Curse

Xonic · Jul 21, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I would throw my hands up and say goodbye to the MMORPG industry.

Not only the high pressure on designing game features, or writing efficient bug free code the first time around (I am a programmer, no matter how hard I try, there are usually some bugs in my code. maybe I am just a bad programmer, I don't know), but no matter what I do, majority of the player community will call me an idiot/lazyass/stupid/too easy/too tough.

frequent updates: "omgz stop messing with the game and change the builds everyweek"

no updates: "omgz lazy programmers get back to work there has been no update for a whole week!"

increase drop rate: "omgz you are making my rare items I farmed become worthless"

decrease drop rate: "omgz you nerfed drop rates and now it takes me twice as long to farm rate drops"

give the game more PvE contents: "omgz this is a carebear/old/boring/static silly game"

give the game more PvP contents: "omgz we want more missions/quests/pve contetns"

make the level cap 200: "omgz yet another level grind game"

make the level cap 20: "omgz level 20 cap is so lame. when are you releasing new expension to raise the level cap?"

That's my honest feeling after years of playing online games, EverQeust (mostly), AC, AO, counter-strike, etc etc.

Makkert · Jul 21, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

/signed this post with all my heart.
devs are treated like dogs.

i am very pleased with all the work they do. they made a few slips (i.e.: taking xp out of pvp, later they returned it), but nobody is errorfree. i think they are doing an outstanding job.

grtz Makk.

Lasareth · Jul 21, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I bet they like the money though.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 21, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49

To the OP:

/clap

Someone finally states the truth.

Xeno Demachilo · Jul 21, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Counter-strike? ...Counterstrike is nothing like guildwars..They barely ever update it, and when they do its due to bugs and hacks..sigh..

Mumblyfish · Jul 21, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasareth

I bet they like the money though.

Because programmers are all billionaires; married to an exotic beauty called Fejovia, a condo in every resort, and pools shaped like keyboards.

Makkert · Jul 21, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

everybody likes money. there is nothing wrong with that 8)

Lasareth · Jul 21, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

Because programmers are all billionaires; married to an exotic beauty called Fejovia, a condo in every resort, and pools shaped like keyboards.

Because it's their job.

Xonic · Jul 21, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

Because programmers are all billionaires; married to an exotic beauty called Fejovia, a condo in every resort, and pools shaped like keyboards.

yeah, I am a programmer and I approve this message.

wait...

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 21, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I programmed a html script on a BBS message board and now I'm a millionare!

You can be one too if you buy my self-help video "Code Your Way to a Happy Life and Success" today! Only 19.95!

Lasareth · Jul 21, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

It's pretty ignorant to work as a programmer or developer and live in the la la land of "hey, you know what, everyone's going to like my game!" People work for the money and their OWN satisfaction of creating something good, not to be justified by others. Millions of subscribers help line the wallet, but honestly, you think they'd do this all for free?

Tutompop · Jul 21, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Sorry but I don't believe any serious programmer would take what forum monkeys complain about very seriously. No normal human being would. Sure they may consider a suggestion or constructive criticism and toss it around for improvements to their game but the "this suxors" lot are ignored by any and all except their own species.

Thats right you l33t dudes, nobody cares what you think no matter how loud you cry on a forum even if you are a good laugh every now and again. I'm sure the sales of the game and expansions are what tell the programmers just how well their game is received. Not to mention traffic on their servers.

Ok psychic l33t dudes, feel free to tell me that expansions won't sell because you won't buy it and thus represent the majority of people in the community so Anet will fail and you're avatar's ego will be satisfied. Meanwhile when the world starts moving again you can complain about another game that doesn't meet every one of your seemingly endless expectations while the rest of us somehow continue to play guildwars even though you told us the company would go bankrupt.

MSecorsky · Jul 21, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I know I'll be buying the bloody thing.

Drakron · Jul 21, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

I dont know, depends on a lot of factors ... if was released next month I would likely would but next year?

Too far for me to say.

WeiPing · Jul 21, 2005, 09:13 PM // 21:13

They don't have to shed tears over each post to see tons of negative responses every day and be hurt by it.

It's a huge investment in time. How long was this game under development for...4 years? Ultimately, in my mind, game design isn't something people generally get into for the money. It has the potential to be very good...but I don't think you'll find all that many game programmers making more than 50k per year. For every John Carmack there's a ton of Joe Schmoes.

GW is a great game. I hope the developers never lose sight of that by the constant complaining. If it wasn't such a great game, nobody would care enough to complain.

Aniewiel · Jul 21, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Being a programmer is like being a teacher: You don't do it for the money. You do it because you love what you do. Being paid for it is the bonus.

AceSnyp3r · Jul 21, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasareth

I bet they like the money though.

Heh, game development jobs really don't pay that well, and involve a lot of hard work. Money is probably one of the last reasons they're doing it.

Spike · Jul 21, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

You know if they removed pvp it would get rid of 99% of the complainers

Since thats all pvpers seem to do. complain that is.

Oh and for those people who don't understand sarcasm this was it

Reiden Argrock · Jul 21, 2005, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Quote:

I would throw my hands up and say goodbye to the MMORPG industry.

Not only the high pressure on designing game features, or writing efficient bug free code the first time around (I am a programmer, no matter how hard I try, there are usually some bugs in my code. maybe I am just a bad programmer, I don't know), but no matter what I do, majority of the player community will call me an idiot/lazyass/stupid/too easy/too tough.

frequent updates: "omgz stop messing with the game and change the builds everyweek"

no updates: "omgz lazy programmers get back to work there has been no update for a whole week!"

increase drop rate: "omgz you are making my rare items I farmed become worthless"

decrease drop rate: "omgz you nerfed drop rates and now it takes me twice as long to farm rate drops"

give the game more PvE contents: "omgz this is a carebear/old/boring/static silly game"

give the game more PvP contents: "omgz we want more missions/quests/pve contetns"

make the level cap 200: "omgz yet another level grind game"

make the level cap 20: "omgz level 20 cap is so lame. when are you releasing new expension to raise the level cap?"

That's my honest feeling after years of playing online games, EverQeust (mostly), AC, AO, counter-strike, etc etc.

This is exactly why I'm not going to go into the gaming industry

, after playing these games and having to deal with these kinds of people, I just wouldn't feel right releasing my hard work to a bunch of ungrateful fools, so i'm going behind the lines to work on hardware

Quote:

Being a programmer is like being a teacher: You don't do it for the money. You do it because you love what you do. Being paid for it is the bonus.

well, I don't think it's a bonus, cause unless you've got another job, you won't be eating, and I think if they stopped paying programmers, there would be no more games

but ya, making games has got to be one of the best jobs ever!

Lorelei · Jul 21, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceSnyp3r

Heh, game development jobs really don't pay that well, and involve a lot of hard work. Money is probably one of the last reasons they're doing it.

Right on. It is one of the hardest job in the industry. The corporation made the money. Unless you work for Google.

(BTW: noticed your guild's name, trueborn

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