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Orochim4ru · Jul 31, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

They're obviously botting if they aren't in any other district in the game, and just stay in that one end zone spamming for days. I don't see why you think this is a china vs. america issue. Its a botter vs. GW players issue.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 31, 2005, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Orochim4ru

They're obviously botting if they aren't in any other district in the game, and just stay in that one end zone spamming for days. I don't see why you think this is a china vs. america issue. Its a botter vs. GW players issue.

Int Dis 1. It's full of Chinese.

Nazutul · Jul 31, 2005, 03:42 AM // 03:42

The point of this thread has deterriorated into nothing.

Sagious, you needa chill.

InvaderGIR · Jul 31, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35

For argumentative sake, all we need to do to nullify your points is by saying you're a liar. But you see, we're actually trying to make you understand OUR points while trying to understand YOURS!

Now, a few things.

1. Whether or not China is influential has NOTHING to do with Guild Wars. As a matter of fact, it doesn't matter which country is influential at all. Being Chinese myself, I don't exactly pride myself that my homeland country makes TV remotes for the world (nor do I see how that's exactly influential either). Lose your ego and loosen up your nationalism.

2. I, for one, came across a lot of bots who won't respond. When they're on in the morning to the afternoon to midnight and still going, that says something and you cannot deny it. The "player" may have irregular sleep patterns for all I know, but I highly doubt that.

3. Also, bots that spam random jibberish in Chinese pinyin and run back out isn't the same as a constant "WTB MAX DMG FIERY DRAGON SWORD." For one, you can't bot with the current Guild Wars trading system, but you CAN bot by running back and forth between the camp and the flesh golems or whatever the hell they're farming.

4. We don't hate the Chinese. We hate bots. However, it's a coincidence that most of these bots are Chinese spouting bots. Think twice when you call us anti-Chinese. For all argumentative sake, I can say you're anti-American because you're not supporting us. But are we saying that? No. Don't rub people the wrong way just because you got rubbed the wrong way.

...and...

5. If the Chinese truly did want to sell their items, why the hell are they saying it in Chinese pinyin? They're only going to be able to sell to others that speak Chinese pinyin. The average English-speaking users are more abundant in the game and there would be a better chance selling to them had the Chinese person said something easy along the lines of "WTS blah blah blah." Not knowing how to speak English is a lie. They'd certainly have to understand it to get all the way to the Ember Camp considering how if you cannot read some of the missions, you cannot make it far. Plus, if they've played through the game and SAW how the communities work, the Chinese should be able to pick up "WTS" as they're not a stupid race.

Calm down and think of your response, PLEASE.

Off topic: Dialects in Chinese are so horrificly different. Look at Mandarin, Cantonese, Fukinese (it's a real dialect), etc. The grammar style's different, too. In fact, you might as well say they are different languages.

Miss Innocent · Jul 31, 2005, 05:49 AM // 05:49

I don't think that it's unreasonable to assume that the people in the American districts would speak English. I don't know if Latin Americans are on the same servers or not, or if they can get the game at all, but I'm not terribly surprised when I see Spanish or something else. But Chinese? As big and important as China is, most chinese speaking people are in China, and the Chinese that are in America can usually speak English pretty well (even grad students and professors -- at least well enough to say "sell 100k" or whatever).

If there's going to be alot of different servers all on "American", can they be split up by language too? I don't hate them for wanting to play, but it doesnt help either of us if we can't figure out which quest we're doing.

Arturo02 · Jul 31, 2005, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Yurn your keyboard upside down. What does it say on the bottom? Go and pick up a spoon in your silverwear draw. Go look at the back of your remote controll. Your Sony music and entertainment equipment.

WHat does it say? How many things did you find that actually said "Made in the United States"?

At first I wanted to say that China was a bigger trading partner, as far as the impact in the 1400's. But honestly, today, the amount of things China makes that is traded and moved around the globe is much larger then in that time.

But one thing to think about is the theory that the Chinese circumnavigated the globe. Very interesting, and if true, would impact the world like no one else. I honestly question this theory, but it's not far-fetched at the least to think people visited others around the world before we originally thought they did.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 31, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

The point in saying that China is an influential country was to suggest that maybe they think other people speak their language. I know if I go on a Korean/German/Chinese/Blahblah game I'll say things in Englsish hopinh someone undesrtands me. Perhaps the same is true with people from the second most powerful nation in the world.

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4. We don't hate the Chinese. We hate bots. However, it's a coincidence that most of these bots are Chinese spouting bots. Think twice when you call us anti-Chinese. For all argumentative sake, I can say you're anti-American because you're not supporting us. But are we saying that? No. Don't rub people the wrong way just because you got rubbed the wrong way.

Anti-American? For defending Chinese people? Well, all Black Civil rights activists are and were Anti-American, then. According to your terminology, Martin Luther King is a terrorist.

Perhaps we should get the opinion of someone who actually lives in China rather than one who appears to be disdainful of it. For arguement sake, we can just as easily say that you are a South Korean posing as a Chinese person.

