Curse

fubar121 · Aug 06, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

I was under same rock...
Just a lowly level 10 here

trelloskilos · Aug 06, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

But one thing you also have to bear in mind is that Ebay are also making money from the auctions. Their 'get-out' clause is that they don't actively police the site - they don't need to - they're a venue, and all listings are responibility of the seller. This is why you still see fake items pouring in. Ebay turn a blind eye up to the point where they start getting reports from buyers that items are in violation, and even then, they're slow to act.

fubar121 · Aug 06, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Ebay blows anyway.

Van the Warrior · Aug 06, 2005, 01:38 PM // 13:38

look at it this way

you must be REALLY sad to buy online money for a game that doesnt even charge a Monthly Fee

Divinitys Creature · Aug 06, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Ebay can sell it AFAIK - the EULA is not a law, it is an agreement between you and NCSOFT, and unless Ebay signed up to some other agreement (why would they want to lose money) you will not see an end to the auctions IMO.

There must be some kind of agreement in light of what Zaklex said, but AFAIK it must be some kind of agreement and not the enforcing of any law.

L33t Masta · Aug 06, 2005, 06:42 PM // 18:42

*gets out paypal*

I guess I don't have to farm anymore.

villain71 · Aug 12, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I bought 300k for 17 bucks. For me to get that much in-game I have to farm for hours. In 6 hours of work in RL I make 42 bucks an hour. So which is better.. farm for hours to get 300k and have ZERO money in RL.. or the latter?? Pretty simple to me.

Dax · Aug 13, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by villain71

I bought 300k for 17 bucks. For me to get that much in-game I have to farm for hours. In 6 hours of work in RL I make 42 bucks an hour. So which is better.. farm for hours to get 300k and have ZERO money in RL.. or the latter?? Pretty simple to me.

So why don't pay to have someone just play the game for you?
Seems like alot of work

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

don't ever use real life money to buy pixels. Not worth it.

did you not buy this game? or are you saying you pirated the title? hmmm? If you bought it then you paid for pixels with REAL money. was it worth it?

I agree that no one should buy gold off the net for a game, but I also agree that the economy is so messed in this title that some people just have NO CHOICE. if they want that sup vigor that retails for 85 Fracking plat. then they are screwed unless they come up with a way to gain that gold.

ZeR04U · Aug 13, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

People that say, "If you buy money for games then you need to reevaluate your life," are idiots that just don't understand a simple yet quite important concept: Time is Money.

You're ALL telling me, you'd rather sit in front of a computer working for 300,000 gold over the course of 10 hours then go work for 2 hours ($14 MINIMUM wage - most people get more than that) and go buy it on ebay. Not to mention you're interacting with people, and get something to put on your resume.

So you save 8 hours, to either go get more REAL money you keep, or hang out on Guild Wars and do something more productive. Sorry, but saying "buying money on ebay is stupid," is simply ignorant. If you're spending 500 hours playing a game you need to reevaluate your life.

sambotheman · Aug 13, 2005, 07:36 AM // 07:36

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

purchasing video game items for real money will NEVER be illegal.

if it isnt legal why arent ebay being sued because they can say they they are not charging for A.net propertey and they they are just charging for the time spent

and as some1 convienly put it time is money.

and i probaly will be buyin that 100000 for £2 as i could find that on the floor but not buy very much with it. A bit like GW then. so in some terms RL money is worth less

It is a vious cycle with botting and ppl buyin money off ebay. But the economy isnt helped by the ppl that horde 200 ectos and 45 super vigors and such thanks to that "amazin" update that ruined the economy more

P.S i really like the game

Angelina · Aug 13, 2005, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Ebay, sell ectos you bought 100 gold/each $1 , get $2000 and leave the game. Another great idea of Arenanet !

villain71 · Aug 13, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Dax

So why don't pay to have someone just play the game for you?
Seems like alot of work

Sorry bout grinding for 'gold' is not what I consider Playing. I do the missions and play with my friends for an hour or two but I will not waste my time farming for gold when I can simply buy them. I'd rather spend most of my hours making money in rl than in-game. 17 bucks is nothing to me. And this paying for pixel crap is a joke. I paid 50 bucks for the game... a game that is not real...so what's another 17. Ain't shit to me as long as I don't have to waste my time farming for stupid gold just so I can get my armor, weapons and those outrageous dye prices.

Fatalis · Aug 13, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Dax

So why don't pay to have someone just play the game for you?
Seems like alot of work

Bad troll.

bele · Aug 13, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Silmor

It's not just a choice of preference. Let's say you purchase 500k gold from eBay just to afford that Fissure armour and the required materials. Surely that isn't hurting anyone?

But it is. You can suddenly afford the outrageous ectoplasm prices, will buy them in bulk, their price will rise. Those who don't farm extensively or those who don't buy money online stand less of a chance of ever completing their armour.

The gold that you're buying is 'unnatural' gold. It comes from bots who just keep grinding out gold all day. They only exist because you are there to buy it from them. The only way other players can compete with that sort of buying power is to buy from bots as well. Every gold coin you bought from them and spent in-game increases inflation in the game, and decreases enjoyment for every player who doesn't buy gold.

But hey, if you only care about your own enjoyment, what's the problem, right? And you play with henchmen anyway, so in a few months, when there's only bots running out of towns and no other players because they've come to hate the game for the rampant botting ruining their gaming experience, that won't affect you one bit.

