Curse

Deathlord · Sep 25, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I tend to only look for people who run for free, since you know they aren't out for your money. I still end up donating 1 - 2 plat anyway, but I think i need to stop now cause I've gone broken on keys and 15k armoring my chars. I have alot of respect for good runners, since it takes skill and patiences to do it. However, I'm not sure if people that run with the runner are purposely trying to distract them. Sometimes I run with them just to see a bit of the map and if theres anything there worth looking for (Collectors/odd npcs), yet I have no intention of failing them on purpose by running next to them.

Dax · Sep 26, 2005, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by KaPe

Well, I certainly have no respect for runners. Sorry, that's how I am. Sure you can claim that you got bored with your 69th character and just want to get good stuff faster - but I still don't like people who do it, both runners and those who pay for it.
Bet I'm not the only one.

I'm with ya buddy...worst gameplay desision ever.

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

And it effects you HOW in game? Why do you dislike something that has no bearing on your game enjoyment?

I've used runner in the past - you can't get a PUG together at Elona Reach anymore, it's all runners now. You can spam "monk lfg" all you want, but chances are, you're alone. After enduring dozens of missions like elona's reach with PUBs and having to do them over and over and over and over because PUGs SUCK at that mission - I'll gladly hand over 1K and get it over with. And I've finished the game with six diff characters/professions.

Get off your high horse.

I don't think someone is on thier high horse just because they have a point of view, that's sorta the pot calling the kettle black. If you disagree that's cool, but I think there's alot of people who don't like it.

It affects my game because it is community based. I don't want to have to see people spamming for running, and I don't want to feel like I have to run to get uber armor like it's expected. I think it breeds scamming, and people doing things they shouldn't. That's my opinion since Anet, in thier infinite wisdom, made it possible to do.

generik · Sep 26, 2005, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Dax

I'm with ya buddy...worst gameplay desision ever.

I don't think someone is on thier high horse just because they have a point of view, that's sorta the pot calling the kettle black. If you disagree that's cool, but I think there's alot of people who don't like it.

It affects my game because it is community based. I don't want to have to see people spamming for running, and I don't want to feel like I have to run to get uber armor like it's expected. I think it breeds scamming, and people doing things they shouldn't. That's my opinion since Anet, in thier infinite wisdom, made it possible to do.

.. and here you are commenting with such sarcasm at Anet's decision.

Tell me again when you produce something that will sell a million copies.. oh wait, I doubt you have a million dollars even.

It is your opinion.

Your opinion doesn't affect me in anyway.

However we all prefer you keep your opinion to yourself

Katari · Sep 26, 2005, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

w/o runners you would be playing the game for 2-3 weeks with any other class than monks to get through majority of the game. that's a good time too not to mention all the stupid people you get in parties arggoing mursaat at ice caves.

i use runners b/c i can take a newly made character from lvl 1 to 20 in 1 day and be at the end of the game with him. if i had to spend nearly a month on each one then i would have shot myself a long time ago as the headache of doing it the first time was enough.

Sorry bud. Playing through the game with a W/Mo does NOT mean you know how to play a E/Me. Having your E/Me run will NOT teach you how to play it.

So you got to level 20 in one day. Good for you. Thats yet another level 20 I do not want to play with.

If its too much of a headache to play the game, wtf. Why are you still here? If the game is too difficult without Drok's Armor, then go back to playing Doom with Godmode on.

Sorry for the hostility, but the mood of MMORPGs these days is starting to wear on me. In single player RPGs if you can't get past a point, you wait to get stronger, or are forced to try a differnt approch. In MMORPGs? OOOoh no. Just get rushed/leeched/run past it. Don't worry! You'll do just fine once you get past it.

ARRGH.

On another note. Spaming for runs belongs in the trade channel. Its a service. You ARE selling something (Or buying, whatever) Put it where it belongs. Leave the people who actualy play the game alone. That goes for all you people spaming trades in local chat too. The whole spaming part is where half of my comtempt for runners comes from.

zehly · Sep 26, 2005, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by octaviancmb

Why should I respect someone who takes complete losers and skill-less newbs into areas they should never, ever be? Seriously, if you need to be *run* to the War Camp, you just should not be there...at all.

That said, runners often provide valuable services to those of us who have played through the game 4-5 times. Who wouldn't have themselves run to Droknars to avoid buying all those intermediate armor sets? If you've got no interest in unlocking all those random regular skills, who wouldn't rather just skip a huge portion of the game and be run to Sanctum? Skilled players obviously want to speed up their game.

But I suspect skilled players are the exception rather than the rule; I've seen how horrible most players are in the later missions, the UW, and the FoW. They've obviously been run almost everywhere. They haven't learned how to play the game as they've progressed through it. I blame the runners trying to make a quick buck for the overwhelming surge of clueless players that are a blight on our collective gaming experience.

