Curse

Granamyr · Aug 05, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker

...it's called a job.

Really, you'd accept a pay cut for no reason? Your boss comes in and says "you're fired", you say "ok, I assume you have a log file. I'll pack up my things."

I don't know FX8 but anything that has been asked of him, he has given. That is infinitely more cooperative than ANet is being. So what you have is one side punished without justification, is giving all the information asked of him and trying to make the case known. On the other side you have a group hiding their "evidence" and being as vague as possible. Why again do you automatically assume FX8 is guilty again? Oh yeah, the phantom log file.....I forgot.

I wish I could say "log file" to justify everything I did too. Maybe that should be your defense FX8, tell them you have a log file of you acting ethically but that you won't let them see it for "security reasons". I mean, how can you argue against that. It's air-tight!!

SOT · Aug 05, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

While we beat the dead horses....

Kakumei · Aug 05, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Xellos

Fact is, I don't give a damn which side is right, this is a golden chance for gamers to take power, gamers have always been scrapping at the barrel as game companies abused tactic after tactic (FF series turning to SUCK, MMORPGS, Halo 2? GTA:I STOLEZ YOUR BATTLECRUZAR?) and they can get away with it because gamers don't show enough will power to band together. Whenever you get a chance to show that your opinion makes a difference and that you'd walk out, game companies will listen. Now guys like GHM might be taking this a bit ramboish, but the idea is about right ( though since it's PANK, I can't say his demands won't be met...)

fight the power

rage against the machine

you go ahead and lead the revolution champ

Granamyr · Aug 05, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by hydrak

Check this thread carefully before you post, only the OP said the opposite. All other posters in this thread had no problem when logging in/outs many times. Because of this, I did a test and further confirmed what other posters said.

Hydrak, that is more an argument for FX8 than ANet. Tell me where I'm wrong:

You said that logging in/out 300+ times will not get you banned.

All that FX8 said he did was to log in/out x times and be afk in Lion's Arch for an extended amount of time.

ANet's only justification for banning was "more than dozens" of attempts to login.

FX8 has been banned for a week.

You tell me, why was he banned based on these facts? Don't bring in any extra assumptions like "FX8 must have been doing something else". Based on the facts you know right now, what justifies a week long banning? Wouldn't you err on the side of innocence instead of guilt?

Xonic · Aug 05, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Xellos

Your joking right? This is a bad idea because ANet sucks too much to fix their exploits? This isn't Diablo 2, I expect shit to be done. They made a god damn streaming technology, and can't even utilize 1/10th it's power. Just like how most people who play this game can't utilize 1/10th their brain.

Well whoopdy do, because the other guy just told me the exact opposite. What in blue hell do you think makes you more credible? I offered a fair trial, no matter what status you are, it can't hurt you if you aren't guilty.

It's called LawSuit. They can't get you if your not stupid.

I can see this as a legitimate concern, but I can also say that most people in here like the iQ guys or PANK/TE would not use their "uber guild status" to gain leverage. So why not give him benefit of the doubt?

Fact is, I don't give a damn which side is right, this is a golden chance for gamers to take power, gamers have always been scrapping at the barrel as game companies abused tactic after tactic (FF series turning to SUCK, MMORPGS, Halo 2? GTA:I STOLEZ YOUR BATTLECRUZAR?) and they can get away with it because gamers don't show enough will power to band together. Whenever you get a chance to show that your opinion makes a difference and that you'd walk out, game companies will listen. Now guys like GHM might be taking this a bit ramboish, but the idea is about right ( though since it's PANK, I can't say his demands won't be met...)

so, to summerize, every single game on the market sucks. The only way to win against those stupid *** game companies is to quit playing games for good.

SOT · Aug 05, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Xonic

so, to summerize, every single game on the market sucks. The only way to win against those stupid *** game companies is to quit playing games for good.

Sage advice for some people with high blood pressure and the tendency to not eat/bathe/procreate

Kakumei · Aug 05, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Xonic

so, to summerize, every single game on the market sucks. The only way to win against those stupid *** game companies is to quit playing games for good.

hey let's summerize

throw a beach party and everything

i'll bring the tunes

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Granamyr

Hydrak, that is more an argument for FX8 than ANet. Tell me where I'm wrong:

You said that logging in/out 300+ times will not get you banned.