How could you nulify my points by simply stating that I am lying? All that would is make you a slanderer without basis.

Arturo02 · Jul 31, 2005, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Frankly, I think the idea of a bunch of chinese companies running a bot business is more hype then reality. The concept of everything on sale in the game or on ebay by botting companies is far-fetched and perpetrated by people who don't understand how hard it is to sell things when everyone else is pushing the same items.

Selling GW items or gold on EBay is like opening a gas station. It's a nickle and dime operation, not a get rich quick plan. Not to mention the hard work you have to put in to show buying from you is more beneficial then someone else. Being a merchant in any MMO is a career.

A post on EBay selling 300k gold doesn't mean a sale. Not when 10 other people are advertising the same thing for the same price. That's the problem, people think just posting a for sale sign means you've sold the item. It takes effort.

InvaderGIR · Jul 31, 2005, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Drop the influence talk since that has nothing to do with Guild Wars nor the bots. If China has more influence in the world, good for them. Does that change how many bots there are in the game? No. You're arguing about something language issues and that has nothing to do with influence. France has a minor influence on the world and yet, there are lots of French speakers. And for your information, China is not the second most powerful nation in the world. Why? It's still a second world country. But leave that talk out.

I'm not denying I am a Korean posing a Chinese, but what's that got to do with any of this. But you have seriously placed yourself in a position where you exercise racism to a blind state of fury. You're defending what we've already proven in large numbers to be bots.

And for heaven's sake. Shut up and think before you write. We're not saying you're anti-American. YOU, however, are saying we're Anti-Chinese. (and according to some American texts of long past, Martin Luther King was indeed considered a terrorist, but I'm not one to believe he is) And not only that, what you're doing is still making assumptions on all of us and our beliefs.

EDIT: I'm leaving this argument as this guy is obviously bent on his own points. Proof? Look at what he quoted from my response. One out of five counterstatements and he "countered" it incorrectly. I'm off to bed.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 31, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Drop the influence talk since that has nothing to do with Guild Wars nor the bots. If China has more influence in the world, good for them. Does that change how many bots there are in the game? No. You're arguing about something language issues and that has nothing to do with influence. France has a minor influence on the world and yet, there are lots of French speakers. And for your information, China is not the second most powerful nation in the world. Why? It's still a second world country. But leave that talk out.

I'm not denying I am a Korean posing a Chinese, but what's that got to do with any of this. But you have seriously placed yourself in a position where you exercise racism to a blind state of fury. You're defending what we've already proven in large numbers to be bots.

And for heaven's sake. Shut up and think before you write. We're not saying you're anti-American. YOU, however, are saying we're Anti-Chinese. (and according to some American texts of long past, Martin Luther King was indeed considered a terrorist, but I'm not one to believe he is) And not only that, what you're doing is still making assumptions on all of us and our beliefs.

Am I using language that would motivate and drive people? Yes. Am I 'excersing racism to a blind state of fury'? Where is the racism? What or who am I racist against? Defending what is, in this game, a minority is racism? What "Blind Fury"?

Saying that you could be a Korean posing as a Chinese person was in an effort to point out that there is no way of knowing that I'm lying about talking to Chinese farmers while they farm - as there is no way of knowing what race you are or what nation you are from unless given evidence.

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We're not saying you're anti-American.

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For arguement's sake, I can say you're anti-American because you're not supporting us.

Ring a bell? You're not saying that it's a possibility that I'm anti-American here; you are stating that I am anti-American.

Did I state that ALL of you are anti-Chinese or that you are anti-Chinese? I stated that I "think most of you are just anti-communists" and that may be a liable fact. There are alot of anti-communist people. I'm certainly no communist supporter.

And, yes, I'm denying that I'm anti-American.

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This is about how you anit-Chinese, who, just becuase you can't speak their language think they are botting.

Here I am refering to those who think that the Chinese are botting just becuase they (Party A) can not speak the Chinese language.

Nazutul · Jul 31, 2005, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

I went to Ember Light Camp Int Dis 1. I stated in Chinese-trad where I was from and what my name was. One personm whispered me; we engaged in a long conversation in broken English WHILE THEY FARMED..

Do he was appearently a young man. What do you say to that? Slaves, huh?

From now on I'm going to Ember Light Camp Int Dis 1 when I shou gou jin wuqi!

Is this post relevant to a past post someone made? if so, please give us a link because I, for one, have no idea what you're talking about.

"Do he was appearently a young man".... What is that. Someone please tell me what that means.

Learn to spell. When you spell correctly, we can understand you alot better. If we understand you, then we can have an intelligent, calm conversation (well, as much of a conversation as one can on an internet forum, but work with me here).

So in summation, Sagious, you need to make the point of this entire thread clear. And please, do quit having a hissy-fit.

InvaderGIR · Jul 31, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

So I lied to post one more time.