Respect? Nay. Contempt? Yes, and (quite rarely) a few coins here and there.

cmb

Troll much?

Obviously if you don't see the value in the services runners provide, then you haven't been playing enough. Running is a double-edged sword. It's the way that experienced players get around = good. The way that poor newbies get around = bad. So it's a quick fix to a bigger problem.

Veripare · Sep 26, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

I know one thing, and its that Anet hates runners.

I used to be able to run all the way to the granite cidadel without dying, and now I'm barely making it past the first stage from the Ice Caves.

BTW, I'm a Monk/Warrior.

Savio · Sep 26, 2005, 03:04 AM // 03:04

My problem with runners lies not in the fact that they rush characters, but that:

1. There's a huge potential for scamming on both sides, runner and runnee.
-Being run to Droknar's the other day, the typical runnee claimed he was AFK or whatever. Thankfully Grenth's Footprint allowed us to warp again and the guy paid.
-In addition, there are terrible runners and scammers. The run to Droknar's does take some skill, it is not a cakewalk.

2. New/first-time players are being told to go to Droknar's.
-I had a nice chat with someone in Beacon's Perch. He was lvl 13 and was told that the best armor was in Droknar's. He had only enough money to pay for the run, not the armor. New players should not be sent to Droknar's only to beg for money and materials. Making it to Droknar's the "normal" way usually garners you most if not all of the money necessary.

3. Ascalon/Yak's Bend armor and skills abuse.
This has already been covered in numerous other threads and I won't go into it here.

Anet included running as a legitimate option. It's not a necessary option, though. The first time through the game I did every single quest, every single mission without a runner. With other characters, the only run I'll have is for Droknar's armor. I'll still have to go around and do most quests and missions, unless I want to spend an obscene amount of gold buying all the skills from Ember Light Camp.

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 26, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

The Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge runners don't offend me at all, but most, you have to admit, are quite amusing. Why? Because most of the runners aren't very good. You enter the group just for the priviledge of watching someone run around like a lost rodent getting his ass kicked from every direction ....
.... then, after respawning, saying, "Let's start again. I need to get rid of some DP."
I don't have the heart to tell them my mesmer would probably run better even if she were butt nekkid. So I just say, "thx for trying but - gtg now."

Dax · Sep 26, 2005, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by generik

.. and here you are commenting with such sarcasm at Anet's decision.

Tell me again when you produce something that will sell a million copies.. oh wait, I doubt you have a million dollars even.

It is your opinion.

Your opinion doesn't affect me in anyway.

However we all prefer you keep your opinion to yourself

Wow, funny I thought that this was a public forum...here's thought if you don't like my opinion... tough.

Anyhow yes, I love sarcasm. I think it was a idiotic decision to allow people to use this exploit. Evidently there are a few people that disagree, but thanks note encouragement. I think there are a few that do. I'm not sure what exactly me being a millionaire or not has to do with it, but I'm sure you had a point somewhere.

...oh and from a person who enjoys sarcasm, you need to work on yours.
I think your defensiveness ruins it. While you say it doesn't affect you, evidently it did enough for you to take the time to comment on it.

-Have a nice day

fergburger · Sep 26, 2005, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by octaviancmb

Seriously, if you need to be *run* to the War Camp, you just should not be there...at all.

Maybe so, but not all of us wanna farm all damn day to make gold. If people want ran, and I'm able - I'll run them. Supply and demand. More fun than farming anyways IMO.

Eskimo Bob · Sep 26, 2005, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Today I was doing some smaller scale runs. While I was doing a run to Deldrimor Warcamp the first thing everyone did was run with me. This is obviously the dumbest thing you can do to a runner becuase the runner is:

1. Is destracted and is consentrating on what the other people are doing.

Only a crap runner gets distracted by them.

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2. Monsters in large groups target various people. Either you use the Balanced stance and you don't get knocked down and waste it or use it and have the chance of nothing actually hitting you.

What is the difference here? If they didn't follow you, you would have to use balanced stance anyways.

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3. Aggrofest. Most people don't know how to use their aggro circle or properly dodge into tight areas to let the enemy pass. While you hide out and heal/recharge skill Iheal U For Free or whomever is luring two mobs at you becuase he just CANT add that extra 1 to his /death counter.

This is the only reasonable comment from you so far. Even then, most people die from the first few mobs.

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4. Bodyblock. You don't know how annoying it is when you hit the ranger infront of you and stop for 1-2 seconds.

Oh noes! You got body blocked for a whole second!!! Even then, the monsters will most likely attack the others that have a lower lvl AL than you.

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Well, I died becuase, me being in the front, took the Crippling Anguish and was slowed to the rear and then was pounded on by 5-10 enemies.

What do you think would happen if they didn't follow you? Think real hard. Would they great you with roses and gold? No, they would bash you in even faster.