All that FX8 said he did was to log in/out x times and be afk in Lion's Arch for an extended amount of time.

ANet's only justification for banning was "more than dozens" of attempts to login.

FX8 has been banned for a week.

You tell me, why was he banned based on these facts? Don't bring in any extra assumptions like "FX8 must have been doing something else". Based on the facts you know right now, what justifies a week long banning? Wouldn't you err on the side of innocence instead of guilt?

Problem is, we don't have any facts to go by, just assertions that we cannot verify.

aeroclown · Aug 05, 2005, 07:14 PM // 19:14

*shrugs*

You do realize that most Trojans and worms as well as key loggers and the like are often very difficult to detect and are NOT detected by conventional residential shields or virus scanners.

Maybe you should revise your trading methods, I don’t know, I have a feeling deep down that we don't have the full story or that something is a foot that we are not up wind of.

I have had over 360 hours of game play time, deleted and created pvp characters hourly sometimes, and even logged in and out of my account more often then I would have thought I ever would and have not been banned, warned, or kicked.

You may still have something or someone watching. Terminals are not only susceptible to attack through conventional means, such as virus, Trojans, backdoors, or worms. If your terminal is in a multi user environment, i.e. the "family computer" anyone who has or has had access to that terminal could be a cause for concern. In even broader concerns if you are on a network any terminal on that network could be a cause for concern. All it takes is for one to be compromised.

Win32 enviroment security is inheritently flawed. Making all users administrators. The ways of hiding and piggy backing programs are to many to count. It is often quite difficult for IT professionals and system Administrators let alone end user to maintain a clean and secure enviroment. Virtually ayone who has had access to your terminal can install hidden programs and services without you even knowing they are running just by looking in the normal places.

I can not see fault in Area nets actions as a system adminitrator I often base bans and temporary bans based on logs, bandwidth usage, packet numbers,types, and sequences. If you have done nothing wrong in your eyes well so be it, wait a week, the hold will be lifted and if you really have done nothing wrong, there is a high likely hood that you will not be blocked, banned or put on hold again. Just because you have been banned once does not mean you have done something wrong. It means something your terminal was doing looked suspicious enough that an administrator decided to take action to protect the network, maybe even you.

Keep a record of all your transactions with Area net, Date and times, monitor your connection activity inbound and out bound and note things that look odd, and if it ever happens again you might have more insight on the cause and be a cause for investigation of your situation.

Kakumei · Aug 05, 2005, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by aeroclown

*shrugs*

You do realize that most Trojans and worms as well as key loggers and the like are often very difficult to detect and are NOT detected by conventional residential shields or virus scanners.

Maybe you should revise your trading methods, I don’t know, I have a feeling deep down that we don't have the full story or that something is a foot that we are not up wind of.

I have had over 360 hours of game play time, deleted and created pvp characters hourly sometimes, and even logged in and out of my account more often then I would have thought I ever would and have not been banned, warned, or kicked.

You may still have something or someone watching. Terminals are not only susceptible to attack through conventional means, such as virus, Trojans, backdoors, or worms. If your terminal is in a multi user environment, i.e. the "family computer" anyone who has or has had access to that terminal could be a cause for concern. In even broader concerns if you are on a network any terminal on that network could be a cause for concern. All it takes is for one to be compromised.

I can not see fault in Area nets actions as a system adminitrator I often base bans abd temporary bans based on logs, bandwidth usage, packet numbers,types, and sequences. If you have done nothing wrong in your eyes well so be it, wait a week, the hold will be lifted and if you really have done nothing wrong, there is a high likely hood that you will not be blocked, banned or put on hold again.

Keep a record of all your transactions with Area net, Date and times, monitor your connection activity inbound and out bound and note things that look odd, and if it ever happens again you might have more insight on the cause and be a cause for investigation of your situation.

whoa whoa whoa

stop right there

you are too intelligent for this forum

your ideas make too much sense

Aria · Aug 05, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

This thread has not only gotten off topic, but is becoming a war that neither side can win. It'll never be certain whether or not we, as the audience, get the entire story of each side, and this forum was never a place to make judgments based on insubstantial facts.

This thread is becoming rather ugly, I'm going to cut off its head right now by...

Closing it!