Originally Posted by Algren Cole

1 ranger can't spam Nature Renewal. it has a 5 second cast time and a 60 second recharge time. If you're dropping 1 every minute that's not exactly spamming. Take out the NR then take out the ranger...its not difficult.

Spirit Spammer groups become a problem when you have multiple rangers. 3 rangers could effectively spam Nature Renewal...this is where you need to come up with a build. I've come up with 2 and I've talked to other people that have come up with a couple. I believe Salja has 1. So that's 4 or 5 different counter builds for spirit spammers.

it's not that they are doing something right...it's that all of their opponents are doing something wrong.

Originally Posted by i eat crap

all the devs have to do is basically make it so, so that it is easily interuptable when laying down spirits. just like traps and the whole problem is solved.

Originally Posted by Syzerian

I started thinking of a possible counter to spirit spamming a few days ago.
Basically what I have been think of is a group of E/Me's as the main counter. The Elementalists would slap on an anti-interupt stance, then use arcane mimicry with meteor shower and maybe use whirlwind and earthquake aswell. What you want is to spam knockdowns as much as possible. While the Ele's target the Spirit Spammers the rest of the team would target the spirits, possibly using EoE to accelerate the process (the spam knockdowns wont last for long). Once a path has been cleared some Warriors would rush in (preferably knockdown Warriors) and attempt to keep the enemy distracted while the Ele's recharge.
The group arrangement would be 2W 3E 2Mo 1R.

Its a pretty vague strategy ATM and havent really thought into detail that much so far.

One easy solution to NR would be to simply make spirits easily interuptable.

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth Kg

I've played EP twice and i got to say that the spirits they use aren't really the issue... it's the fact that they use them just to stop/hold the other team at the flag stand not really doing anything while killing the npc's and eventually the guild lord... so in fact the only real way to fight them is to give up the flag stand and fight them with less 10% life at your base... of course this makes up for a shitty game and possibly a draw... but from now on it's what my guild will do since it's nearly impossible to win if you play their game

Originally Posted by Thock

ok i have yet to play any signifigant amount of PvP in this game. however, in every {edit: competative pvp} game there is an unwritten rule that a build will be dominant and every one will call it broken and call for a nerf/ban/restriction on it. nerf the NR builds and something else will take over and someone else will be complaining about how strong it is and call for a nerf. there will alwys be a better build and and people will always whine piss and moan about it instead of coming up with a consistant way to beat it. so basically the way i see it either NR gets nerfed and some new or old build comes along and takes top spot and people start complaining about that. or people start beating the NR build consistantly with no nerf, that build becomes dominant and people start whining about it. either way there will always be a build at the top and always someone to complain about it.

Originally Posted by CAT

Heres my beef.

I get whispers 24/7... gj! gj! man ur owning! can i join your team?
And the reason why..?

I have the character name Natures Renewal

OMFGOT STOP WHISPERING ME

Originally Posted by Thock

ok i have yet to play any signifigant amount of PvP in this game.

Originally Posted by Nash

'nuff said. I rest my case.

Originally Posted by Thock

ok i have yet to play any signifigant amount of PvP in this game. however, in every {edit: competative pvp} game there is an unwritten rule that a build will be dominant and every one will call it broken and call for a nerf/ban/restriction on it. nerf the NR builds and something else will take over and someone else will be complaining about how strong it is and call for a nerf. there will alwys be a better build and and people will always whine piss and moan about it instead of coming up with a consistant way to beat it. so basically the way i see it either NR gets nerfed and some new or old build comes along and takes top spot and people start complaining about that. or people start beating the NR build consistantly with no nerf, that build becomes dominant and people start whining about it. either way there will always be a build at the top and always someone to complain about it.

Originally Posted by Nash

Right, some of the biggest GW veterans, the people who understand GW the most and have been playing it for over a year, are just crying for nerfs because they can't beat the spirit spammers. Do you believe that yourself? Then perhaps you in your infinite wisdom can figure out this awesome counter.

Originally Posted by salja Wachi

hey nice sarcasm. :P

playing for a year huh? well since a lot of the game is very very different from the betas i do not see how that is an issue.

that being said there is a counter (probably more than one.) i for one would like to sit down and talk to the people that have been playing for a "year" as you put it and see what they have tried and what they are thinking of trying.

without that all we can do is sit here and cry nerf. i for 1 will not do that

Originally Posted by salja Wachi

rest what case? this game is not so different from most others. when people cannot beat something the want it nerfed here just as in any other game. it happens all the time. when someone cannot succeed they think something is either "broken" or "hacked" or whatever thweir excuse is for not being able to beat it.

use your brains there are counters to NR spammers. we just need to find them.

(or maybe some of us have)

either way it is going to take some brain power to figure it out instead of crying for a nerf.