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Shadow_Avenger · Aug 11, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, you guys! We can't win for losing!

Somebody says, "Is there anything new coming up in the future?"

We say, "Well, yes, we're going to release Chapter 2 in the first half of 2006."

"Well," they ask, "what about something before that. Have you any such plans?"

"Sure, we have some cool stuff coming up this summer, as a matter of fact. Two new explorable areas with new quests, new monsters, and we think it'll be very fun!"

And from that, now, it's "You shouldn't have told us it was coming until the day before you released it?" Aw, now, that's just not fair!

This isn't a patch. This isn't an effort to balance things, or fix bugs, or close exploits, or repair errors in code, art, or storyline. This is brand new and spiffy content -- something fun you haven't done before, something we think you'll enjoy. So yeah, we wanted to share that it was coming, in part to give you something to look forward to, and in part because it's nice to share good news with friends. If when we mentioned it we were being meanies for letting the word out, well, hey, guess you'll have to deal with the anticipation!

Summer Update -- Coming this summer.

Well it better be quick, lets see first half , 12 monoths / 2 = 6 months hence DUE date was June, It is now August, hmm Autum starts in september.
So in effect we are in the Q3 and no release info in sight.
In less than 3 weeks it will be autum, then it will nolonger be a summer update.
The point is If you would have stated Q3 or Autum update due to final tweaking to ensure it is right for release, then fine. But you state:

We say, "Well, yes, we're going to release Chapter 2 in the first half of 2006."

Talk about standing in the line of sight on a firing range.
The public are a demending bunch. If A.net would have stated Q3 of Autum release, it would have been end of story, maybe a few moaning that the can't wait till Autum for the Autum expansion. Then if it was actually released dueing the summer, everyone would have been singing their praises.

BellyFlop · Aug 11, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

i may be wrong but i got a felling that the called "Summer Update" is going to be out next week's 19 or even 26, and the felling is because Dungeon Siege II as been delay and it not comming out this week...

but again it may have nothing to do with it...

Alex Weekes · Aug 11, 2005, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger

Well it better be quick, lets see first half , 12 monoths / 2 = 6 months hence DUE date was June, It is now August, hmm Autum starts in september.
So in effect we are in the Q3 and no release info in sight.
In less than 3 weeks it will be autum, then it will nolonger be a summer update.
The point is If you would have stated Q3 or Autum update due to final tweaking to ensure it is right for release, then fine. But you state:

We say, "Well, yes, we're going to release Chapter 2 in the first half of 2006."

Talk about standing in the line of sight on a firing range.
The public are a demending bunch. If A.net would have stated Q3 of Autum release, it would have been end of story, maybe a few moaning that the can't wait till Autum for the Autum expansion. Then if it was actually released dueing the summer, everyone would have been singing their praises.

*ahem* Chapter 2 in first half 2006. Since we're still in 2005, it's not late.

Summer Update will be released this summer. It's not far away, our alpha testers are having a lot of fun testing and experiencing the new material and giving us a lot of feedback.

Neither are late

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Tactical-Dillusions · Aug 11, 2005, 11:12 AM // 11:12

I don't mind waiting until it's ready. Bugs are nasty indeed.
My girlfriend is in town this very moment to purchase another copy of the game so i can have more slots.
Then i am going to collect tonnes of materials as a wacky project and sell it all off again when i run out of room.

Request quote, sell, request quote, sell, apply thimble on sore finger, request quote, sell....

Ashley Twig · Aug 11, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Summer Update will be released this summer. It's not far away, our alpha testers are having a lot of fun testing and experiencing the new material and giving us a lot of feedback.
Neither are late

.

Hm, "summer update".

I think most people here defined "summer update" as something they can enjoy over the summer. So they expected it quite early.

Your definition of "summer update" is a bit different. That's probably, where the confusion is coming from.

A "summer hit" e.g. is a hit released "pre-summer"/"early summer" and enjoyed during summer.

burai · Aug 11, 2005, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Excitable bunch aren't we!

