Curse

TopGun · Aug 07, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I agree, Obsidian. The loot nerfs have definately made a massive impact on the population of casual gamers that are playing. While some people combat with the rebuttal, "Casual gamers can play WoW," well, that really isn't true- a real casual gamer isn't going to pay per month to play a game, because we spend most of our time doing things *other* than gaming. Thus, it becomes very difficult to make progress in a game. Running an /age command, I can see that I play around an hour or less per day, this probably due to the fact that I don't play *every* single day. Chances I do get to play are purely in my spare time, which I'd really prefer to spend with friends. (and ladies!) So GW is probably going to have a very difficult time trying to keep hardcore gamers happy and keeping us casual gamers happy at the same time... I think making mosters drop more loot is a step in the right direction, though.

Sagius Truthbarron · Aug 07, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by id0l

I laughed when I read this. You can't even buy it (via dye trader) at the moment. The economy is going nuts (my opinion). I'm no economist so I'm not going to point fingers and put blame here and there (but I do think Mo/W tank builds should be nerfed, sorry...I didn't spend so many freakin' hours on my warrior to be outdone by a healer).

But yeah, last time I saw it (a few days ago, before I did a 2 hour FoW crafter run) it was about 18K. Then I went to Ascalon to sell some crap to the merch, and noticed there was no black dye left. I heard it went as low as 1K...but just going from 18K to *possibly 1K* to none (which would make sense if it dropped to 1K) available in about 2 hours...is crazy...

So the question is, as far as black dye...how the hell (if it's true) did it go from 18K to 1K? So quickly I might add.

Ah. So only the W/mo should be allowed to solo. Ok?

A healer? Have you even any idea how the UW solo build or monks in general work?

Mavrik · Aug 07, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

last night in droknar there was no black dye available at the dye trader... I didn't take a screen shot but they were all sold completely out. Silver was selling for about 1k and being bought for about 500g. Wish I had seen the black dye when it was for less then 1k. I would have bought a lot of them and then sold them back when the price went back up lol.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 07, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

yeah the prices are up and down. I wanted to sell a black dye for 10k and when i checked the black was going for 11k, then it went down to 9k then up to 16k then back down to 9k and I sold it for 7k. at the time the merchant was buying it from people for 5k+ and selling it for 9k+

VxWolfxV · Aug 07, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

I noticed that Silver Dye was selling for over 2k at the trader so i took one of my silvers to see what the trader would give me for it and all he offered was 1g...

id0l · Aug 07, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

Haha!
My main character is a monk - and your statement was the compliment!

The monk vs. warrior feud continues.

Yes, yes... ;P

But in all honesty, do you really think a healer should be able to out-tank a Warrior? It's ridiculous. I think Conan could beat down a priest.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Ah. So only the W/mo should be allowed to solo. Ok?

A healer? Have you even any idea how the UW solo build or monks in general work?

1) Did I say anything about a W/MO at all? I was being general, not specific.
2) Did I say anything about them solo'ing? No.
3) A healer - yes that is what a Monk is SUPPOSED to do. Primarily. Well okay, maybe smiting as well. But please, we all know what monks are really in the game for.
4) I know exactly how it works. We have one of the magical Solo-King Mo/W's in my guild. Believe it or not I choose to use my Mo/W as a pure healer, instead of a "100% farming-UW-god". I have guild members to help, and healing monks aren't very easy to get in a pickup group alot of the times. What you (maybe not you yourself Sagius, I don't know) are doing is taking advantage of an exploit. And it will probably be nerfed, at least I and tons of other players hope it does...so go farm all the ecto you can right now. And sell it to me for 1K each plz, since it's soooooo easy for you to get, and I'm sure you are rich already.

(Note a little bit of sarcasm there)

;P

ducktape · Aug 07, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28

There was no black dye when I went to the trader either, so I wondered how much he would buy one for. He offered 1200 gold. I doubt anyone will sell to the trader any time soon...

I also saw silver dye selling for 4k around lunchtime, which was insane since last weekend it was 1k, and by 11pm it was 10k. Ouch.

id0l · Aug 07, 2005, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Black dye back in stock today @ 8K when I check @ 6pm.

Prince_Ayreon · Aug 08, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I saw it at the trader going for the low-low price of 22k

I spilt my coke laughing when I saw that!

