Curse

JoDiamonds · Jun 22, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Angryhob0z

I dont advocate spamming in the local channels, but sometimes leaving one or two WTB in the locals wont hurt anyone. i dont know about anyone else, but when im buying and selling stuff after a while the pink text starts to blur together... so sometimes the white text makes a nice change. and another thing, most people who spam their items, have local chat turned off, and vice versa, local people have trade channel turned off, so in order to maximize your potential buyers it only makes sense to put it in local and trade channels...

Just my $.02

I disagree with this idea completely. There's a REASON people turn off trade chat, and you are trying to defeat it in order to make a buck.

Maybe it makes sense, but it also makes you suck.

salja Wachi · Jun 22, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by JoDiamonds

I disagree with this idea completely. There's a REASON people turn off trade chat, and you are trying to defeat it in order to make a buck.

Maybe it makes sense, but it also makes you suck.

woohoo my friend finally someone says it the way it is. these guys are so greedy it seems that they will do anything to make some gold.

I agree people who do this SUCK!!!!! they are selfish morons who think that rules do not apply to them.

i would bet they think that in RL as well.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

you said it exactly. the "all" channel should not cater to you just because you do not like the pink chat.

follow the rules or get banned. why is that such a hard concept to understand?

I understand it perfectly....I just know that there are things in life I can change...things in life that are worth wasting my effort on...and some things that aren't.

QTFsniper · Jun 22, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

If A.net would make an announcement saying that players who use the ALL channel for trading would be banned, Im sure alot of it would be instantly stopped. Is that so hard? Right now, they should just merge all of that chat channels cause it sure as hell isnt doing any good in some districts.

Lampshade · Jun 22, 2005, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Ban WTB and WTS from All chat.
If you say it in All the server detects is and says STOP or else.....

OneArmedScissor · Jun 23, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by hydrak

You were saying that "district 1 or 2 is the traders' district." I'm just pointing out the greatness of your logic.

It's the truth. I very rarely see anyone actually looking for a group in these districts.

Rhedd · Jun 23, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

See, not to pick on anyone in particular, but Angryhob0z's opinions are exactly what's causing the problem.

Sure, people turn off the trade channel so if you're using that channel to sell, a lot of people won't hear your message. Know WHY people turn off the trade channel? Because they don't WANT to hear your advertisement! Think about it.

OneArmedScissor · Jun 23, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25

If they banned "WTS" and "WTB", people would just use "FT" and "ISO".

You think people are greedy for trying to trade an item? LOL
Ok then... I think you're greedy because you won't give me your account.

The whole trading system in general sucks in GW.
At least in D2 there were actual trading channels.

provoko · Jun 23, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

In D2 it was WUW (what you want) and WUG (what you got). Soooo annoying. For some reason they only started doing that towards patch 1.10, so for 2 years it was 'Selling/Buying' then all of a sudden all these dumb looking WUW WUG WUW WUG showed up.

KaPe · Jun 23, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

"The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often"

Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'.
Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times.

StandardAI · Jun 23, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Any all talk message with WTB or WTS should automatically be filtered, but it's not.

Divinitys Creature · Jun 23, 2005, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Any all talk message with WTB or WTS should automatically be filtered, but it's not.

Rieselle · Jun 23, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by KaPe

"The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often"

Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'.
Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times.

I dont sell or buy stuff anyway, the "I" in my statement was from a spammer's point of view. Telling them not to do it usually doesnt work. That's why we're having this discussion. Besides .... what about WTB something? Maybe noone has it right now. But someone might, a little bit later. Maybe someone has it, but they lost "my" post in the million spams. Better spam again, just to be sure everyone has a chance to see it.... and so it goes.... you can't exactly blame that on "noone wants your crappy item."

