Curse

SOT · Aug 12, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

Well its not just people disagreeing with eachother, it seems people don't know what they want themselves. Everyone was saying "fix the econ" and when they do half of the people shouting that for the past week is all like "way to screw us over Anet"... they should be like "Thank you Anet, you care, but we are seem to have messed up the econ again, oh well i guess we as players, the ones who screwed it up should fix it now"

I don't mind people disagreeing with eachother, thats perfectly normal and can some times help figure out what would be best for the game, but when they disagree with themself and blame Anet for what clearly is not their fault (give me one reason why people buying 300 ectos has anything to do with Anet... tell me?), thats just the point of no return

However i guess some people find it hard to see past their own needs

And as I said many threads ago, and was summarily told to can it, HUMAN NATURE WINS AGAIN!

varyag · Aug 12, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

Uh huh

*resumes grinding for skillpoints*
*elevator music*

Ashley Twig · Aug 12, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Silmor

ArenaNet caused those spasms of insanity. If they had properly tested their changes before implementing them, we wouldn't have had these spasms in the first place.

I think I have to agree here.

It's always very amusing to see, how company's (microsoft e.g.) play the hero for fixing bugs/exploits/security issues/etc. they caused themselves.

Like a fireman, starting a fire to look good when he puts it out again.

But I think I'm to blame for the whacked up economy.

About 3 weeks ago I challenged the developers/support/PR with a rather cunning and almost impossible task.
I guess my imoral behavior caused the devs to neglect the development of the economy. So ban me, flame me. It's all my fault.

BigTru · Aug 12, 2005, 08:07 AM // 08:07

FACT: No matter what they do, Ectoeplasm will always be overpriced =p

Angelina · Aug 12, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

exept for thoses who buyed more than 500 ectos at less than 500 gold each.
Gaara : I think that ANY player will buy as maximum ectos as he can for 500 each, because you make a profit of 10k per ecto, because prices WILL go up. The merchant is out of stock, that mean all ectos have been bought. I don't understand why Anet has let so many ectos for some ridiculous price, and why the prices are getting high. By ectos I'm also talking about runes and other materials (shards,...)
What's the point giving billion gold to some players in 5 minutes ?
So yes, I blame Anet, for wasting all my time spended on that game, because in 5 minutes some players made an amount of gold I'll never have in months of game.

Makkert · Aug 12, 2005, 08:15 AM // 08:15

something i don't understand:

trader: ecto 9k sell
ok...bit low, but good
trader: ecto 7k buy
ok...understandable...2k difference is not bad.
i'll take the ecto for 9k...
trader: ecto out of stock
ok....
trader: ecto 6.5k buy
er? now it is out of stock, less payment?

Angelina · Aug 12, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

I think it wont go down to 6.5k

(to assure a minimum profit of 6k to thoses who buyed at 500 each)

Sunman222 · Aug 12, 2005, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

you my good sir are the one who is confused, i know very well how the econ works, people just don't understand that limited stock + constant buyers + low sellers = high prices, aka: Back to square one

so please make sure you know who you are taking to before you post, or i will have to prove you wrong time and time again...

Looks to me like no matter what Anet does it can't keep these monkeys happy, they have alreay proven that they listen and care about us as players, and we as players (well most of us) have showed we don't care about that and we just want more, more, more right now...

Oh yeah, they listen and care about us players (PVE), lets not forgot about all the PVP players that have already quit and gave up on GW because of their lack of response to the instrumental problems surrounding PVP. I've heard some of the best solutions get shut down. The next update is a PVE update, obviously it looks like they care about PVE more than PVP. Cause really, is it that hard to tweak Natures and spirits to make it more balanced?

I like that they fixed the buy back prices cause yes, that was pissing me off like everyone else. But resetting the prices????? WTF is that about. You just made the people that got in on it super rich in the coming days and people who didn't work their asses off getting fissure materials cheaply. That is a slap in the face to everyone else who actually worked to get their materials and gold.

You still haven't said a thing that makes me think you know a thing about economics. You figured out why their are high prices, yet you think going back to square one as you put it, solves stuff? LOLOLOLOLOL Roflcopter plz. The prices are where they are at due to demand and scarcity (rarity in GW), which drives the economy both in RL and GW. Just because gas prices are high as heck doesn't mean we simply drop it to under 1.00 because everyone doesnt like paying high gas prices.