Weezer_Blue · Aug 08, 2005, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by BrotherReins

when i logged on in wpe, it was one of the first things i bought.

see picture:

it makes me sad that i can't even customize my characters in my favorite color. it makes no sense that an item dye would be worth more than the item itself due to a flawed game mechanic. i hope they will fix this in the future.

Ah, the 'bibs'. I remember ye well. And the whole "bibs vs caps vs flags" debate.

Sho Kasaki · Aug 08, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Yep. Long story short, the dye-traders are completely out of Black Dye and Silver Dye is completely booming. It's the priciest of all the dyes now, but it sells for absolute crap.

2.9k for purchase, only 300 gold to sell? I find something wrong in this, but whatever the case may be, I don't personally care. I haven't gotten a Silver Dye, and I don't really like that particular color, but the fact of the matter is that the prices are outrageously retarded.

I hope an update puts Black Dyes back into the Trader's pouch, and the "Supply and Demand" system has its kinks worked out, because this is utterly rediculous.

Puddin Tame · Aug 08, 2005, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by iczer

Kill mobs, I had 3 black dye drops lastnight in 6 hours of hacking and slashing.

- Iczer

!!! HAXZ0RZ!!!! BAN H1M!!!11!21!21#1!

Rayea · Aug 08, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

when you say the dye is gone, can you still sell that shade to the dye merchant?

i had some silver the other day, and she had none (had no idea till i came back here to look if it was a bug that it means she was out of stock lol) but when i tried to sell silver to her, she wouldnt give me a quote o.o

is it like that with any dye she is out of stock with?

4thVariety · Aug 08, 2005, 09:49 AM // 09:49

atm Black Dye is out of stock in Europe
8.August Noon.

Lost · Aug 08, 2005, 09:50 AM // 09:50

The price of Red Dye actually passed Silver and is now up to 4k. Even crummy yellow is a platinum. If I didn't already have a stockpile, I might kind of care a little bit! Good thing dyes (except black) are easy to find. I'd rather kill a ton of mobs than pay that nonsense.

DrSLUGFly · Aug 08, 2005, 10:21 AM // 10:21

holy moley!!!!! 1k for yellow and 4 for red? Red and silver are the most common drops! That puts me at 50 plat in red alone, 14 plat in yellow!!! wow

lol, I started dye collecting cuz it was fun, now I'm happy I did, I know I have to have at least 300 plat in dyes if these prices are accurate

Ol Dirty Scott · Aug 08, 2005, 10:23 AM // 10:23

as of 6:25 AM EST:

even the material trader is buggin!

id0l · Aug 08, 2005, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Just do what I was doing. Go to Ascalon d1/d2 and LA d1/d2 and start spamming that the dye traders are bugged and that they will give you a whole hell of a lot more than they really offer...

Got alot of pissed of people; I responded with "Thanks for contributing to the good of the economy"...one person actually said thanks!

Eh, maybe it will help a little.

Ashley Twig · Aug 08, 2005, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

atm Black Dye is out of stock in Europe
8.August Noon.

My guess is, that the human dye trader did it to themselves this time .
NPCs are out of stock.
A lot of other human players keep that little black dye that they have to themselves.
And those who want to buy just lost interest because the price is way to high. Even if you half the price the NPC trader demands.
Circulation of black dye got almost to a full stop.
Why?
Greed!

Silmor · Aug 08, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Greed? Getting less than 1 platinum for a vial of black dye while it is sold back to players for over ten times that is enough of a discrepancy to turn even the most communist players to hoarding. I wouldn't call that greed anymore, it's simple sensibility at this point.

If you absolutely must sell it, bypassing the trader by selling directly to other players makes so much more sense than settling for pocket change from the trader, so it still wouldn't end up in the 'supply' part of the supply and demand equation, for as far as it applies - if demand is so high, the trader should be much more eager to restock his supply, hence should offer competitive values for a hot commodity like black dye.

I'm concerned these high prices will drive people to alternate means of income (think buying gold from eBay-bots) because the only thing they care about is the looks of their character, and have no chance to afford it by regular means. Even though nobody is selling their dye to the merchant anymore, somebody must still be buying, because the price has been rising long after it reached a ridiculous point.