen · Jul 11, 2005, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Thanas

........etc etc. You're either super organised or being a hypocrit. Your choice.

So he's very organized, so what? It doesn't change the point. I'm NOT very organized, but I still know that it's selfish and rude to make SEVEN people wait for me (ONE person) to do some little errand, so I try to minimize how often that happens and apologize when it's unavoidable.

The degree of organization he's asking for is not unreasonable. I go to the bathroom beforehand if I am able (and if I'm not, then I'll probably be able to hold later if it does come up) and if I feel the need to play near a mealtime I DO IT WITH HENCHMEN. Don't like using henchmen? Then don't play when you know you can't commit enough time to do a full mission.

From the sound of it, the OP makes everyone wait around for him on a fairly regular basis, and is not very apologetic at all.

Silmor · Jul 11, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Thanas, Principa Discordia calls for simple organizational skills that everyone should possess. Knowing when you'll likely be hungry and in need of a toilet break should be concepts anyone past the toddler stage should be familiar with (and if you're 'different' in the sense of mental and/or physical deficiencies, that's a problem you've likely had to solve long before GW came out), but they can still be terrible at planning anything more complex.

There is no mention of 'very organized', that's just a value you attribute to the level of planning suggested (and I entirely disagree with this evaluation), so your conclusion becomes pretty much a straw-man argument.

Dalia · Jul 11, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

When I'm forming a group, unless it's a mission with time constraints (like a timer), I shout out one phrase that I've found very useful:

"Pee breaks may be included!"

Not only does this tend to draw the kind of people I can get along with (folks with a sense of humor and some understanding that breaks are sometimes necessary), but if someone does holler "afk" or "brb" during the mission/quest, I add, "Pee break!" The group went in knowing there would be a break somewhere so it's no big deal.

I do have a kind of odd question for the original poster, though. Were you eating pork chops by any chance?

Dalia

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Geez, Thanas! Did go through that "find all posts by Principa Discordia" option in his/her bio? LOL! Don't pick on Principa. Many of us are saying the same thing.

If you are a disorganized person and the chances are pretty high that "something's going to come up" that takes prescedence over the mission/game, then you should inform the people with whom you wish to game. It is only fair that they make the decision whether or not you are welcome in the group. If you're not, you can soothe your ruffled feathers by screaming "FU" at the whole group and then go find others of like minds...or a group that doesn't mind when someone goes for extended breaks.

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Knowing when you'll likely be hungry and in need of a toilet break should be concepts anyone past the toddler stage should be familiar with (and if you're 'different' in the sense of mental and/or physical deficiencies, that's a problem you've likely had to solve long before GW came out)

The words in boldface are the keys to this whole concept. LOL! Well said, Silmor.

You don't have to be "organized" to know that there is a high liklihood of having to go to the bathroom if you've had a lot to drink and/or that dinner may be on its way when you smell the frying burgers wafting your way.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Thanas, please read the last couple of posts in this thread. They make my point even better than I do. Thx!

bobrath · Jul 11, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

I know I'm going to end up restating parts of the previous 6 pages of posts... but it seems there's a common thread for the excuses for going afk.

If you've been playing this game long enough to be able to get into Fissure... then you know how long missions can take (and probably know that FoW can talk multiple hours). So why on God's Green Earth would you join up with a group if you're going to have something in RL come up that will take you away from the computer? Eating dinner is not a short thing, going to pick up kids is not a short thing, writing a term paper is not a short thing.... So have a small bit of common courtesy and apply some of your vaste in game knowledge. If your group won't have a reasonable chance of finishing a mission, quest, run, or skill cap before your real life will get in the way... Just Don't Join.

Get some henchies, they don't mind when you leave them standing there for 30 minutes while you eat your quiche.

asdar · Jul 11, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

I don't even see how anyone can defend his actions. It's mind boggling to me to think about going afk without good reason and if I had an emergency bathroom break I could say that in chat and then I'd hustle it up.

Eating is not something I'd take a break for. If you take a 15 minute eating break you should apologize for your lack of foresight and then quit the group. Leeching is never acceptable without permission.

My 7 year old would be more considerate than the original poster. Buy a single player RPG for goodness sake and quit acting like other people don't matter.

Diomedes · Jul 11, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by asdar

I don't even see how anyone can defend his actions. It's mind boggling to me to think about going afk without good reason and if I had an emergency bathroom break I could say that in chat and then I'd hustle it up.

Eating is not something I'd take a break for. If you take a 15 minute eating break you should apologize for your lack of foresight and then quit the group. Leeching is never acceptable without permission.

My 7 year old would be more considerate than the original poster. Buy a single player RPG for goodness sake and quit acting like other people don't matter.

