Curse

Sanji · Aug 19, 2005, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Fantus

It is and as I said I don't mind people playing this mission that way. I just don't want to be any part of it. Some people forming groups there just automatically assume that the infusion part is going to be rushed and start running as soon as the mission starts. My only point was that this should be agreed on BEFORE starting the mission, that's all.

I agree, and that's why I think the mission/infusion is pretty terrible. My major problem is Iron Mines is set up in a way that it's difficult to come to an understanding of HOW you're going to do it since you have two routes and Mursaat are a pretty painful one.

RTSFirebat · Aug 19, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Sanji

I agree, and that's why I think the mission/infusion is pretty terrible. My major problem is Iron Mines is set up in a way that it's difficult to come to an understanding of HOW you're going to do it since you have two routes and Mursaat are a pretty painful one.

Why would you take the Mursaat route if you were not infused? That why there is two routes, and since all the mobs are easy with of timework I fail to see why it worth running..

All you see ingame anymore is people wanting to rush to everywhere, you can't tell me they are all existing players.

Sanji · Aug 19, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Why would you take the Mursaat route if you were not infused? That why there is two routes, and since all the mobs are easy with of timework I fail to see why it worth running..

I mentioned Mursaat because even in a "Markis Party", people will run the Infusion Route.

Anyhow, I don't like doing the Mursaat route even if infused since Markis is three easy Monster groups away unless, the exception being if you or your party needs to unlock skills. You shouldn't assume that just because you enjoy slogging your way through the mission that it's the only way to enjoy it and anything else means you are lazy or weak.

It's perfectly fine for people to have their own priorities, and to scorn certain methods of play. You don't want runners in your party because you think they're lazy, that's fine. They probably don't want you in their party because you're inefficient.

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

All you see ingame anymore is people wanting to rush to everywhere, you can't tell me they are all existing players.

Why does it bother you to the point that you have to come into this thread with insults regarding how they choose to enjoy themselves?

In my estimation, there's two basic types of players that do that and both have their reasons, agree with them or not.

People who are playing through the game again as a different Profession combo because that's currently the quickest and easiest way to get skills.

The second being the various casual players who might not be playing their third time through for skill points, but still ride the Guild Wars express.

Calimar · Aug 19, 2005, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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"All you see ingame anymore is people wanting to rush to everywhere, you can't tell me they are all existing players."

?! And pray tell, what are they? Botters? blah.
I do "rush" whenever I can - I've been through the whole game twice and I'm tired of doing everything over and over. Or better: I like it a lot, but I do want to progress through it with all the chars to have access to more skills armors drops runes and stuff for my pvp. yet-another-good-thing about GW is that I can go back and redo missions if I want to.

Agree on the "runs must be agreed upon at start" part. I usually SAY it right away. I had a discussion with a guy yesterday who told me he wanted to do nolani's coop and extra. I told him I didn't want to do the extra, because I'd use the xp after ascension (I'm always always always low on skill points). He started insulting and calling me n00b (which is kind of funny in an italian conversation) - so entered my shiny new ignore list. But... I was just stating beforehand what I wanted. Is it THAT hard to say "ok, no thanks I'm not interested", or "ok we'll go without you"?!

RTSFirebat · Aug 19, 2005, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Sanji

The second being the various casual players who might not be playing their third time through for skill points, but still ride the Guild Wars express.

I am a casual player, only 2 hours a day if I'm lucky, not my issue that people feel the need to rush the whole game as quickly as possible.

I'm free to impress my point, I do personally think most runners are lazy, if I started to find a game boring I'd quit... just my take on it.

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Originally Posted by Calimar

And pray tell, what are they? Botters? blah.
I do "rush" whenever I can - I've been through the whole game twice and I'm tired of doing everything over and over. Or better: I like it a lot, but I do want to progress through it with all the chars to have access to more skills armors drops runes and stuff for my pvp. yet-another-good-thing about GW is that I can go back and redo missions if I want to.

Each to their own, I blame the fact the game is linear, leaving you no choice but to play the game over and over again using the same route.

Puddin Tame · Aug 19, 2005, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Hey, I found a gold max fellblade from a tundra giant well fighting my way to infuse my grotto armour with henchmen.
And I have never ran through a mission or high level area since.

Calimar · Aug 19, 2005, 10:12 AM // 10:12

uhm yeah, and one I know has found 2 (yes TWO and I was THERE, and it SUCKED!) supreme air magic runes in a row felling the healer mounted dwarf boss (forgot how he's called). That doesn't mean it's worth my time to kill everything when I'm just going to unlock the next area... when I'm looking for something, I fight, when I'm going somewhere, I avoid everything I can

Sanji · Aug 19, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I'm free to impress my point

I didn't question your right to have your opinion, I just questioned it's validity.

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I do personally think most runners are lazy, if I started to find a game boring I'd quit... just my take on it.