If you're calling us monkeys, what the heck are you? A goldfish?

Angelina · Aug 12, 2005, 08:27 AM // 08:27

omg 100% agree

Ferrari coast alot of money. Is that why they sell them for $1,00 every thursday nights ?
Like that you can buy 10 ferrari with $10,00 and resell them for 1,000,0000,1000,0,1,0,10,,10,,1,010,1,00000 dollars ? LOL

Kabale · Aug 12, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Everyone is just jealous. I didn't get in on the sale and to be honest I am a little bummed but I cant really blame those that did. If I were in their position, I would have done the same thing. Anet changed the traders wonderfully! Its just the reset of prices that was unnecessary and stupid.

This is exactly how I feel, all those that got lucky, sympathize for us

I'm not that P.O.'d about it, but yeah, left out... Too bad I got a headache 2 hours before they decided to put in the update, and decided to call it a night.

Btw. With this patch... If in the States the patch came out during working hours, and in Europe during the nite (2am I think)...then, for Korea, was it at like 5pm or something?? That would mean they got the most of it. Wouldn't bloody surprise me

Saerden · Aug 12, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

you my good sir are the one who is confused, i know very well how the econ works, people just don't understand that limited stock + constant buyers + low sellers = high prices, aka: Back to square one

so please make sure you know who you are taking to before you post, or i will have to prove you wrong time and time again...

Looks to me like no matter what Anet does it can't keep these monkeys happy, they have alreay proven that they listen and care about us as players, and we as players (well most of us) have showed we don't care about that and we just want more, more, more right now...

They fixed an obvious bug: Major rune 11,9k / 25 gold. Thats not something great. thats how it should be.

By fixing this bug, they resetted prices, allowing a selected few to aquire HUGE riches. It was their mistake, and not the players. If you put a basket full of bread amidsts starving children, and you start to complain about "private property" after they eat it, you deserve to be shot. Same thing with leaving your car in a slum with the key inside.

Now the economy is not a big part of GW, but even such a simple fix lead to more lame mistakes and more injustice. Noone complains about this obvious bugfix - its the new "lowprice for a short time" bug. But if they cant even fix something like that without causing even more trouble, can they actually fix parts of the game that matter?

Stop defending such lame mistakes.

michaeldt · Aug 12, 2005, 11:14 AM // 11:14

the idea behind the fix is good. but inorder to sync the traders inall regions, they had to reset the prices. however some numb nut at anet decided it would be better to just set them all to their lowest value.

why not average out the prices from all regions and set the prices to that. then let the economy settle down gently.

now, all the US players who were online and bought all the stock, are rich, and the people who live in europe and Korea now have no stock at all!! wow, nice job !!!

Infecta · Aug 12, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Ya, might as well remove the rune traders now since they carry no stock at all. Woo hoo!!

noblepaladin · Aug 12, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Fixing buyback prices, good. Benefits are obvious.

Syncing traders in all regions, good (there were people with two accounts, one in Euro and one in America, and they would buy in Euro and traders sell in America using WTS for profit). Also stops the 4am buyers from getting stuff for very cheap just because they can stay up that late or are in a timezone where less people tend to be on.

Restocking traders and setting prices down to 100g, horrible. Random redistribution of billions of gold to a few people.

If the algorithm represents supply and demand at all, their buy prices and sell prices should start increasing soon, meaning they will have stock but at a much higher price. 3k gold for a monk superior rune is definitely too low, which is why it is out of stock. What I don't understand is why many runes like the Monk ones and why Ecto does not increase in price over the values they are at right now, because there is obviously enormous demand for them at the current price. Vigor and Absorption sure skyrocketed quickly (eventually people will start selling them and bring the things back to an equilbrium price), but the other items won't change in price meaning people will keep buying up the stock because it's priced too cheap (and nobody would sell back).

Divinitys Creature · Aug 12, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

:- ( I wanted to buy some 300 gp ectos D;

MSecorsky · Aug 12, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

ANet!

