Curse

Weezer_Blue · Aug 12, 2005, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Not to sound cynical, but it's about time. In any case, I bought a few runes before they went out of stock.

Rieselle · Aug 13, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

I found a superior smiting before the update, and sold it for 60plat. I now have all the money I'll ever need, and I can go back to safely ignoring the economy. I am content.

Aracos79 · Aug 13, 2005, 01:09 AM // 01:09

I'm still living off a superior vigor that I sold about a month ago. 10 more HP, or enough money to live for months? Not having to deal with player-to-player trade... it's priceless.

John Bloodstone · Aug 13, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Not much to add that hasn't already been said...

Nice idea ANet, but a shame that you've probably done more damage than good with this update. Who cares that the traders now offer fairer prices when nobody can bloody buy anything from them and random people have amassed enormous numbers of runes and materials? Total waste of a superb update if you ask me.

A.Net should just cut their losses and rollback the server to before the update imo. (Yes I know that will never happen

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Sunman222 · Aug 13, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

sometimes replying is all too easy....

Im not big on PvP, but ive played a few times, and i think its fine, all i ever hear is people complaining about spirit spamming and spiking building... non of which has anything to do with Anet, but instead the players who decided to use it... aside from that i see nothing wrong with PvP.. lets not forget i think GW is a little more PvE than PvP, and Anet has no control of what build is more popular than others, some people just hear of a good build and flock like sheep, sadly thats human nature (you hear something is the best and you go for it), Anet could tweek them... but then what about people who use spirits but not in a spamming way?... once again Anet will be making someone happy and making another angry, once again back to where they started

Once again, bringing the prices down was an ok idea.. the people who though "wow 300gp ecto!" and bought 1000 of them are the ones to blame, Anet did what people wanted, they lowed the price and people responded in a horrible way.. Our probem, not Anets. I feel it is now up to us as players to show Anet we are not childeren and we can take care of ourselves and we fix the econ if we really wanted to... you can only hang on to Anet so long before your on your own, and right now thats what happend... Once again Anet makes poor people happy and its the farmers time to revolt... prices are up, farmers are angry, almost everyone is insainly rich... not quite back to square one, but pretty darn close.

It does not take a high idea of math to understand the econ, so there is no use in trying to make it sound that way, i can make is simple, less stock = higher prices, more stock = lower prices. See wasnt that fun?

When ever something does not go their way people do the easyest thing they can think of, blame the creaters

You've PVP a few times? Stop talking already as you have no idea how big the issue is with some of the builds and skills. You also have no idea how much trouble it is for a PVP player to get skills who doesn't like to PVE. PVP shouldn't be about flavor of the week builds. It should be balanced and invite unique builds. There is nothing wrong with spamming the majority of the spirits, it's just natures. Make it a elite or something, so you can't oath shot it.

You don't blame the people at all for buying ectos at 100g. You blame ANET for giving the opportunity. Any smart person would have bought it items at dirt cheap prices. ANET must be retarded for not knowing this would happen. And what are we left now? Traders that never have any stock.

What do you mean when something doesn't go their way? ANET made the biggest mistake in their game's history. Who the heck are you suppose to blame? Replying is sometimes too easy? Say something intelligent and I might reply in their thread again, cause i'm overit.

Andy_M · Aug 13, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Heh, I was skint before the 'fix' and I'm still skint and can't afford anything. So I really have nothing to praise or complain about. Guess it's another weekend of farming for me..... again.

Rahl · Aug 13, 2005, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I guess we get to wait a few weeks before the dammed bots stop buying all the Sups, or at least dwindle in number.

Life sucks right now.. chin up.

Ashley Twig · Aug 15, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Believe me, if the average player REFUSES to buy from the hoarders, they will eventually have to sell their stuff back to the merchants thereby rebalancing the economy.

And we all know the chances of that happening.

"If the average player refuses to buy gold on eBay, farming and botting will stop."

"If people would live by the ten commandments, we'd have peace on earth"

Ensign · Aug 15, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

I don't see what the big deal is. A few people made a few million gold in five minutes because of this economic readjustment. In 90+% of the cases, those players promptly jumped into the Fissure of Woe to craft Fissure Armor for their characters, instantly pulling that money right back out of the economy. In a few weeks, that little hiccup won't even be felt.

The only real problem with the trader reset is all the resentment and envy felt by those who didn't get to exploit it.

Peace,
-CxE

Sanji · Aug 15, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09

There are stupider things to get bent out of shape over than fake internet money or someone circumventing a timesink in a thing that's entire purpose is providing you with a timesink.

Not many, but there are.

mrpo · Aug 15, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

Heh, I was skint before the 'fix' and I'm still skint and can't afford anything. So I really have nothing to praise or complain about. Guess it's another weekend of farming for me..... again.

Amen to that

trelloskilos · Aug 15, 2005, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Is everyone STILL moaning about the economy fix? Talk about flogging a dead horse.

It happened. It's over. Some people got lucky and rich quickly, most of us didn't. In fact, come to think of it, if I was one of the small percentage who took advantage of those rare few minutes between the update being implemented and everything going out of stock, I wouldn't bother with the game anymore. It would be very defatist and I'd have no challenge, hence no impetus to carry on playing.