That's a common presumption, but it doesn't work like that. Playing through a portion of the game quickly and efficiently does not in any way mean the person is lazy or bored with the game, they are just out to accomplish something. If anything else, they probably are going about beating the game at a rather strict pace.

Just because someone is more focused on the end result than the means does not mean they revile the means or hate the game.

Schorny · Aug 19, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I do personally think most runners are lazy, if I started to find a game boring I'd quit...

I do personally think most people that do not explore every area, unlock every rune, skill and upgrade and don't know the whole map/missions in and out are lazy.

same as you said, just a bit more emphasized. think about it.

PS:
do you sometimes watch a movie more than once? If yes, are there parts you like to skip or find a bit boring? like for example the intro?

Why do you watch that movie again? (or read that book again,...) if you find it boring...

Red Sonya · Aug 19, 2005, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Running is ruining this game. Every mission I have grouped with players that's all they want to do, run it, get to the end as fast as possible and bypass everything they can to do it. I don't understand the rush to boredom myself. Once you run everything you are left with UW/FOW, woopitiditydoo. It's sad one has to resort to using henchies to SEE THE DAMN CONTENT OF THE GAME. People should respect that others may be on their first characters and don't wish to run or rush a mission, but, nobody asks and nobody cares. RUN RUN RUN, this is nothing more than RUN WARS. Rush to Droknars, Rush to Elite Skills Rush to Ascension, Rush to UW/FOW with your 105/55 monk builds, Rush Rush Rush, have some respect for people who are new to the game, most all you beta testers are the ruinage of most of this game because of your rushing attitudes. But, heh why do I even post, you don't give a damn anyway. lol Disrespectful youth of today. lol

Sanji · Aug 19, 2005, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Running is ruining this game.

It's not.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Every mission I have grouped with players that's all they want to do, run it, get to the end as fast as possible and bypass everything they can to do it.

I can see how that can be annoying, districts/chat spam makes it difficult and unwieldy to build groups for Missions. However, it's not game ruining. You have the capacity to build teams that doesn't want to rush through content. If not by being patient, you can befriend people in game and on the forums who have similiar interests.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I don't understand the rush to boredom myself. Once you run everything you are left with UW/FOW, woopitiditydoo.

There's this thing called PvP. Keep this under your hat, but I heard some people do that.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

It's sad one has to resort to using henchies to SEE THE DAMN CONTENT OF THE GAME.

There's nothing wrong with henchmen. They were better than your average Pick up Group even before running became a fad.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

People should respect that others may be on their first characters and don't wish to run or rush a mission, but, nobody asks and nobody cares. RUN RUN RUN, this is nothing more than RUN WARS. Rush to Droknars, Rush to Elite Skills Rush to Ascension, Rush to UW/FOW with your 105/55 monk builds, Rush Rush Rush, have some respect for people who are new to the game,

I agree that people who just want to rush through the game should stick to their own and be clear about their intentions. However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be clear about yours, as you obviously know how prevelent people who want to barrel through the game are.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

most all you beta testers are the ruinage of most of this game because of your rushing attitudes.

That's rather rude.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

But, heh why do I even post, you don't give a damn anyway. lol Disrespectful youth of today. lol

Where better to rant than in front of people who share similar interests but otherwise have no connection to you than a forum?

Whether they care or not isn't an issue.

Calimar · Aug 19, 2005, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I think red sonya was trying to be funny, Sanji...

anyway what I find intriguing is how many people keep telling others "if you don't play like I like to play, you're an idiot/noob/lazy/game-breaker/cheater"....

Bertold Brecht once said - one who says "I believe" you might be a saint, but one who says "you have to believe" is a nazi. Not calling anyone a nazi (far from me) but food for thought...

Red Sonya · Aug 19, 2005, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
most all you beta testers are the ruinage of most of this game because of your rushing attitudes.

That's rather rude.]

No it's not rude it's fact. Beta testers have seen the content, seen the game and above all else know most of the exploits, especially the rush to Droknars armor and where every elite skill and all skills for that matter are located. They are the very ones who put up websites like these with all the information redily at hand so other people can become like them and rush the content as well. They are the ebayers, they are the very people most dislike because they turn the game into a rush RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and know where to go to get the best loot drop, etc. etc. I don't think I need to post all of them. Beta testing should be closed to the public, only employees of the company allowed to beta test and then not be allowed to post websites giving away features of the game. We've all seen them time and time again for every mmorpg/mmo out there. The ruinage of the game is knowledge beforehand by beta testers, the advantage of knowing before release. They get all the advantages and lead to the ruinage of most of them. The economy in every game is messed up, I don't know of a one that isn't just because beta testers exploit everything they learned before everyone else and take advantage of the mass population and their gold when the game is released.

