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Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by PieXags

But there is no way to tell just how long your party is going to take in a mission, it could be a breeze or you could find out that your party stinks and that you're widdling down a boss for 10 minutes or something.

This is when you need to realise that gaming is a pass-time activity and you do it in your spare time. I don't even open Guild Wars, or any other game, unless I'm sure I'm not doing anything for the next couple of hours.

I think that too many people either have their priorities out of whack or don't know some simple self control.

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Or say you're doing a quest with some people, you're doing fine, you don't need to use the bathroom again. Woops your warrior's a moron and got you all killed, guess you better take this oppurtunity to go relieve yourself. *go uses the bathroom*

Like I said, not an issue for me because I *gasp* go before a mission and don't drink silly amount during it.

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Patience is a virtue people, and to be honest if my ignore list was longer, I'd ignore every single person who wanted to kick me for taking a minute to get a drink.

To be honest, if my ignore list was longer, I'd ignore everyone who didn't think about having a drink/pee or even considering their free-time before committing to a mission.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by KaPe

Last time I checked you can eat before/after mission and most of them don't take more than an hour - that's hardly enough to die of starvation. And if *do* need to eat that much(that makes it 24 meals a day O.o ) - prepare some before. That goes double for monks

Say, for instance, that my wife is cooking the food? What am I going to do? "OMG SUZANNE! I AM PWNING SHADOWS IN TEH FISSURE NOW! DONT MAKE FOOD!"

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Quest answered by quoted text? o.x

So eat beforehand? Sounds to me like your priorities are just in the wrong places.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 10:58 AM // 10:58

ha - he has a good point

just realize group may break up over an afk longer than 5min

no one likes to wait

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Say, for instance, that my wife is cooking the food? What am I going to do? "OMG SUZANNE! I AM PWNING SHADOWS IN TEH FISSURE NOW! DONT MAKE FOOD!"

If you knew your wife was cooking, don't go into the FoW. Like I said, prioritise.

Silmor · Jul 11, 2005, 11:00 AM // 11:00

I think the issue is with bringing a single-player mentality to a multi-player game. In a single-player game, like making a puzzle or knitting a sweater, you can easily pause and do something else. In a multi-player game you have to take into consideration that others reserved time for their game, and you're wasting it by expecting them to sit on their hands and wait for you.

Even though some groups are willing to do that, it shouldn't be considered a 'right', and you can't fault others for wanting to spend their free time having fun instead of waiting for a stranger to do whatever. You're not playing alone, there's actual people on the other end of the line, with actual lives just as important as yours, and not being able to see them doesn't mean you are justified in putting yourself before all others.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

these same issues arise with online mmorpgs that raid

raids may be 1 to 8+ hours and have the same issues
- advance communication
- coordination of taking breaks

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

As I said, it's like a car trip. A car trip has a goal, and sometimes has a set time to do it in. If someone in the car is constantly saying "can we pull over?" I will say "why didn't you go before we set off?" And frankly, I shouldn't have to say that to anybody who isn't a small child.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

So eat beforehand? Sounds to me like your priorities are just in the wrong places.

You also overlook the fact that not everyone lives in a college dorm room where they can just walk five feet, slap some Ramen noodles into the microwave and get back in 1 minute.

As stated above, what if some's wife/husband makes the meal or some such, you don't know that they are fixing it/done yet, you're in the mission for 30 minutes, s/he calls and says the food's done.

What are you going to do? Let it get cold for another hour thirty minutes?

iganokage · Jul 11, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

simple solution: before entering a mission/zoning out of a town, the game asks everyone in the team:

Have you gone to the bathroom? We're not going to be stopping along the way. Go now. I don't care if u dont need to go, just go. And have a kit-kat too.

YES(mom) | NO/cancel

KaPe · Jul 11, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Say, for instance, that my wife is cooking the food? What am I going to do? "OMG SUZANNE! I AM PWNING SHADOWS IN TEH FISSURE NOW! DONT MAKE FOOD!"

"No, we must wait Who-Knows-How-Long because He went eating with Suzanne... No, I don't know why seven of us must waste time because of one person. No, I don't know why he didn't eat before mission. Ask him yourself."

Nasty? But true

Wings of Illusion · Jul 11, 2005, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by Ninna

ha - he has a good point

just realize group may break up over an afk longer than 5min

no one likes to wait

-Now thats not always true.. I dont mind to wait.

If they do take more than 5 minutes.. let em freeload.

Im a easy-going kind of guy

Watersong · Jul 11, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Again, discussion is very important.

