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Age · Nov 18, 2005, 10:56 PM // 22:56

When there is monk on our team and one on the opposing team and 1 or 2 Warrior I go for the Warriors.This how we did it in beta it seeems to me that it could be mostly PvE Warriors who tend to go for the monk.I prefer to defend our monk and take the damage myself and let our monk keep me healed up.The obective is to get the other warriors hps down or dp sure that warrior can be ressed but with a dp other than that I target the mesmer especially those with swords.The reason I play W/Mo is the little role play i have in the game with my char.
The proffession i do like the best our Monk,Warrior and I am beginning to like Ranger when I played this the first time I had a hard time with it but the secound time seems to better I guess it when I PvPed with the IVeX build and Necro is another one.The ones I have hard time playing are elementalist and mesmer.
The problem with playing other builds other than W/R is that you have watch out for energy costs as a warrior only has 20 with Ascalon or say Platmail to get the full energy you need a full set of Gladiators.To Roza don't judge a profession untill you played it right through not just around post Ascalon but ascened and almost to the end game maybe you will understand the class more.That goes for the rest of you.

Genoa Glenhammer · Nov 18, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

i think that warriors are a necessity to the game, if there is no warrior, whos gonna do the close combat killing??? With no warrior all u got is spell casting mofos, and a ranger, WOW. I think they should go more in depth with the races and professions in the next expansion, because WoW is way better in the aspects of races and professiosna and all that, there is more diversity in WoW

Back on topic, yeah there are a shitload of warriors out there, it because they are the easiest to use, and new players like to use them because they are big heavy kill all things in the universe type professions. And tanks are the shit and a necessity to any group for questing.

well that my 2 cents

Loch · Nov 19, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

I'm starting to see more and more good warriors out there in Competition Arenas. Warriors are a true threat if played right. I'm actually seeing a rise in hammer warriors who get in the thick of things and harass a squishy to no end. Warriors need to be played mercilessly, whether it be with an axe, hammer, or sword, not like some pussy who's afraid of taking too much damage. Sure, warriors should bring at least one defensive stance or shout. But it shouldn't be half their build.

quanzong · Nov 19, 2005, 12:32 AM // 00:32

I think if your good, you STILL wont get a group, because NOBODY knows your good. yes Warriors are overused because they are so EASY to play.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 19, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by quanzong

I think if your good, you STILL wont get a group, because NOBODY knows your good. yes Warriors are overused because they are so EASY to play.

I hate how everyone says warriors are so "simple" to play. Granted; it doesn't take the finesse <omg!> of energy management or spellcasting, but we still have to aggro properly, use skills accordingly, and conserve as well. From aggroing initially until when the fight stops, warriors have to know where enemies are the full time so they don't think mr.squish the monk is it's next chewtoy. It makes me angry to see the class I love belittled as such an "Easy" class to take up and play. I found the same ease with all classes myself; and therefore I believe if everyone plays every class to the potential they'd play their main character, this game would be well knowledgeable about how the way each class preforms.

--The Shim

Roza · Nov 19, 2005, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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When there is monk on our team and one on the opposing team and 1 or 2 Warrior I go for the Warriors.This how we did it in beta it seeems to me that it could be mostly PvE Warriors who tend to go for the monk.I prefer to defend our monk and take the damage myself and let our monk keep me healed up.

Well, if the opposition is foolish enough to attack you, this is all well and good. But trust me, a good opposition team is not going to target you at first. Except whn they are some kind of heavy smiting team, of course, in which case it often does not matter to them which char they target, as they will kill you in 2 seconds anyway.

I am talking tombs/GvG here. This has little relevance to PvE.

kvndoom · Nov 19, 2005, 04:59 AM // 04:59

The W/Mo syndrome comes down to this:

"I have good armor, AND I can heal myself!"

This can be a good mindset, and it can be ruinous. You can either look at it as being able to keep yourself alive to lessen the burden on the Monks, or you tend to think you're indestructible. We've all been privvy to the disatrous effects of the latter mindset. Having played as a Monk primary for a while now, I can tell you that I'll never accept a non-guild W/Mo in my group again. My W/Mo guildmates all play very well, but I can't put that much faith into strangers. Any other secondary is fine, at least they'll know their limitations of survivablilty, and may even have some creative tricks up their sleeve. I just tried to help a guildie through Thunderhead tonight. One of our tanks was using Heal Area. I do not have to tell you the outcome of that mission. That's what did it for me.