You can carry on debating about whether Anet were right or wrong to reset the traders in the way that they did, but let's face it - if they left it, people would complain, if they fixed it, people would complain. All the amount of complaining won't change a thing.

Charcoal Ann · Aug 15, 2005, 01:38 PM // 13:38

The problem wasn't so much the people that thought 'oooh cheap ecto,shards and runes'
The problem was the people who thought 'woot! everything is really cheap, must be a bug, i'm buying as much as possible before anyone notices!'
I saw this update and i bought a superior healing rune for 300g...that is all...for my lvl 14 monk... i'm not even using it to solo things

Saerden · Aug 15, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Ensign

I don't see what the big deal is. A few people made a few million gold in five minutes because of this economic readjustment. In 90+% of the cases, those players promptly jumped into the Fissure of Woe to craft Fissure Armor for their characters, instantly pulling that money right back out of the economy. In a few weeks, that little hiccup won't even be felt.

The only real problem with the trader reset is all the resentment and envy felt by those who didn't get to exploit it.

Peace,
-CxE

The problem is that there is no other point in PVE right now besides FoW armor.
Well there is, but money can buy unlocks, too.

Ashraven · Aug 15, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

I talked about this in another thread, and I'll mention it again (as others have): The resetting of prices has affected the ecomony - for good or bad- I will no longer get into this debate. But more than that, IMO, it has greatly impacted the PvE community. Anet, whether they could foresee this or not, have totally contradicted themselves when it came to trying to improve PvE/RPG.

Case in point, look at fissure armor. Expensive, rare and time consuming to craft. Lets ask ourselves, why was it developed this way? So that those players who finally obtain one can show it off with pride so to speak and feel a sense of great accomplishment and maybe feel set apart from others Especially for hardcore PvErs, this sort of thing is what keeps them happy.

Now you have people who can craft this armor in a blink of an eye. Why is it so special now to get 15K armor? This is one example and I can go on and on, but I'll stop here.

Was this an attempt by ANet to also reduce the grind? a way to quickly make the PvPers happy? or make PvErs go to PvP? But wait, isn't the next patch supposed to improve PvE? I don't get it. Sheer schizophrenia.

I may be reading into this way more than I should be, but it just doesn't make any sense to me. I welcome your thoughts (in-flame or in-support).

dargon · Aug 15, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Sheer paranoia is more like it

The prices got reset cause they changed how the traders function. You can't reboot a program and have it remain every setting exactly as it was before, something will change, be lost, revert to default, etc. Due to the fact that pricing is based upon player desire (how many people want a particular item determines what a trader charges), this is a variable. Reset the trader, merge trader A with traders B and C (Europe and Korea) and you have to reset the variable. Who cares if a few hundred people got to take advange of it. Out of, let say 200000 accounts, that few hundred really only adds up to maybe 2%, very small drop in the bucket when you look at the overall result and in the long term will have no effect on the general gaming experience.

Ashraven · Aug 15, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Out of, let say 200000 accounts, that few hundred really only adds up to maybe 2%, very small drop in the bucket when you look at the overall result and in the long term will have no effect on the general gaming experience.

hmm...from that perspective, it becomes rather trivial I suppose. I guess I shouldn't think so much and just play

This is a bit off topic, but if anything, people have a lot of passion about this game- more so than any other game I've experienced. In the end, I think everyone sees great potential in GW and we all want to see how far Anet will take us...

Eclectic · Aug 15, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

All I know is now you can't get a superior rune if you want one. Calling that a big positive development isn't what I would call it. Breaking the economy in a different direction is more correct. Some folks got rich, others spent days trying and failing to get equipment that was formerly available. How is that positive, if you are not one of the lucky nouveau riche?

Frankly I'm tired of the economic sim part of the game. This game is about heroes and combat and story and competition and cooperation with big world wide things going on. We don't need some poorly implemented version of Econ 101. I just want to buy things I need at the appropriate time for prices that the average person can afford when he gets to that place in the game. That means set a price and leave it. If the gold supply gets too big you can raise some prices, but remember it's the average player you want to make prices for, not the speculators who will game a system to get rich no matter what you do. Since I want to kill things instead of spam WTS all day I probably wont be rich. I should still be able to get a superior rune if I need one. Now you can't, and the head cheerleader praises them for it.

BrandonIT · Aug 15, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

I should still be able to get a superior rune if I need one.

This is quoted because it states the most basic problem with any kind of game economic. Do we get what we want, when we want it? Or will any economic model that tries to model real-world economics eventually 'model' real-world economics? 5% control 95% of resources, everyone else goes logarithmically down?

dargon · Aug 16, 2005, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Wait a few days, things will balance out a bit, they have every time in the past. Sure the prices went a little nuts last time. This last update is supposed to remedy that. Give it some time and see it it does. Think of it this way. You buy a lottery ticket thats good for 5 draws. By draw number two you haven't won anything, would you whine that you got shafted or would you wait and see?