Curse

Die_trying_inc · Aug 03, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Dax

I screws of farming (hence making money) for the rest because the drop rates have been nerfed most likely due to botting (mostly by gold sellers)....that's why.

Does someone who plays more have an advantage? Yes, but it's not an unfair advantage. Would you think it's ok to cheat if you couldn't spen enough time playing too? Seriouly, it's only logical that someone who spends more time in a game is probably going to accomplish more..... the game isn't that hard though.

the game itself; easy.
finding an item you desperatly want; difficult and time consuming.
i know that a person who plays more is going to accomplish more and that's my point. I'm just trying to compensate for the time I don't have.

Dax · Aug 03, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Die_trying_inc

the game itself; easy.
finding an item you desperatly want; difficult and time consuming.
i know that a person who plays more is going to accomplish more and that's my point. I'm just trying to compensate for the time I don't have.

Because of excessive botting things are harder to find, so you make less money and will take you more time. Excessive botting is mostly done by gold sellers. That's my point.

trelloskilos · Aug 03, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

My 2 cents....

Buying virtual money for real money sucks!

OK, so you don't want to put in the time and gameplay to get a healthy level of cash in the game. That's your problem. However, you're ruining the game for everyone else.

I do farm, but it's not an active part of my gameplay. I do it if I'm testing a skill layout, or if I'm expanding parts of the map, or if I need a break from quests etc. If I were to put in the effort and spend a good hour or so collecting, salvaging, exchanging and trading, and get say 10k out of all of it, that's fine by me. What isn't fine by me is someone sauntering in with 1000k in virtual funds messing up the economy and making a mockery of the efforts of me and other gamers.

Bottom line is that I bought Guild Wars to have fun and enjoy a game, but if your idea of enjoying a game is to have it all laid out on a plate, I'd rather do it the hard way.

Die_trying_inc · Aug 03, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by trelloskilos

My 2 cents....

Buying virtual money for real money sucks!

OK, so you don't want to put in the time and gameplay to get a healthy level of cash in the game. That's your problem. However, you're ruining the game for everyone else.

I do farm, but it's not an active part of my gameplay. I do it if I'm testing a skill layout, or if I'm expanding parts of the map, or if I need a break from quests etc. If I were to put in the effort and spend a good hour or so collecting, salvaging, exchanging and trading, and get say 10k out of all of it, that's fine by me. What isn't fine by me is someone sauntering in with 1000k in virtual funds messing up the economy and making a mockery of the efforts of me and other gamers.

Bottom line is that I bought Guild Wars to have fun and enjoy a game, but if your idea of enjoying a game is to have it all laid out on a plate, I'd rather do it the hard way.

Agreed.

But again I go back to my point. I don't have the amount of time required to farm even if i was able to farm for 2 hours a day, I would NOT "have fun and enjoy [this] game", I'd rather cut to the heart of this game= PvP and be able to compete there. That is my idea of fun. I don't care if I can beat a dragon or a wolf, I'd rather be able to beat you, your friend, brother or whoever else wants to fight me, I'd rather it not take months to get to the point where I am able to compete.

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Originally Posted by Dax

Because of excessive botting things are harder to find, so you make less money and will take you more time. Excessive botting is mostly done by gold sellers. That's my point.

The drop rates on "godly items" are going to go down whether there's bots or not. and by making things harder to find that makes them worth more gold. Supply and Demand. Look it up.

Dax · Aug 03, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Die_trying_inc

The drop rates on "godly items" are going to go down whether there's bots or not. and by making things harder to find that makes them worth more gold. Supply and Demand. Look it up.

Yea I know what supply and demand is, but we all know this is not the case. Anet has nerfed several areas because of rampant botting. Ask anyone who actually farms, as opposed to people who just buy gold because they will just give excuses. If people didn't bot and exploit you'd see a more robust economy.

Evidently I'm not going to convince you. It really doesn't matter to me I don't spend that much time playing and I have all the money I need. I really think its a matter of just not wanting to play the game, to which you are paying someone to do for you.