See I agree with this a lot. I think there's two issues at play here. One issue is going afk. That is annoying at times, but I usually don't mind as long as it's short. I think that the person who suggested giving an eta (ex, "brb in 1 min, grabbing a beer") is onto something and I think I'll prob start doing that if I need to go run somewhere (I also tend to wait for a moment when the party is waiting on energy and ressing people however to go make that mad dash). Anyhow, so long as it's not too long and the group is fine with it, I'm fine with waiting patiently for a minute or two, no biggie.

The second issue however is the leeching issue. That annoys me a lot. Guildies are one thing, but in a pug, if you're leaving half way through a mission, I think you should drop. I just don't think that you should continue to split the exp and drops if you're not at keys, it annoys the crud out of me (esp when the afk guy gets a glob of ecto or something).

-Diomedes

Algren Cole · Jul 11, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by asdar

I don't even see how anyone can defend his actions. It's mind boggling to me to think about going afk without good reason and if I had an emergency bathroom break I could say that in chat and then I'd hustle it up.

Eating is not something I'd take a break for. If you take a 15 minute eating break you should apologize for your lack of foresight and then quit the group. Leeching is never acceptable without permission.

My 7 year old would be more considerate than the original poster. Buy a single player RPG for goodness sake and quit acting like other people don't matter.

take video games too seriously??

jesus...this is a video game. If someone needs to take a break for 15 minutes to eat(god forbid he/she get hungry)...there is a plethora of other things I could use that 15 minutes for while waiting for him to finish eating(how dare he get hungry during the course of the day...or god forbid have to take a leak)....

eventhorizen · Jul 11, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

If you cant have the decency to stay out of groups about to enter missions while your eating, then dont play MMO games. A certain level of socially acceptable behaviour is expected, but if it cant be displayed thats your problem, and will continue to be your problem.

If 7 people want to do a Guild Wars mission, but you actually are doing something else, why interrupt their game when you understood what they wanted? Thats bad manners plain and simple, stop trying to sound yourself out as the injured party, you have no manners and I find it amusing you would like to tell everyone this on a public forum.

Arrogant self obssessed mannerless kiddies for the lose.

MuKen · Jul 11, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

take video games too seriously??

jesus...this is a video game. If someone needs to take a break for 15 minutes to eat(god forbid he/she get hungry)...there is a plethora of other things I could use that 15 minutes for while waiting for him to finish eating(how dare he get hungry during the course of the day...or god forbid have to take a leak)....

This has nothing to do with video games, it's simply what is common courtesy when doing ANY activity with other people. If you're not going to be able to respect other people's time, then don't group with them. If you join a group for the purpose of playing GW, then you play GW, and if you can't do that consistently, then play a single player game.

How would you feel if you had 2 hours free to play GW after work, and you joined a group with 7 other people, each of which had to take 15 minutes off to do random things? Now 1:45 of your 2:00 has been spent NOT playing GW. Now if it's not right for everyone to go doing that, then why do you think YOU are special it's ok for YOU alone to do that?

Priam · Jul 11, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

How is any group supposed to stop for Break when you've got Ubar Da Warrior, and his sidekick Speedy Arrowflinger the Ranger running across the map agro'ing every mob in sight crying out in team chat...Faster...go go go, and how could I forgot the "heal me".

I have had the freeloaders join my groups before, for travel and for missions, each time I've proven to them just how worthless their toon's are by completing the mission/journey without them. I will not ever let them freeload more than one map off me though; they get the boot in town and added to my ignore list(hope they increase the size of this). I am always willing to wait a couple minutes for a nature call, if the nature call seems to be taking more than just a couple minutes, I leave them behind, and they can catch up when they return. Same if someone is grabbing a snack. I have never had anyone say....dinner time! mid-mission though, unless they were referring to the pizza guy arriving in which case it takes about the same time as a bathroom break. The problem is, in this game your damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

/rant on

The in game community, at least in the American Districts, is like some surrealistic nightmare of mental and social disorders, the majority of the population is so self absorbed that the only time a break is ok, is if that individual needs it him/her self. They are so disrespectful of anyone or anything they verbally abuse any and all that cross their path and due to the extreme intellect deficit present in these individuals they mistake such disrespect and abusive behavior for humor.

When I see the behavior of my fellow Americans especially in contrast to the behavior of those on the European servers, I am ashamed and embarrassed of the stains these individuals put on the integrity of our heritage. But then again why shouldn't they, the prima donna attitude of America now seems to infest all levels of our society. Since "In God we Trust" is so offensive to many Americans now maybe "To hell with you! It’s all about me" would be more appropriate, the truly sad thing is I think given a choice the second may actually win. Don't get me wrong I love my country, I'm just ashamed of how many of it's citizens represent not only themselves but their country.

/rant off

Make no mistake, this is a global game pitting country/region against country/region for "the favor of the gods" and as such each player is a representative and ambassador of not only their country but their culture and heritage. Leaving your group mid-mission for dinner isn't showing the other members of your team the respect you should be, and if your pvp'ing it not only shows a lack of respect for your team, but it displays your complete lack of integrity to your opponent.