Resupply the merchants regularly, like KMart and Target are resupplied regularly!

Everything fixed!

'nuff said.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 12, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Sunman222

Oh yeah, they listen and care about us players (PVE), lets not forgot about all the PVP players that have already quit and gave up on GW because of their lack of response to the instrumental problems surrounding PVP. I've heard some of the best solutions get shut down. The next update is a PVE update, obviously it looks like they care about PVE more than PVP. Cause really, is it that hard to tweak Natures and spirits to make it more balanced?

I like that they fixed the buy back prices cause yes, that was pissing me off like everyone else. But resetting the prices????? WTF is that about. You just made the people that got in on it super rich in the coming days and people who didn't work their asses off getting fissure materials cheaply. That is a slap in the face to everyone else who actually worked to get their materials and gold.

You still haven't said a thing that makes me think you know a thing about economics. You figured out why their are high prices, yet you think going back to square one as you put it, solves stuff? LOLOLOLOLOL Roflcopter plz. The prices are where they are at due to demand and scarcity (rarity in GW), which drives the economy both in RL and GW. Just because gas prices are high as heck doesn't mean we simply drop it to under 1.00 because everyone doesnt like paying high gas prices.

If you're calling us monkeys, what the heck are you? A goldfish?

sometimes replying is all too easy....

Im not big on PvP, but ive played a few times, and i think its fine, all i ever hear is people complaining about spirit spamming and spiking building... non of which has anything to do with Anet, but instead the players who decided to use it... aside from that i see nothing wrong with PvP.. lets not forget i think GW is a little more PvE than PvP, and Anet has no control of what build is more popular than others, some people just hear of a good build and flock like sheep, sadly thats human nature (you hear something is the best and you go for it), Anet could tweek them... but then what about people who use spirits but not in a spamming way?... once again Anet will be making someone happy and making another angry, once again back to where they started

Once again, bringing the prices down was an ok idea.. the people who though "wow 300gp ecto!" and bought 1000 of them are the ones to blame, Anet did what people wanted, they lowed the price and people responded in a horrible way.. Our probem, not Anets. I feel it is now up to us as players to show Anet we are not childeren and we can take care of ourselves and we fix the econ if we really wanted to... you can only hang on to Anet so long before your on your own, and right now thats what happend... Once again Anet makes poor people happy and its the farmers time to revolt... prices are up, farmers are angry, almost everyone is insainly rich... not quite back to square one, but pretty darn close.

It does not take a high idea of math to understand the econ, so there is no use in trying to make it sound that way, i can make is simple, less stock = higher prices, more stock = lower prices. See wasnt that fun?

When ever something does not go their way people do the easyest thing they can think of, blame the creaters

Kali Ma · Aug 12, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Resupply the merchants regularly, like KMart and Target are resupplied regularly!

Everything fixed!

The trader does get resupplied... by the players! The biggest reason the economy got so messed up to begin with is because nobody sold items of worth to the trader. The prices go up when more people buy than sell, and items go out of stock until players sell them back. When the update hit, there was a big rush to buy, and so the stock dwindled. Now that the trader's have been fixed to offer more reasonable prices when they buy things from us, eventually more people will sell to them and the stock will rise.

Not everybody enjoys wasting time in LA and Ascalon dist 1 posting "WTS" messages for hours on end. If the trader offers a reasonable buy back price, then the majority of these players will simply sell there instead. I know that I will.

Eventually the stock will rise, sell prices will drop and everything will even out.

Thank you Anet, and Gaile. /bow

Aniewiel · Aug 12, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Believe me, if the average player REFUSES to buy from the hoarders, they will eventually have to sell their stuff back to the merchants thereby rebalancing the economy.

Aracos79 · Aug 12, 2005, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Believe me, if the average player REFUSES to buy from the hoarders, they will eventually have to sell their stuff back to the merchants thereby rebalancing the economy.

Quoted for truth. Don't like the player-to-player economy? Don't participate. The only thing I've ever bought from another player was a max dmg Mursaat Hammer that dropped during a mission run. I offered to buy it on the spot simply because I wanted it for my hammer warrior. I way overpaid too, but it was totally worth it since I didn't have to hunt through trade spam.