Curse

Da Cebuano · Sep 05, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Gee, dont people get the concept of "Its my game I play how I want to play and how I waste my time" anymore? -_- it seems that everybody seems to be pushing their "feelings" to everybody.

The whole point for me to start a new char is so that he can do what my other char can't do at things only a max character can. I couldn't go to UW solo w/ a warrior, so I created a monk which I"m not about to spend a week playing the game doing the same things I've already done. Not everyone is so willing to spend so much time as you do.

Sanji · Sep 05, 2005, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Saba The Hobo

Whee, level 3's in Ember Light.

I'll pass...

Those level 3's would at least be somebody who beat Thunderhead Keep on another character.

While not explicitly hard, Thunderhead Keep provides a decent barrier to the Ring of Fire missions, due to the fact that it seems to drag on so long (giving plenty of time for someone to drop or making a party wipe-worthy blunder) and it's less forgiving to terrible PuGs.

Obviously, if something were to ever be implimented, it certainly wouldn't be so easy as my idle musing on a message board. I also still think it would be a good idea. It's much better to play with people who want to be there instead of those who have to be there because it's in their way.

NatalieD · Sep 07, 2005, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Well, if you've never actually played the PvE the way it's supposed to - how would you know if it sucks?

There is, in fact, a difference between "never played PVE at all" and "got sick of it before finishing all of the missions".

neoteo · Sep 07, 2005, 08:32 AM // 08:32

i dont like henchs , but i understand they are usefull , mainly when outposts are empty ...

i would remove the henchs from the game , so it would be much harder , but we have the new areas that are henchs free , so im happy with that ...

Gustav Gloomp · Sep 07, 2005, 08:34 AM // 08:34

new areas as in sorrows furnace and grenth footprints? if so then WOOHOO NO MORE HENCHIES.

varyag · Sep 07, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Omg! Omg! Look at him he is skipping the game! He is refusing to repeat it for the third time. Someone ban him! Someone make him redo the missions!

Omg! Look at all these people playing GuildWars the way they want to! This is Totaly Unacceptable! Everyone should be playing the game the way I play it!

OMHB! I have noone to repeat the mission with for the fifth time!?! Someone PLAY with me! I have no guild to play this mission with. I feel so rejected and lonely. HUG ATTACK!

I kindly request for you to agree. Please agree with me. You should agree. Agree now. AGREE OR I BAN YOU!

/sarcasm

neoteo · Sep 07, 2005, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Gustav Gloomp

new areas as in sorrows furnace and grenth footprints? if so then WOOHOO NO MORE HENCHIES.

yes plus Fiss and Uw that are already henchs free

Numa Pompilius · Sep 07, 2005, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by varyag

Omg! Omg! Look at him he is skipping the game! He is refusing to repeat it for the third time. Someone ban him! Someone make him redo the missions!

You shouldn' have put </sarcasm> there, you should've put </completely misses the point ONCE AGAIN>.

Noones said that you shouldn't be able to run your second -> infinity character. Many, myself included, say that one shouldn't be able to run ones FIRST character, or, at the very least <*snip* .. read my warning post below. Aria>

I really want to repeat this, as it seems a really difficult concept to grasp: noone cares if you run your second, third, fourth, fifth... character. Honestly.

neoteo · Sep 07, 2005, 09:34 AM // 09:34

talking about running , i start learning to run just for fun in the desert , i sometimes take people for free where they want , its nice , the desert is easy , big places to run ...

and since im a E/W i have sprint , that actualy its the only warrior skill i use most of the time.

Aria · Sep 07, 2005, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Excuse me -- we interrupt your regularly scheduled showings for this special service announcement:

Double posting is becoming rampant and multiple instances of "STFU" are being hurled about like rocks. Please don't.

If you can't post something without resorting to "STFU," please do not post it at all until it is possible to contribute without degenerating to near-flames.

Thank you.

Numa Pompilius · Sep 07, 2005, 10:29 AM // 10:29

That wasn't in fact double posting (which is posting identical messages, isn't it?) but three different replies to three different posts, only one of which contained the offensive acronym - and you deleted the two which DIDN'T contain the offensive acronym or were near-flames.

trelloskilos · Sep 07, 2005, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I'll concur, rushing your first character through PvE is a shame and a waste. There's no point, plus you don't get to grips with the game adequately enough. You don't discover the world, find out all those little places where there's some good stuff, and basically all you're doing is throwing the money you paid for the game down the toilet.

However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with players being run through PvE a 2nd time with new characters. I would suggest though, that they do play the game properly up to Beacon's, get run to Droks, then do all the missions up to (And including) Dragon's lair.