Navaros · Jun 23, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by hydrak

There is a reason why people have their trade tab off. It is to get away from the trade spams. What tab should these people turn off now that everyone starts spamming in the all channel? Trades should only be spammed in the trade channels, there is no excuse for spamming in the all channels.

well the thing is, people who post items in the All channel also want to get away from the trade spam hence their trade channel is off too

the trade channel is nothing but headache-causing chaos. total anarchy. the argument from most of you that "traders should not stop people who don't want to sell from enjoying the game by spamming in the All channel" is in fact a two sided coin

there is a counter-argument to that. which is, saying that anyone who wants to sell or buy something must be forced into the anarchy of the trade channel is ruining their enjoyment of the game

you guys can not place those who don't want to trade's collective enjoyment of the game above those who do want to trade; yet not in a way that will cause them headaches and grief

JoDiamonds · Jun 23, 2005, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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there is a counter-argument to that. which is, saying that anyone who wants to sell or buy something must be forced into the anarchy of the trade channel is ruining their enjoyment of the game

you guys can not place those who don't want to trade's collective enjoyment of the game above those who do want to trade; yet not in a way that will cause them headaches and grief

While I appreciate the sentiment, I think it's twisted. However, as an aside:

Most people who want to buy and sell are probably looking at the trade chat, that being the officially designated place to do so. It's really not in the seller or buyer's best interest to post in the general chat: (1) They are not reaching their most likely target market (2) They are pissing off potential future customers who are less likely to buy from them.

I know that even if I want an item, I won't buy it from someone advertising in the general (local) chat. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Rhedd · Jun 23, 2005, 04:39 AM // 04:39

So, I apologize if this suggesition is buried somewhere in the above discussion and I missed it, but...

Can anyone give me ANY reasonable use for having the ability to resend the same message over and over? Wouldn't simply removing the ability to hit the up arrow and resend the same message almost completely fry spamming?

I can't really see your average spammer retyping their entire item description every two seconds. ^_^

Removing the random roll function in cities totally killed the gambling problem. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

And no, JoDiamonds, you aren't the only one. I won't buy anything from anyone advertising on the general channel either. If everyone did the same, the problem would instantly be solved.

That's the REALLY simple solution.

provoko · Jun 23, 2005, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by JoDiamonds

While I appreciate the sentiment, I think it's twisted. However, as an aside:

Most people who want to buy and sell are probably looking at the trade chat, that being the officially designated place to do so. It's really not in the seller or buyer's best interest to post in the general chat: (1) They are not reaching their most likely target market (2) They are pissing off potential future customers who are less likely to buy from them.

I know that even if I want an item, I won't buy it from someone advertising in the general (local) chat. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Yea, I don't even have 'ALL' on when I'm trading.

Did everyone hear that, I don't even have 'ALL' on when I'm trading!

Theres enough suggestions in this thread for the developers to work with. Theres no use in talking about this topic any more.

EmperorTippy · Jun 23, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Personally I won't buy anything in all chat except sigils. Before you flame me read what I say. I use trade for everthing except sigils because there are many smaller guilds that are looking for a sigil and if they see one for sale for a good price they will buy it with minimum hassle. I only post the WTS: Celestial Sigil - Whisper me for details once in each district in LA and then go of and do something else for 15-30 miniutes and come back and do the same thing. I almost always get a buyer with minimum hassle and if anyone ask me to stop using local I say no problem and stop or go to another district.

*dons pyromancer robes and ward against foes* flame away

Algren Cole · Jun 23, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by KaPe

"The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often"

Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'.
Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times.

not everything is crap...some items are only usefull for a small population. I have two items that aren't the most popular items but would fetch a fair penny more than they are worth to the Trader if I sold them to a player....I'm sure many people agree that selling a Gold item to the weapons trader isn't the greatest idea. ArenaNET needs to work on the whole trade functionality of this game. I'm not sure if they anticipated it as being such a large part of the game. They should look into putting together a town/outpost, with a map point visible to everyone by default, where people can go to trade.....and have a GIANT trade window(like a market). This would alleviate much of the problem.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jun 23, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

about as bad as trade spam is guild spam.

Join My Guild! We be coolz! Got Nice Capes and Nice People to play with! Guild hall coming soon!

There are some that spam so fast and repeatedly...I am convinced they are bots.

More Channels mean more areas for people to spam.
The possible...POSSIBLE....solution to both guild and trade spams are selling areas(towns) for people who wish to trade..and an area for guilds to post recruitment notices. Problem still is that people wont utilize them and spam thinking that they will get noticed more. Part of the reason I believe people spam the ALL chat is that alot of us (including myself) have the trade chat turned off.