Paul Templar · Aug 03, 2005, 10:13 PM // 22:13

I refuse to support the use of bots and that means will not buy gold off ebay
Its the same as I dont support thieves and just because they can sell things cheap doesnt mean its better to buy off them either.
Where on earth did it become necessary to buy gold in the first place the items are not special required to play the game they are just gold sinks for a change not anything better
In the real world if I cant afford it I do without

The only way around this is to beat the bots at their own game and that is to flood the game with those items to meet the demand of the players
but do it so the drops are way higher in the missions and the gold drop rate so it becomes part of the mission and can not be done by a solo bot
Also to drop the amount needed for FOW armour of shards and ecto so there is less demand
Remove Black dye drops from Ascalon pre-searing so scammers will stop spamming new players with WTB black dye I dont like the idea of a new player coming in and finding out he/she was scammed
Some items in the game dont make you a better player just greedy for something you want and not many have. When this type of though pattern is dealt with by changing it so items become easily obtainable through game play then some people will realise others have just the same gear but they are better because of skill and team play nothing more than that
No quick fix, just the time it takes to learn to play the game with skill and effort

Fourhundred Meters · Aug 04, 2005, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by snipes

With the massive costs of Ectoplasma and Shards i feel like buying some Gold on ebay to get my FoW armor. Though i would have to spend about 500 dollors im sure.

I thought the point of fissure armor was to show how much time and effort you put into your character. When I get mine it'll be because i've been dedicated to it. What are you going to say when somebody asks you how long it took you to get your fissure armor? 3 minutes? or are you just going to lie? i mean you already bought gold........

trelloskilos · Aug 04, 2005, 09:07 AM // 09:07

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Originally Posted by Die_trying_inc

Agreed.

But again I go back to my point. I don't have the amount of time required to farm even if i was able to farm for 2 hours a day, I would NOT "have fun and enjoy [this] game", I'd rather cut to the heart of this game= PvP and be able to compete there. That is my idea of fun. I don't care if I can beat a dragon or a wolf, I'd rather be able to beat you, your friend, brother or whoever else wants to fight me, I'd rather it not take months to get to the point where I am able to compete.

The drop rates on "godly items" are going to go down whether there's bots or not. and by making things harder to find that makes them worth more gold. Supply and Demand. Look it up.

Whether in PvE or PvP, your argument is a bit redundant. The influx of gold will be felt across the board, especially if several people buy the bot. The economy gets Nerfed, everyone gets p**sed cos their efforts of saving for hours results in very very little buying power, and all so you can go into combat with gear and upgrades that you didn't earn and don't deserve.

Bear in mind that in PvP, it's supposed to be a strategy game too. You may play several people who have the bog-standard equipment and skills, and you can still get beaten even with your 15k armour, runes of Superior Vigor and every skill unlocked. Why? Because they know how to play the game!

In other words, if you want to fight other players, whether or not you've got the time, have the decency of accepting that you will lose NOT because your equipment isn't good enough BUT because you aren't putting in the time or effort to practice and perfect your PvP game. - There simply isn't any excuse for using bots for a quick money fix!

Diarrhea · Aug 04, 2005, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Everyone knows that they would ebay for addicting games like guild wars if they had the extra cash and need something relaly bad.. i know i would if i was richer.. i got guild wars for birthday and that was it lol

Angelina · Aug 04, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

You get your fissure armor when you buyed shards/ectos for 3k or maybe less each.
With all the nerfs, the problem is some people get an insame amount of money/items from "old farm" and you just can't be competitive.
Old fissure armor price : ~500k , maybe less
Actual price : ~1,500 billion , maybe more
Some players are very rich, by farming before all the nerfs, now if you want to be as rich as them, not to show off, but to buy "decent" weapons, armors (fissure...), you can :
1) Farming uw (you need favor, less drops anyway than before patchs, will be nerfed)
2) Buying gold from ebay
3) Know some devs and be advertised from skyrocket prices, tu buy and resell.

Farming uw is very slow, you *may* get some very good weapon, sometime 1 or 2 ectos by run. Ah thats sure, old farmers used to get more ectos than you.
Farming fresh golems, etc etc..

There are 3, well 4 kind of gw players :
- Old days farmers (rich)
- "After nerfs" players (poor...)
- Ebay users
- pvp players

The economy is totally unfair and unbalanced.
Look at the ecto prices : I've seen some players with fissure armor spamming TOA : "Don't sell ectos for less than xx"
"WTB ectos for [actual price + 5k]" (fakes offers to boost the prices)

When I ask them, they say "To keep prices high, to avoid players getting fissure armor". Of course they buyed their armor for ~400k, that's a good deal for them.