Lou · Nov 19, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

The problem is most people see a warrior/monk and think*I can do tons of damage AND heal myself!* I had the same problem with my warrior necro when I first started. I thought I was helping myself using blood renewal and dark pact...

Age · Nov 19, 2005, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Roza

Well, if the opposition is foolish enough to attack you, this is all well and good. But trust me, a good opposition team is not going to target you at first. Except whn they are some kind of heavy smiting team, of course, in which case it often does not matter to them which char they target, as they will kill you in 2 seconds anyway.

I am talking tombs/GvG here. This has little relevance to PvE.

Oh btw I kept eight members of our team alive in Tomps during beta.I was the only Monk back then that is all you needed we almost got to the end untill we got an error 11 meaning beta was over.Beta weekends were nice though you could choose between any skill you wanted as to Unlock all Skills we had.

Akhilleus · Nov 19, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

to every newb monk who does nothing but run like hes in the french army to keep himself alive, i pray you fight me one day, and i will introduce you to what a w/mo can truly do.
monks tend to see w/mos as "that newb who cant drop my health," that is untill you use scourage healing and a boatload of damage skills, and drop them like a sack of potatos.
a w/mo can be a dangerous thing, as can any warrior, but the problem is warriors are VASTLY overplayed by people who have NO clue how to use them properly, and it gives the ones who do a bad name. if anything, the assumption that because im a w/mo im a "tanking newb" HELPS in pvp, as it gives me that little bit of extra time before they realize im built for anything but tanking.
(that having been said, my FoW tank build is impeccable)

Santanus_Perro · Nov 19, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

I would submit that there would be fewer problems with warriors if someone took clear leadership of the team. In my own guild, with ventrilo, all of us being mature players I have seen us do badly because we didn't decide before hand who made the final call on a tactic/decision. Warriors have to get in to the thick of it, and if indecision creeps in, warriors are left with their pants down, and ultimately the team suffers. And, of course, the warrior gets the blame.

So, if you have problems with warriors, I would suggest being part of the solution, instead of crying about it.

Santanus_Perro · Nov 19, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

A good KD warrior will get targeted in Tombs after you jump down a couple of their throats. I was playing like a man posessed the other night. I was making all the right decisions, timing everything right, and was causing havoc for the other team. How bad was it, we were a pug team taking on a guild ranked top 50 in Tombs. I will admit, that won't happen often, but now and again, you get a pug team with players who know their character.

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Originally Posted by Roza

Well, if the opposition is foolish enough to attack you, this is all well and good. But trust me, a good opposition team is not going to target you at first. Except whn they are some kind of heavy smiting team, of course, in which case it often does not matter to them which char they target, as they will kill you in 2 seconds anyway.

I am talking tombs/GvG here. This has little relevance to PvE.

Divinus Stella · Nov 19, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by AncientPC

Warrior bashing = overused

Theres not nearly enough warrior bashing around, 90% of the time when i team dies its due to a warrior aggroing too much and bitching.
I try to take as few warrs as possible in a team, 1 is enough, i try to not take swordies either, they are usually the worst.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 19, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Theres not nearly enough warrior bashing around, 90% of the time when i team dies its due to a warrior aggroing too much and bitching.
I try to take as few warrs as possible in a team, 1 is enough, i try to not take swordies either, they are usually the worst.

Harsh. Real harsh. But you might have some relevance. Most warriors do not know half the stuff they need to do, but I re-iterate: I have to say it, STOP BITCHING! Sit them down and explain what they need to do. MOST if not ALL will listen <and if they don't, like mentioned before, these people are the exception and should be booted at the next possible time> Take Me for instance; If I'm new to an area, I get the lay of the land from PEOPLE THAT HELP, not those whiny people yelling, "Why are you going this way newb!" or "Attack that first, newb!" People have to remember, noone was born knowing what to do, not even your "high and mighty attitude-readjusting self". Imho, if you get warriors who know what they're doing, swordies are among the best for ripostes, then comes axe, then hammer in PVE. In PVP, I'd go Hammer/Axe/Sword. It's just, people need to educate each other.

Where are the teachers that taught these "high and mighty" people that these people that were taught won't even teach other people? It's a sad, sad, cycle, that needs to be broken. Instead of yelling, ever think of positive re-encouragement? Maybe all the warrior needs is a pat on the back and to be told he needs to attack this first, at this location.

Come on, people. Share the knowledge, instead slapping people in the face with deragtory comments.

//End Rant.\\

--The Shim

Sanji · Nov 19, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

The thing you neglect to realize, Shimus, is that people who rant more often than not try to teach these bad players what not to do. Bad players unfortunately tend to have extremely bad attitudes about being "told what to do".