Amen. What else can be said?.

Maybe your'e exaggerating a bit, but bots are ruining the economy and this economy sucks so utterly that a few speculators can take it and move the prices as they want, and they want skyrocket.

Just one q.

Today 100p -------> 2 $

Tomorrow 1000P -----> 20$ ??

are you going to pay it to buy the fisure armor ?

Remember, you are giving them freely the control on the economy

In my personal case, being Euro it's nearly impossible to access UW. damm, i cannot even afford the black dyes to finish my standard armor, and my weapons suck aswell.

Dax · Aug 14, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Fatalis

Bad troll.

It's a legitimate question I think.... part of the game whether you like it or not is to aquire gold. Just because someone doesn't like that aspect of the game doesn't negate the fact that it is part of the gameplay.

Sorry

Dax · Aug 14, 2005, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by villain71

Sorry bout grinding for 'gold' is not what I consider Playing. I do the missions and play with my friends for an hour or two but I will not waste my time farming for gold when I can simply buy them. I'd rather spend most of my hours making money in rl than in-game. 17 bucks is nothing to me. And this paying for pixel crap is a joke. I paid 50 bucks for the game... a game that is not real...so what's another 17. Ain't shit to me as long as I don't have to waste my time farming for stupid gold just so I can get my armor, weapons and those outrageous dye prices.

Once again sorry you don't like it but it's part of the game. You're basically paying someone to play for you. I know it's not what you want to hear but it's the truth. If you play through the missions I can almost guarantee you that you'll have plenty of money. Maybe not all the dye or the top weapons and armor but that's the price you have to pay (no pun intended). If you want that stuff you'll haveto play a little longer (gee if the game is that great you'd think this would be a good thing).

Oh and the game is real (it's on a physical disk, and in a real honest to goodness box), the time you paid someone to play it is not.

Fatalis · Aug 14, 2005, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by Dax

Once again sorry you don't like it but it's part of the game.

Listen to this man, he has discovered the reason why grinding is fun: because it is part of the game!

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Originally Posted by Dax

You're basically paying someone to play for you.

You've accidentally misspelled 'to grind' as 'to play'.

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Originally Posted by Dax

I know it's not what you want to hear but it's the truth.

Good one.

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Originally Posted by Dax

If you play through the missions I can almost guarantee you that you'll have plenty of money.

Stop making these blanket statements. Besides, the gold you get from finishing the storyline is nothing when compared to perfect weapon prices or gold sinks; it is hardly 'plenty' for anything.

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Originally Posted by Dax

If you want that stuff you'll haveto play a little longer (gee if the game is that great you'd think this would be a good thing).

You're missing the point. People call it 'grinding' for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Dax

Oh and the game is real (it's on a physical disk, and in a real honest to goodness box), the time you paid someone to play it is not.

O rly. My friend bought only the CD-key from PlayNC — where is his box? Software is a product of the intellect, not machines in a CD factory.

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Originally Posted by Dax

It's a legitimate question I think....

Perhaps in Fanboi-land. Stop dodging arguments, somebody already said this:

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Originally Posted by villain71

Sorry bout grinding for 'gold' is not what I consider Playing.

spartans · Aug 14, 2005, 10:20 AM // 10:20

So ebayers ruin the game, did anbody notice the trader update? Compared to A Net ebay is nothing LMFAO.

Now see people selling items with messages such as (if less than 300k dont contact) or super godly blah blah for 200k and 60 ectos.

Between nerfing and fixing I would say A Net is the biggest problem. The game was absolutetly fantastic until after the first few updates. Then I felt the nerfing hit me big time. So I ebayed 100k. And continued on my merry way.

I have 6 (yes 6) characters. I have a guild.

Bag me only if you havent tried to make gold from selling items above 2k, uber build farming, hoarding materials ,running and any other methods to aquire gold. It all amounts to the same thing people. Live and let live I say.

=HT=Ingram · Aug 14, 2005, 11:09 AM // 11:09

look. let me put this plain. I would have Zero problem with this IF Arenanet was doing it. it is their intellectual property and they should be able to control it as they see fit. They have opted to Ban accounts engaging in such activities for violation of the EULA and the Rules of Conduct listed on their web page. Buy purchasing from 3rd party vendors for real money anything related to the guildwars franchise, you are in fact guilty of IP fraud. and can be prosecuted for it, if they so choose. Not only is your current account IP address and Mailing address blocked from future access, if you go and buy the game AGAIN with a whole new key and any part matches their ban database they will also ban that account as well... I have seen this with someone from our gaming clan and seen the initial Warning letters they sent him prior to this happening. They even lifted the ban once and wiped his account. After he violated it again (buying gold again) he was completely locked out. and has no chance of returning.

so just don't do it. easy as that. if you are so desperate for gold, I don't know what to say except play the game more. there is plenty to be found out there. Legitimately...

and Nothing.. absolutly NOTHING in the game is worth more the 100k Ever. that is the max anyone can hold on their person and that is the limit for a trade window for a reason. the simpile act of trading more then this is also a flag for additional monitoring of your account.. and I have seen people get warning e-mails for this activity as well... so just be warned... thats all I say. generally speaking people that trade for more then 100k are either scamming you, are about to be scammed. just forget it... they got it coming either way...