Anet should remove all nerfs of reset all accounts IMO. It's too much unbalanced to make me call this game "FUN" anymore.

Die_trying_inc · Aug 04, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by trelloskilos

Whether in PvE or PvP, your argument is a bit redundant. The influx of gold will be felt across the board, especially if several people buy the bot. The economy gets Nerfed, everyone gets p**sed cos their efforts of saving for hours results in very very little buying power, and all so you can go into combat with gear and upgrades that you didn't earn and don't deserve.

Bear in mind that in PvP, it's supposed to be a strategy game too. You may play several people who have the bog-standard equipment and skills, and you can still get beaten even with your 15k armour, runes of Superior Vigor and every skill unlocked. Why? Because they know how to play the game!

In other words, if you want to fight other players, whether or not you've got the time, have the decency of accepting that you will lose NOT because your equipment isn't good enough BUT because you aren't putting in the time or effort to practice and perfect your PvP game. - There simply isn't any excuse for using bots for a quick money fix!

I agree and sympathize; keep in mind I've never bought Guildwars gold, or plan to; nor even had a chance to pvp yet.

I guess what I'm basically itching at is kind of cheesy. I'm not buying the gold, I'm paying somene for their time to collect it =/. I know that's the response from all the ebay sites but it just sound right for my particular situation.

Dax · Aug 04, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

The whole "I don't have the time to farm so it's unfair" justification is a very poor excuse for buying gold. Aside from the fact that you don't need expensive armor to PvP, the game was supposed to be designed around strategy and skills. They've gone through great lengths to make the game casual friendly.

Yea there will always be someone that can spend more time playing, and yes they have the advantage, but that is not unfair. I mean if you need help join a guild and have them help you get the things you need, atleast keep it in the game. To pay someone for thier 'time' thats doing it by botting and messing up the game is just lame.

Fatalis · Aug 04, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

if you spend real money for fake game money/itmes/etc you really need to take a step back and reevaluate your life.. basicly what im saying is no, fake money is not worth real money...

Listen to the man with references to Naruto both in his name and avatar. *g*

BigTru · Aug 04, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

It takes atleast 1 hour to make a consistant 10k. How long does it take you to make dollars?

Diarrhea · Aug 05, 2005, 05:47 AM // 05:47

dude if u had alot of money in real life, and u like guild wars (which u prolly do) and ur parents/guardians/ -if u have, gives u permission, u know u would buy gold off ebay...everyone would like i said I would ..but im just too poor.

fubar121 · Aug 05, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

OK So i asked GW support about the selling of gold and stuff on ebay and heres what the sent me back.

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Hello Jay,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support team in regards to you question about selling ingame gold or items for real money. Please take notice of the Rules Of Conduct Paragraph 11:

11. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling items for cash or trading items from one server to another.

This specifically states that you may not buy or sell items for cash. If you encounter any players who appear to violate our guidelines, please note the details of the situations and use our online help tool at http://support.guildwars.com to send us a message with that information.

Examples of important details are the name of the character, the time of the incident, where the incident occurred, a description of an offending action, websites being used, and any other details that you feel are relevant.

We will use the information you provide to investigate whether a violation of the rules has occurred. If we do find any rules to be broken, you will not hear of any rulings related to the incident and the account(s) involved, as all information related to the discovery and disciplining of an account will only be discussed between the violator and customer support.

Thank you for your support of Guild Wars, and for your assistance in keeping the game world a pleasant place for all players.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

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So i think its illegal

Dax · Aug 05, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I think it's against thier EULA but not illegal.

fubar121 · Aug 05, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

ya sorry.

Zaklex · Aug 05, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42

It's against the EULA and a form letter is on file with Ebay informing them that any auctions relating to NCSoft intellectual property(of which GW is a part of) must be shut down at the earliest possible convenience. How does this happen, well, everytime an auction item is listed and the auction number is sent into Ebay by NCSoft/A.net people, Ebay investigates and if it matches the letter then the auction is shut down. At one time there were 10's of thousands of items on Ebay for GW, now it's down to 1301 or so, what does that tell you.

It was even posted on the GW website, it's not a secret to anyone, unless you live under a rock.

Chev of Hardass · Aug 05, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

it's not a secret to anyone, unless you live under a rock.

Damn, did you have to point me out? ROF