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Mormegil · Oct 10, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

With Esoteric Warriors firmly holding the pole position, The Valandor 2nd (or
3rd, recently surpassed by ZPZG) and a good number of Eu guilds in the top 50, we can say the trend of US and Kr dominating is slowly changing.
I'm guessing Rus Corp, at number 4, has a majority of european players, even though they play on the american servers.

While the "quantity" still gives a great advantage to US (holding the HoH for long periods of time), the "quality" of guilds is on par, if not, recently at least, superior. Language districts problem persists and is as bad as ever (it's still very hard to form PuG for anything), but it's becoming a matter of sheer numbers, rather than good players. Since my old, sarcastic thread (Europe: losers' land) which has been recently resurrected, things changed a lot, and even in the ToPK european Pugs can put up some fair matches and hold the HoH for a reasonable amount of time.

I'm wondering if the situation's gonna last or it's just a "new ladder phenomenon" soon to be gone. Let me know what you guys think.

P.S.: this is kind of an off-topic, but I'm glad old and famous guilds like iQ and Nu came back from a period of gvg inactivity (relatively short for Nu, incredibly long for Idiot Savants) and took their places right in the first page. Since the new ladder started, competition seems richer.

Zeru · Oct 10, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

I think it's partially due to wierd playing times. Val and EW obviously know what they're doing but I don't think they've played enough of the good teams either.

The ladder is really instable at the moment. Wait a month and things will begin to look clearer as everyone in the top 20 starts playing each other more and we see who is top and who is not. Treacherous Empire and Korea Friendly aren't viewed as 'top guilds' usually but trust me they'll be there.

Shanaeri Rynale · Oct 10, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Did'nt EW move to the US???

thefox · Oct 10, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

EW is european guild with a german leader.
Rus Corp is marked 'Am' only by some Anet mistake (got sick of that...)

Eonwe · Oct 10, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

P.S.: this is kind of an off-topic, but I'm glad old and famous guilds like iQ and Nu came back from a period of gvg inactivity (relatively short for Nu, incredibly long for Idiot Savants) and took their places right in the first page. Since the new ladder started, competition seems richer.

Well... yea, since there's actually a reason to gvg now, as opposed to before.

crimsonfilms · Oct 10, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

What build is EW using? Anyone know?
Probably a balanced build, but would like to know the particulars....

thx

Linkie · Oct 11, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

EW seems pretty decent, I haven't played them, but from what I hear they play pretty good.
The Valandor are pretty good, but I think they'll drop a bit as they meet better guilds more unless they make some changes to their build.
I sense Rus Corp will drop quite a lot as they start meeting better teams. They run a ward camping build, which I feel will lose more and more as better teams get used to playing it. Given, I haven't seen them playing anything else, so I'm unsure of their profiency with other builds.

thefox · Oct 11, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by Linkie

The Valandor are pretty good, but I think they'll drop a bit as they meet better guilds more unless they make some changes to their build.
I sense Rus Corp will drop quite a lot as they start meeting better teams.

Hmm... just curious. About what mysterious "new better teams" are you talking about? Are they hiding somewhere equipped with their uber and _tested_ (lol) builds?

Seiko · Oct 11, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I met entire top of the guild of ladder, and through the skill of game they are located approximately in this order:
1. Union Team (really good players. plays various builds)
2. Esoteric Warriors (good monks and good build)
3. ZPZG (same build as Union team, but low expirience)
4. Valandor (good build, but only for beginning. weak monks)
....

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 11, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

fail to see how 2 eu guilds in the top 10 is 'dominating'...

Sister Rosette · Oct 11, 2005, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Personally I'm glad Europe is owning the ladder. It's nice to see players
take control who might actually put some thought into their builds and
skills instead of 'NEED IWAY.'

I think the real reason everyone hates the Eu and Ko players is when we
have the Favor, they get off their butts and take it back. When they have
favor, everyone just sits in ToA and chat bashes Eu/Ko.

If my friends weren't all on the US server I would have switched a long time
ago.

-z|o- · Oct 11, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

What build is EW using? Anyone know?
Probably a balanced build, but would like to know the particulars....
thx

Word on the street is that they run 2 wars with cunning spike, dom mes spiker with shatter, and spike ele with shatter as well. Didnt play them yet but from what i heard they manage insta drop targets consistently.

Mormegil · Oct 11, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

fail to see how 2 eu guilds in the top 10 is 'dominating'...

They're more than 2 (RUS is european, just playing on the US server), they're at rank 1, 3 and 5 and between EW (no.1) and ZPZG (famous for farming out their rank) there's a gap of 124 pts.

Maybe the situation will change as I specified in my first post, but yes, a gap of 124 pts means someone is temporarily dominating the ladder. It's not like EW is out reach but still, they're doing pretty good and have a fantastic w/l ratio.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 11, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

if you add up points and count rus as europe, eu is still over 1000 pts behind overall in the top 10. not taking anything away from the top team, or any top team, just saying 'dominating' is pushing it.

also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region.

i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion...

Mormegil · Oct 11, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion...

Yes. I'm sure you can beat EW or Val easily with both your hands tied.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 11, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

Yes. I'm sure you can beat EW or Val easily with both your hands tied.

im sure also. if you ask them they will tell you, that is if the mention of my name does not make them cringe in fear...
/sarcasm
we're not scared of any guild. and even if we lost i would still be honored to participate.

thefox · Oct 12, 2005, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region.

No idea why Anet considers Rus corp as American guild. Rus corp has hardly 10% on American server. It's Anet mistake which have been for 2 weeks already.

splash_79 · Oct 12, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

if you add up points and count rus as europe, eu is still over 1000 pts behind overall in the top 10. not taking anything away from the top team, or any top team, just saying 'dominating' is pushing it.

also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region.

i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion...

1st Esoteric Warriors EW Eu 1655 80 2

47th Over Powered OP Am 1242 56 23

I'm sure you would....

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 12, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

what are you trying to say? we are in the top .5% of all players, are you? anytime you want an unrated gvg lemme know. maybe you can get EW to give you one also then you can come back to the forums and tell everybody who the better team was.

splash_79 · Oct 12, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

The point is not wether I am a crap player in a crap guild or not. I'm quite sure I am.

But since I am not the one posting abject nonsense, and since I am not the one being deluded enough to think I am in a 'top guild' the burden of proof hardly lies with me. I sincerely do not see what's so great about your rating. If you fail to see the difference between winning 80 out of 82 matches and winning 56 out of 79 you might want to consider taking a basic course in math. Regardless, good luck in the championship!