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For all argumentative sake, I can say you're anti-American because you're not supporting us. But are we saying that? No. Don't rub people the wrong way just because you got rubbed the wrong way.

You purposely leave out the rest of my counterstatement to prove a point and now you're to look like an inept debater. I'm not going to bother with your posts for you've proven yourself unable to argue effectively.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 31, 2005, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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So I lied to post one more time.

You purposely leave out the rest of my counterstatement to prove a point and now you're to look like an inept debater. I'm not going to bother with your posts for you've proven yourself unable to argue effectively.

Saying not to rub people the wrong way is justifaction of saying that someone is "Anti-American"?

What you, to me, pretty much said in that statement was "We can call you anti-American, becuase you are. Did we? Nope." Look at the way it was written.

For topics about how Chinese people should be banned from the game, go to:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=38195
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=38922

And my initial statement at the begining of the topic was meant to be "He was appearently a young man".

InvaderGIR · Jul 31, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Wow. Am I reading this correctly or is it because it's 3:46 AM that I think this guy completely misunderstood what I said?

You said I called you anti-American, in which I responded with "But are we saying that? No" in the quote. You completely ignored that. Why? Is it to prove a point? Because what's there to prove? Nothing. What's the reason to prove this? There is none. And why do you think that is more important than the botters in Guild Wars? I seriously don't understand your train of thought (or lack of).

Reading those topics means nothing to me because that doesn't change the fact whether or not there are bots. In fact, arguing about this won't change the fact there are bots. The whole reason we're saying all the things we're saying is because we're trying to get you to realize that there are indeed bots.

Ming bu ming ma?

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 31, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Wow. Am I reading this correctly or is it because it's 3:46 AM that I think this guy completely misunderstood what I said?

You said I called you anti-American, in which I responded with "But are we saying that? No" in the quote. You completely ignored that. Why? Is it to prove a point? Because what's there to prove? Nothing. What's the reason to prove this? There is none. And why do you think that is more important than the botters in Guild Wars? I seriously don't understand your train of thought (or lack of).

Reading those topics means nothing to me because that doesn't change the fact whether or not there are bots. In fact, arguing about this won't change the fact there are bots. The whole reason we're saying all the things we're saying is because we're trying to get you to realize that there are indeed bots.

Ming bu ming ma?

If you noticed, above I said something like "You said here ,to me, what seemed to mean 'We can call you anti-American becuase you are. But did we say that? Nope.'"

The links to those topics were for Natuluz who I failed to quote, some 4 posts up.

InvaderGIR · Jul 31, 2005, 08:00 AM // 08:00

When you edit posts, it's hard to make an argument AFTER the edit, huh? Seriously, drop the goddamned issue. You're taking a dead horse and beating it.

So will you admit to believing there are Chinese bots or not? That's what I've been trying to get at the whole time, seeing that this is the topic that you started talking about.

coleslawdressin · Jul 31, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

My guess is anywhere from 50-90% of the chinese speaking players are botting. They can talk to you while they farm because they are running several bots at once..probably have to put more effort into responding to messages than their "farming". The workers at the botting farms are payed low wages to monitor the bots and pool the money into their master to fuel the ebay economy. All you are doing by talking to them is making their crappy job more of a hassle.. their job is to make their bots not seem AFK. Yes they are trying to buy gold items.."godly" ones... to sell on ebay...

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 31, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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When you edit posts, it's hard to make an argument AFTER the edit, huh? Seriously, drop the goddamned issue. You're taking a dead horse and beating it.

So will you admit to believing there are Chinese bots or not? That's what I've been trying to get at the whole time, seeing that this is the topic that you started talking about.

Yah, there are Chinese bots most likely. I never said there weren't. In several topics and several people ingame have stated that "All of them are bots". No, alot of them don't appear to be bots in that you can carry on conversations with them and they seem to be unique people trying to play the game instead of some gas-station-esc attendent.

Some of them have even told me their farming builds. Why would a hired employee care enough or know enough to state their build?

Are there American bots? Yes. Are there French bots? Yeah. Are there German bots? Yah. Are there English bots? Yep. Are there Spanish bots? Ci. (There are three major dialects of Spanish, thanks.)

But who gets singled out as being a group of ALL botters? The Chinese. And that's what I'm defending.

sino-soviet · Jul 31, 2005, 08:07 AM // 08:07

What does it matter the allegiance to what country you are in defense of? Sagius said there were a lot of Chinese farmers and ebay sellers and botters. As for botters, I have no idea, but look on ebay. You'll see that most gold is Chinese-farmed. It is not anti anything to mention that Chinese-farmed gold is Chinese.

InvaderGIR · Jul 31, 2005, 08:16 AM // 08:16

What good do you thinking defending the bots would do even if they weren't Chinese? And so what if the Chinese are to be blamed? Anet won't go as far as banning all Chinese people from Guild Wars so what do you have to worry about?

(Spanish "yes" is "si" with an accent on the "i", don't try to play smart when there are smarter).