Of course that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong!

Thanas · Jul 11, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Thanas, please read the last couple of posts in this thread. They make my point even better than I do. Thx!

Look I'm saying I don't get annoyed with people going AFK. However I do realise that sometimes real life takes more prescendence and that you really do take this game a little too seriously. And to whoever followed up my last post with comments about organisation, you misunderstood. Granted I was being a little finicky. However I was just trying to illustrate the fact that Discordia was being inconsistent, nothing more. The reason for this action being how can you begin agreeing with someone who contridicts themselves. Their aruments lose solidarity and substance.

Thanks.

Algren Cole · Jul 11, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by MuKen

This has nothing to do with video games, it's simply what is common courtesy when doing ANY activity with other people. If you're not going to be able to respect other people's time, then don't group with them. If you join a group for the purpose of playing GW, then you play GW, and if you can't do that consistently, then play a single player game.

How would you feel if you had 2 hours free to play GW after work, and you joined a group with 7 other people, each of which had to take 15 minutes off to do random things? Now 1:45 of your 2:00 has been spent NOT playing GW. Now if it's not right for everyone to go doing that, then why do you think YOU are special and should get make SEVEN other people wait for 15 minutes because you didn't have the common decency to eat BEFORE getting into a group?

if I didn't feel like waiting I'd just go complete the mission without him...OMG HE GOT A FREE 1000 XP!@#!@#seven!@#!!@ LET'S ALL CRY E-TEARS AND E-HATE HIM...

it's a game guys...if someone drops or someone goes afk...just keep playing....does it help any to get all butthurt and cry about it?? Chances are you can complete the mission without them anyway.

Sierra · Jul 11, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

take video games too seriously??

jesus...this is a video game. If someone needs to take a break for 15 minutes to eat(god forbid he/she get hungry)...there is a plethora of other things I could use that 15 minutes for while waiting for him to finish eating(how dare he get hungry during the course of the day...or god forbid have to take a leak)....

Do you not know what it means to be courteous and considerate? Yeah, it is just a game - so what I want to do is play - not wait around 15 minutes for someone who is so self-involved that they would inconvenience the rest of their team instead of eating before entering a mission. If it's something like FoW where you've already been there for an 1+ a 10-15 minute break is totally accceptable and understandable, but a 15 minute break during a mission that takes 30-40 minutes to complete? Uh, no.

EDIT: Chances are you could complete the mission without the person, but I'd rather they drop than just go afk and earn completion for the mission. It's called teamwork, eh? Contribute or leave. If not, don't get upset if your team ditches you after you've been afk a while.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

it's a game guys...if someone drops or someone goes afk...just keep playing....

no one has to play with the AFK people
- if the group doesnt want to, thats their choice

the OP was complaining about how his groups either kicked or disbanded over his AFKs

its their time too

if people dont want to play with your AFK, dont complain

Algren Cole · Jul 11, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Sierra

Do you not know what it means to be courteous and considerate? Yeah, it is just a game - so what I want to do is play - not wait around 15 minutes for someone who is so self-involved that they would inconvenience the rest of their team instead of eating before or after entering a mission. If it's something like FoW where you've already been there for an 1+ a 10-15 minute break is totally accceptable and understandable, but a 15 minute break during a mission that takes 30-40 minutes to complete? Uh, no.

I completely understand what it means to be courteous and considerate...I am also fully aware of the fact that in the grand scheme of all things associated with life...Guild Wars is on the bottom rung right below "making srue the dog shits in corner of the yard"...It's not important...and I'm not about to get upset about someone dropping or going AFK. There are a million better things I could waste my time getting upset over...and they'd be a million times more appropriate to get upset about. Guild Wars is a game...LIFE IS NOT A GAME...often times life happens...and trust me Life is far more important than some silly game and some silly mission....so the guy had to eat...is it really the end of the world that he had to go AFK in the middle of a mission...does the world cease to exist...have the gates of hell opened and lucifer himself uprisen in your living room demanding your presence before the dark army...all because this one guy left in the middle of a mission that you could complete with a party of 3 people anyway?

Ninna: the Original Post I read was more along the lines of pointing out the asinine things people do just to "get back" at the AFKer...not so much a complaint as it was pointing out how hideously spiteful people can be.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Thanas

However I was just trying to illustrate the fact that Discordia was being inconsistent, nothing more.

Maybe that's because you took my arguments out of context, so I guess I'll have to spell it out for you. When I said "I'm one of the most disorganised people you'll ever meet", I was implying that even though I'm one of the most disorganised people you'll ever meet, I can still organise my game-time so that things like meals and picking people up do not conflict with it.

That implication means that doing such things is not the slightest bit difficult and shouldn't be cried about. Hell, it should come naturally to people.