When someone finally releases a game where there haven't been any open beta testers, then you will find a game that will take that six months to a year to figure out, just like beta does for beta testers. When you can't post all the exploits and best loot spots and best solo spots on day one, they you will find a game that is balanced and fair for everyone for quite a long time. Everyone will start off equally and not 6 months to a year ahead of everyone else.

jdwoody · Aug 19, 2005, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I agree with the original poster, running in this mission is too much fun. Many good times running/racing/laughing at the dead/crying when the shadows knock down the last guy back when you had to run it 5 times...

When I got my 15k druid armor, I got lucky and hooked up with a party where pretty much everyone was getting their 15k armor infused and it was a very good time...

salja Wachi · Aug 19, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

sighs and do not forget not only do they only have to do it once, but the protection is less

all three of my charcaters had to do the 5 runs that means i did at least 30 infusion runs back in the day (10 runs for each character) 2 sets of armor lol.

these kids now a days have no idea how easy they have it now.

oh well

salja Wachi · Aug 19, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Running is ruining this game. Every mission I have grouped with players that's all they want to do, run it, get to the end as fast as possible and bypass everything they can to do it. I don't understand the rush to boredom myself. Once you run everything you are left with UW/FOW, woopitiditydoo. It's sad one has to resort to using henchies to SEE THE DAMN CONTENT OF THE GAME. People should respect that others may be on their first characters and don't wish to run or rush a mission, but, nobody asks and nobody cares. RUN RUN RUN, this is nothing more than RUN WARS. Rush to Droknars, Rush to Elite Skills Rush to Ascension, Rush to UW/FOW with your 105/55 monk builds, Rush Rush Rush, have some respect for people who are new to the game, most all you beta testers are the ruinage of most of this game because of your rushing attitudes. But, heh why do I even post, you don't give a damn anyway. lol Disrespectful youth of today. lol

Sighs obviously you were not here when we had to make 5 runs to infuse each piece of armor. i have a feeling ifyou had to do that mission 30 times you would have a different view.

but far be it from me to tell you not to try and tell others how to play. obviously you are a control freak and everyone must confrom to your idea of how to have fun or it ruins it for you (don't ask me how)

have a nice life trying to tell everyone how to have fun.

jdwoody · Aug 19, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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When someone finally releases a game where there haven't been any open beta testers, then you will find a game that will take that six months to a year to figure out, just like beta does for beta testers.

Instead I would say, "When someone finally releases a game where there haven't been any open beta testers, then you will find a game that will take that six months to a year" to be playable. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way they did the beta, in fact it was one of the better betas I've been in and the game has been relatively solid the whole time it's been out.

Running can be fun (especially this mission), but you don't have to run every mission or crawl every mission, you can change up. When I'm in the mood to hang out and chat I go to places like Port Sledge, it's out of the way and you can usually pick up a group to casually kill all the grawl around it, it's a fun place to enjoy the view. But when I'm helping someone get infused, it's get every running skill you have and get ready to race!

EF2NYD · Aug 19, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Going on an infuse run made me realize you can actually go under the bridge and NOT fight the Mursaat. Infusion runs were always fun.

MSecorsky · Aug 19, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

I like to follow a simple rule... don't leave a group alive that can attack you from behind if the next one stops you. Seen too many groups bite it that way.

pyrohex · Aug 19, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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No it's not rude it's fact. Beta testers have seen the content, seen the game and above all else know most of the exploits, especially the rush to Droknars armor and where every elite skill and all skills for that matter are located. They are the very ones who put up websites like these with all the information redily at hand so other people can become like them and rush the content as well. They are the ebayers, they are the very people most dislike because they turn the game into a rush RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and know where to go to get the best loot drop, etc. etc. I don't think I need to post all of them. Beta testing should be closed to the public, only employees of the company allowed to beta test and then not be allowed to post websites giving away features of the game. We've all seen them time and time again for every mmorpg/mmo out there. The ruinage of the game is knowledge beforehand by beta testers, the advantage of knowing before release. They get all the advantages and lead to the ruinage of most of them. The economy in every game is messed up, I don't know of a one that isn't just because beta testers exploit everything they learned before everyone else and take advantage of the mass population and their gold when the game is released.

When someone finally releases a game where there haven't been any open beta testers, then you will find a game that will take that six months to a year to figure out, just like beta does for beta testers. When you can't post all the exploits and best loot spots and best solo spots on day one, they you will find a game that is balanced and fair for everyone for quite a long time. Everyone will start off equally and not 6 months to a year ahead of everyone else.

If ANet wanted to fight that, they could shift monster and bosses around from place to place, just to screw with the oldbies 'ruining' the game. I'm sure ANet is pleased to know that its game has generated fans who have stuffed their brains with useless information.

You want people to respect the fact that you are new to the game: sure. But only as long as you respect that fact that many others are not new to the game and have different objectives.