This isn't about newbie bashing, this is about thick headed jerks who never listen. It just so happens a considerable amount of them play Warrior.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks and you can't teach a scrub how not to suck at video games.

Akhilleus · Nov 19, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

i try to not take swordies either.

i get SO much flak from people for being a w/mo sword war, untill i start dealing damage...and lots of it.

Rancour · Nov 19, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Personally, I like the warrior class very much, simply because I think warriors are cool. I just wish they weren't so... low-brow. Many think warriors are stupid because they use big weapons instead of fine magics, but that isn't the case. I think it'd be great if people weren't so annoyed at warriors all the time, even if many warriors have no idea what they're doing.

I also dislike using a sword, because everyone does, but I've found that swords are cooler looking, to me that is. Hammer warriors remind me of stupid dwarves (See, I'm even having biased opinions myself) and axe warriors remind me of Gimli, who's a warrior dwarf too by the way.

The point is that even if warriors can be smart and good players, most aren't and that has causes people to think that everytime they see a warrior. It's very annoying, as I like being a technical warrior with smart tactics instead of charging, but people always think I'm gonna do just that.
Therefor I refrain from being a w/mo. It's totally overused and many combos are just as good or even better.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 19, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

They don't really matter. Sure, some would be better in certain areas, and some for PVP, but if you get a warrior who knows what they're doing then weapons don't matter because the warrior knows how to use the weapon to max efficiency.

--The Shim

Age · Nov 19, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I use a sword for the most part this with my PvE Warrior when I make up a PvP Warrior I will use a either axe or try hammerbut I do like sword it is afterall the traditional weapon of a Warrior especailly a Roman Gladiator when this is all take place and Greece.I have never seen a Warrior use an a hammer yes they used axe as to the term battleaxe but weren't popular amoungst Warriors in that time period.The never gave Warriors a spear or a javalin and there were other weapons similiar to spears.They used daggers as well which would be perfect weapon for say castors warriors eg. dmge is 11-22 attributs in sword 1 or 2.I look at it from historical stand point which weapons were popular then sword and bows from the archers.That is what Rangers should be called Archers.It would be nice as well if there were a few skills that you could shoot an arrow out of aggro and to kill as to what Archers did it only took one arrow to kill your oppenet.
This is the reason I like sword Warriors as it was common weapon with all of them even today swords can be deadly than any rifle.The axe and hammer skills in presearing aren't as good as sword skills.

Just one more thing especailly to Roza I can see what you are talking about the bad Warriors are the ones who get run to the Forge at low levels and never played to the game to learn their skills and limitions and yes most of them turn out to be W/Mo but is still a good class if you learn it well as 2 Warriors were rushing through Thirsty river with 15 K Gladiators armor on.Yeah they got ran to Marhans.

AncientPC · Nov 19, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Age

I use a sword for the most part this with my PvE Warrior when I make up a PvP Warrior I will use a either axe or try hammerbut I do like sword it is afterall the traditional weapon of a Warrior especailly a Roman Gladiator when this is all take place and Greece.

And caveman used clubs which is a primitive form of the hammer.

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I have never seen a Warrior use an a hammer yes they used axe as to the term battleaxe but weren't popular amoungst Warriors in that time period.The never gave Warriors a spear or a javalin and there were other weapons similiar to spears.

Phalanx, pikemen, ring any bells?

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They used daggers as well which would be perfect weapon for say castors warriors eg. dmge is 11-22 attributs in sword 1 or 2.I look at it from historical stand point which weapons were popular then sword and bows from the archers.That is what Rangers should be called Archers.

Arrows were expensive in medieval periods.

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It would be nice as well if there were a few skills that you could shoot an arrow out of aggro and to kill as to what Archers did it only took one arrow to kill your oppenet.

That's called Diablo 2.

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This is the reason I like sword Warriors as it was common weapon with all of them even today swords can be deadly than any rifle.The axe and hammer skills in presearing aren't as good as sword skills.

How good a character in pre-searing has no bearing on how good a character is in post-searing.

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Just one more thing especailly to Roza I can see what you are talking about the bad Warriors are the ones who get run to the Forge at low levels and never played to the game to learn their skills and limitions and yes most of them turn out to be W/Mo but is still a good class if you learn it well as 2 Warriors were rushing through Thirsty river with 15 K Gladiators armor on.Yeah they got ran to Marhans.

You're one of the warriors we're complaining about. I don't know what's more atrocious, your grammar or your history.