You should use the UK as your summer-time model. We completely bypassed summer this year and are going straight from spring to autumn instead (much like last year). So now you can expect the summer update much earlier than you thought. If we miss out summer next year too, then it will be released even earlier

I must admit I'm getting quite excited too!

funbun · Aug 11, 2005, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

Please, dont say the words 'raise the level cap' anymore. This is not Grind Wars. If they raised it to 30, then when you get there, will you yell about not having 40 levels? Sorry, but I have a ranger that ascended in week 2 after release. I'm still finding new builds for him.

Guild Wars does have grind. It's called PvP. Also, how is my monk supposed to buy 75k sup runes? 4 runes @ 75k = 300k. There is no grind? Think again.

But you are right about the builds. These characters are very customizable.

Mr. Matt · Aug 11, 2005, 12:41 PM // 12:41

ANet is under no obligation to release any details to you. They didn't even have to tell you that there was a summer update in progress in the first place. If nothing else, it's not in their best interests to tell you the specifics.

Setting a date weeks in advance, for example, would have been foolhardy. Firstly, if any problems had arisen with the update before release, it could either have pushed them back, thus causing even more people to call them 'liars', or forced them to release a sub-standard update full of bugs just to meet the deadline they had lead everyone to expect. Neither is good for the community or the company, so they don't give an exact date.

Telling everybody the exact specifics about any updates won't help them any more than giving dates either. People start expecting things that they might not get with things like this. Imagine what they'd be saying if ANet had specifically told everybody every intricate detail of their patch, and THEN people didn't get what they expected? If nothing else, giving it a sense of mystery gets more people to follow its progress and stick with the game to find out what's in it.

As for your level 20 comment, ANet has repeatedly stated that they won't be increasing the level cap. So going on about that serves no purpose.

burai · Aug 11, 2005, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

As for your level 20 comment, ANet has repeatedly stated that they won't be increasing the level cap. So going on about that serves no purpose.

Other than to voice an opinon of course. But then they should be using some kind of forum for that ...

Ashley Twig · Aug 11, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

...thus causing even more people to call them 'liars', ...

I think that refers to something I wrote on this thread, so I might do some explaining, why I wrote it.

I just wanted to point out that loving the game, and loving the company, responsible for it, can be two completely different things.

And my reference about aNet lying about something was not linked to the summer-update, but to a public statement on yet another thread by a single aNet-member.

As I posted on this or some other thread: I keep my expectations for the summer-update rather low. That gives me a better chance to be blown away by the update, as soon as it arrives.
Expecting too much from the update will only increase the chances of being disappointed.

Old Dood · Aug 11, 2005, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Once again the Arena-Net people are Damned if they Do and Damned if the Don't!

If I had the customer service that Arena-Net has given us with my Cable,Cell Phone, Land Line Phone companies just think how great that would be.

They are doing their level best. What more can you ask of them? Sure they are not going to give us every stinkin' detail of these updates. Maybe they have changed. Maybe something else pops up and takes priority. Maybe people their are on vacation,sick,matunity leave,funeral leave,quit,fired, etc.

My Gawd we have real humans actually talking to us here. I do not get that from my Cable company. They NEVER tell me when I am getting this and that. I spend allot more money with them...that is for sure.

Anyways...I will wait. I rather they take their time and not rush into it. We do not need any "Leeeroys" developing this game.

And Gail said: "Spiffy" Can't fault a person that uses a great term like that.

Algren Cole · Aug 11, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by funbun

Guild Wars does have grind. It's called PvP. Also, how is my monk supposed to buy 75k sup runes? 4 runes @ 75k = 300k. There is no grind? Think again.

But you are right about the builds. These characters are very customizable.

My Monk bought 5 superior runes in under 5 hours.....if it's taking you longer you may want to evaluate the way you play the game, because you're doing something wrong. There is very little grind in this game. Sure I've portalled into areas and killed the same 15-20 monsters over and over for an hour every once in a while.....but I hardly call that grind at all.

as far as I'm concerned it's still summber until September 22nd (the rest of the world agrees...I checked) so start bitching September 23rd

Epinephrine · Aug 11, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

Keep you hopes low.