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Everyone was going ".....," "omg," and the like.

That is what I am saying right now...

I am a runner myself. As a runner I encourage people to try and follow me. They make perfect meatshields having a lower armor level than me (they get attacked before I would).

I have hung up my running shoes for now though. I will not support twinkers in any way.

Saner the Stoner · Sep 26, 2005, 07:23 AM // 07:23

I met a couple of runners last night, they where a couple of dutch guys doing the Droknar's run.

They where good guys, and ran me and my brother there. I wont go into the reasons why I wanted to get there (and no it wasent to get Armor or beg (If you ever seen Saner The Stoner doing anyting in trade other than selling al mt crap at cheap prices feel free to correct me) but not all Runners are scammers and idiots, these two guys where a good laugh.

I actually made the final stretch with them, and it was funny as hell to see two runners cheering as I was running up to the end

Numa Pompilius · Sep 26, 2005, 07:23 AM // 07:23

1) Tons of respect to skilled runners, e.g. some of the ones going from Beacons to Droknars.

2) No respect to the skill-less runners, most of them charging nickles and dimes running easy stretches. Failing a run means you're not deserving of respect from your passengers. Deal with it, Sagius.

3) No respect to the people being run. Pretty much all of them are clueless lazy bums, and you all know it. Most in this thread are either lazy bums themselves, or make money off these lazy bums.

4) I don't expect to hear you guys who use runners "a little" to ever complain about how short or boring the PvE is, OK? You've forfeited your right to talk.

Daren · Sep 26, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

In droknar runs people gets eaten by them worms :P Thx god!

Try to set up a couple of rules, which you spam your party before taking the tour = makes all aware of what you want them to do! =) works for me.

Teufel Eldritch · Sep 26, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Gotta agree with Dax, KaPe & octaviancmb here. I do not respect runners nor those that are run no matter how many times a person as played thru the game.

Oh & for you that say I obviously havent played more than one toon. Incorrect, I am on my 4th toon thru the game. Not one has been ran, not one has been "twinked."

wsmcasey · Sep 26, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I haven't charged anyone for running, but I can do it successfully if I need to. I helped my guildie last night go from Droknars to Rankor then to War Camp and didn't die once. Our newest guild member is a young guy that got ran to Droknars and I wish that he hadn't, but its too late. I was ran to Droknars on my 4th character because I didn't want to waste money on multiple armors, and I wanted some elite skills faster for pvp. Our new guild member that was run is only hurting himself, its his first character "lvl 12 ranger", and he has a lot to learn before doing the higher level game content.
It's not fair to tell people how to play the game, but if your rushing thru the game and you only plan on doing PvE, then it's not fair to the experienced PvE'rs that get stuck with you in a group.

Blue Steel · Sep 26, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Can the premium runner of Guild Wars post in this thread?

I have never had any trouble getting respect and absolutely love running and the challenge of rushing people through missions. It makes PvE formidable, for a change, when you have to beat Thirsty River with henchmen and no help from your passengers. I think the solution to all the problems is for runners to all charge more. When runners charge a lot a number of good things happen:

customers make the decision more carefully, and decide if they will make more money doing something they enjoy like farming or tombing or playing the FoW with a newly ascended character to justify spending say 75K for a 2 hour rush from lions to ascension rather than spending a week or two frustrated, building PUGs, failing the missions, and getting there the traditional way
customers are spending enough that they will go to reputable sources for their rushes and runs and scammers will run out of business
if a person is scammed, he or she will have invested enough that he or she will be willing to report it and complain to others so that person is unable to scam others. When people are scammed out of 1K by a guy claiming to be able to run droks who promptly fails or goes offline, they forget about it. If they had paid what it is really worth, they would have invested enough to leave feedback good or bad.
when runners are getting paid what their time is really worth, they get good at it and get better equipment
when runners are paid what their time is really worth, they don't have to spam the trade channels as much
when runners charge a lot, the only people who can afford to go are people who do have skill or a good understanding of the game mechanics. By charging more, you ensure that customers are not on their first character and totally skill-less.

I have always gathered great respect as a runner because I give the highest respect to my customers and will never cheat anyone. Please understand that there are legitimate reasons to hire a runner. At the exact moment the game is more frustrating than it is fun, and you are wasting more time than you are profiting and enjoying the game, you ought to consider an honest runner. There are places where you need to capture an elite skill (think of shield of judgment in the mineral springs), where most people take many hours wandering with 60% death penalty and a PUG or henchies, learning nothing, enjoying none of it, and not using their own time wisely, when they could just pay an expert 50K to run in there, sprint the entire area easily to spot where the right boss spawned, and then kill it so they can capture the skill in 20 minutes.

There are absolutely reasons to hire a runner. And there are absolutely some runners who are total losers. Look for the good ones and pay what they charge.

KuTeBaka · Sep 26, 2005, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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