This is what I did with my 2nd character. I don't see the point in getting run to anywhere else (Including LA - Sanctum Cay), as a good player with henchies can get there by themselves anyway. Beacon's - Droknars on the other hand is different.

The thing with people rushing the game is that they want to do it for different reasons. Some want to pwn in Ascalon & Yak's PvE and have better armour & elites (Quite sad really if you ask me). Some want to develop a 2nd character for farming (This was my intention, cos farming with my ranger sucks!), some want to open skills for PvP, and can do this quicker with a new char and some money rather than the faction points, and some just want the map as open as possible so that they have full control over where they can go at their own leisure. - With the exception of the people who want to tip the balance in the early arenas, I can't see a problem with any reason why someone should want to rush the game with a 2nd character, but I don't slag off or criticise people who choose to play the game in any way they want either, as long as it doesn't affect other players having fun, it's fine by me.

coolsti · Sep 07, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by neoteo

i dont like henchs , but i understand they are usefull , mainly when outposts are empty ...

i would remove the henchs from the game , so it would be much harder , but we have the new areas that are henchs free , so im happy with that ...

No, please, hope they never remove henchies. They are sorely needed! There are a lot of good human players out there, but there are a lot of bad ones as well, and playing with henchies only or mixing a few in the group is a great way to avoid a lot of hassles now and then.

This may be off topic but I want to say it. Henchies don't suddenly go afk or leave during a mission because dinner is ready. This happens to me all too often, and I am utterly astounded each time. What are people thinking when they join a mission or quest?

I have only been to FOW a few times, and not really to UW, but I guess these are two areas of the game that I just won't bother exploring. And the reason is because you can't take henchies. From my brief experience at the temple trying to get into a group, and from my other experiences with human groups of 8, there is simply too great a chance of getting in a group with one or more who don't know how to play as a team or who get ticked off and leave.

LifeInfusion · Sep 07, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

I played through all the missions for each of my 3 characters.
I think that if you do not experience the roles that your character fills, you will be severely lacking in the PvP department.

chakra · Sep 07, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

(Well, i sympathize with role-players as they feel that they are forsaken by A.net with the changes made only applying to PVP, so they resort to ridiculing those who dont pve with them the way they would like to. hope sorrows furnace will appaise u)

I must confess that i am of those u soo rightly put it " skip chatpers of the book to get to the end". i made 6lvl 20 and i have never done the mission between ascalon and sanctum cay more than twice and only finished the last mission once. The reason for that is that i am not interested in doing something over and over again. Doing something once or twice is fun but more is just like grinding which i thought this game's philosophy was against.
Then why 6 char u may ask, the answer is simply skill points. i had realised that it was far easier to create a char then lvl it to 20 then use it skill points and deletle than having to constantly grind to get the nxt skill point on the old character. This is also why most simply run.

There is also the problem of most PUG being by far worse than the lengedary henchies. So most players have realised that they better take henchies than wait 30min for a pug then achieve nothing. This is also why it feels so empty.

One last point which has nothing to do with this :
This games isnt an MMorpg where u spent hours grinding and role playing, and i completly disagree with the politically correct statement that this game is "50%pve 50% pvp and they are interdependant". This isnt the case, this games mostly caters for pvp, the pve side is only the training ground where u get to learn about your char and capture skills. Running throu the game, getting to max lvl easily, getting skills easily with faction and skill points ... all of that which makes the game very accessible and easy to finish are an intent so that one may start to PVP quickly.

To conclude, making a post everyday about how a.net should stop low lvl people getting ran or that they should make some kind of barrier prevneting low lvl char from accesing high end content isnt the purpose of this game. if u which to take your time lvling then why do u complain some have it the easy way

NatalieD · Sep 07, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by trelloskilos

I'll concur, rushing your first character through PvE is a shame and a waste. There's no point

The point is that I can unlock skills with less work. This is a good thing. I do more than enough work at my job; I don't feel the need to do more work for a game.

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plus you don't get to grips with the game adequately enough. You don't discover the world, find out all those little places where there's some good stuff,

Why should I or anyone else care if I "discover the world" or not? Some people like exploring, and I'm glad they're enjoying themselves. I don't like it. It's not like having less of my world map filled out is going to affect my PVP game. I can look up what all the skills do and go get any that I want to try.

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and basically all you're doing is throwing the money you paid for the game down the toilet.

I find the PVP game to be quite satisfactory for the money I paid. I don't see how spending my time doing something I don't enjoy would make the cost more worthwhile.