Wow, what a great motto. Must be fun when everything is exciting; look, the sun rose again this morning! I hoped it would, but I didn't want to hope too much. Makes it easier at a restaurant - you order something and if it is remotely edible it's a good day - you wouldn't want to aim for something tasty or nutritious, that might get you disappointed.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but really the idea of not expecting anything in order to be pleasantly surprised is a bit absurd. It may be a bit of reductio ad absurdum to make it sound like you should be pleased if you get anything to eat at a restaurant, but the point is there - frankly, a little disappointment in life won't kill you, and I'd rather have realistic expectations than try to fool myself into being giddy with crap.

sidepocket13 · Aug 11, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

first day of autumn, September 22nd 2005. therefore if the update streams through at 11:58pm on September 21st, this will still be a summer update. I dont understand how people get ticked because they assumed it would be earlier. yeah i want it now, but i dont think a.net has lied about it. not until 12:00am 9/22 anyway!

Aniewiel · Aug 11, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by sidepocket13

first day of autumn, September 22nd 2005. therefore if the update streams through at 11:58pm on September 21st, this will still be a summer update. I dont understand how people get ticked because they assumed it would be earlier. yeah i want it now, but i dont think a.net has lied about it. not until 12:00am 9/22 anyway!

*waves a smoking incense censor over sidepocket's head* Bless you, my child! I wondered when someone would say that!

As Old Warrior Dude said: Remember that these are living, breathing humans on the other end. They have joy, grief, happiness, sadness, frustration, elation, sickness, health, pain, sorrow....*gasps*....just like most of us! I know that I miss anticipated deadlines due to RL issues. Give them a little bit of slack.

Makkert · Aug 11, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

BTW:
the name 'summer update' did confuse some aussie players I talked to, since well. it is now winter with them ^^.

ManadartheHealer · Aug 11, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

...Remember that these are living, breathing humans on the other end. They have joy, grief, happiness, sadness, frustration, elation, sickness, health, pain, sorrow....

And, who knows, maybe they want to have a life outside of work as well. But, really, who would want something like that

I'm sure they are developing it at a good pace, and personally I think the update will come before the end of august

Loviatar · Aug 11, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

from anet on the level cap

note the no separate levels of content and for future chapters as well

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Guild Wars, in contrast, is based around your skill as a player. Our maximum level is twenty and you hit that very quickly, after about 20-30 hours of play. ,We call that 'The Point of Ascension'. Almost all of the content in the game and in the future Chapters is only available to Ascended characters, which means we don't have to worry about providing different levels of content. All the good stuff will be available to everyone. It's not our intent to force people onto the levelling up treadmill, so the level cap in Guild Wars is almost meaningless.

raven214 · Aug 11, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

For some reason I got it in my head that mid/late July would be a good time for the "summer" update. That being said, we still have more than a month left to summer, and I'd rather see it released late but good rather than on-time & buggy. I'm not hoping for too much - I'm sure it will be fun - I just hope they make some sort of change/fix to the economy.

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

My Monk bought 5 superior runes in under 5 hours.....if it's taking you longer you may want to evaluate the way you play the game, because you're doing something wrong. There is very little grind in this game. Sure I've portalled into areas and killed the same 15-20 monsters over and over for an hour every once in a while.....but I hardly call that grind at all.

Hope I'm not getting too off-topic, but what was the cost of those runes? Last time I checked, the most I can (dependably) make in an hour is around 4k.... I've seen some runes around 30k and above. So if I played the game straight for 7-8 hours, I could afford one. And that's assuming I'm playing with one of my ascended characters (I'm currently working on a mid level monk). And that's assuming I have no life (which I do, so 7-8 hours straight isn't really an option.. and is probably unhealthy anyways

).

MSecorsky · Aug 11, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

I'm worried that they release the update too soon. Notice Gaile said the alpha testers... give 'em a bit to get it right.

Besides, my hydromancer isn't ready yet. Just got to Beacons. They can't release until he's ready.

Well, the ranger is ready, so there is that...