You need to pick up your kids?
Tell your group. No, don't just tell them. Talk to them. Think they'll be okay? No? Help figure out a way to fix the problem of losing someone. This sort of thing really can't be helped but you're still going to be blamed. My guildmate and I do a lot of missions together and sometimes he has to go pick up his wife. The thing is, he tells me that he's probably going to need to beforehand.
And also, maybe this isn't the game you should be playing? In team-oriented games, one of the most important things in players is reliability. If you leave in the middle of a mission, a quest, etc., you're not being reliable and whether or not your unreliability is justified you're still going to be hated.

If you're getting interrupted often, as you would with family, then you shouldn't be playing such time intensive games.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Silmor · Jul 11, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Last time I checked, you could talk to wives. Ask them things about what they're doing and what they have planned.

Example: 'what time is dinner tonight honey?'

Works similarly for mothers.

Mumblyfish · Jul 11, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Say, for instance, that my wife is cooking the food? What am I going to do? "OMG SUZANNE! I AM PWNING SHADOWS IN TEH FISSURE NOW! DONT MAKE FOOD!"

Don't play games while she's cooking something for you, or rather, don't get into a party with other human players. That's not so hard, now, is it? And that's one of those things that you can plan for, even days in advance. Not an excuse to leave your party high and dry.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

You also overlook the fact that not everyone lives in a college dorm room where they can just walk five feet, slap some Ramen noodles into the microwave and get back in 1 minute.

Nice ad hominem, but that doesn't apply to me.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

As stated above, what if some's wife/husband makes the meal or some such, you don't know that they are fixing it/done yet, you're in the mission for 30 minutes, s/he calls and says the food's done.

Usually when someone is cooking for me they make a point of telling me in advance "dinner is at such and such a time". This is to make sure that person is not off doing something else at the time.

Like pee-break timings, I thought this was a common thing everyone knew in life?

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Last time I checked, you could talk to wives. Ask them things about what they're doing and what they have planned.

Example: 'what time is dinner tonight honey?'

Works similarly for mothers.

A frigging men. I think a few people in this thread have no concept of communication and planning. Period.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 11:07 AM // 11:07

I think the issue here is that some people get upset for not waiting 6 minutes to go and do things that they have to do and some people get upset over someone not being 100% fanaticaly playing their 100bit game to their satisfaction without wasting a single second.

Seriously, next time you complain about people wasting your precious 2 minutes, do /age and see how long you have been playing in the last week and a half.

By the way, Prinicipia, is it really necisarry to make 5 posts about how well you were potty trained? -.-

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

This is when you need to realise that gaming is a pass-time activity and you do it in your spare time. I don't even open Guild Wars, or any other game, unless I'm sure I'm not doing anything for the next couple of hours.

I think that too many people either have their priorities out of whack or don't know some simple self control.

Like I said, not an issue for me because I *gasp* go before a mission and don't drink silly amount during it.

To be honest, if my ignore list was longer, I'd ignore everyone who didn't think about having a drink/pee or even considering their free-time before committing to a mission.

I think you overlooked the point of my posts, I do use the restroom before a mission or quest run, and I do get a drink before hand. Sometimes though we take so long I run out of drink or need to use the restroom, now doesn't that suck. Was it my fault? Hell no, I did think ahead, I did get some food and drink before hand. I didn't know my party was going to suck ass and that we'd be out there forever.

(Now, note that I'm not trying to speak as if it's me who goes afk during missions. I've got this room loaded up with enough food that there's no need to move, the bathroom is about 10 ft to my left, and the fridge is right outside my door. If I somehow need to do something, I can go and get it before they notice I've been gone typically. This isn't an issue for me, but I'm speaking for those who may not be so fortunate.)

And also, I open up GuildWars when...I want to play guild wars. Does that mean I can't have a drink with me while I do so? Hell no.

And to say you open up guild wars when you know you won't be doing anything for a few hours...can you really sit for hours without having to use the bathroom, have the phone ring, or...anything? If so, you're lucky and one of the only people I know able to do such a thing.

I mean hell, every now and then someone will ring my doorbell. A couple days ago someone rang my doorbell while I was sitting here doing Thunderhead Keep 'cause I was bored. I didn't plan that, I had no idea who the hell the guy was (just wanted some opinion on a church group or something). If I need to get up for something like that, and my group doesn't want to wait. Fine, no problem.

For the things you can plan, of course you should plan ahead. But if something happens to screw up your plans, and you need to go afk for a sec, it's just stupid if they won't wait a minute for you. (If you're gone longer than the amount you say you're going to be, then by all means I'd say they should kick, but you know what I mean.)

Watersong · Jul 11, 2005, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Well, Sagius, some people don't like to waste time, waste being a subjective thing.

Some people have other things to do and have little free time to play. When they do play, they want to get the most out of it. What may be piddly amounts of time to you may be a large chunk of their free time.

As was already discussed, communication is very important. It won't get rid of the event but it will make everybody hate you less.