Curse

Sekkira · Nov 11, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by delfin42

Because people seem to think that if they bitch loud enough, A.Net will reverse this thought-out-and-implemented change with the flick of a switch. Not gonna happen. Concessions towards tweaking AI and skills further to bring it back _closer_ to how it was in future updates? Perhaps. Total rollback? Nuh-uh.

Don't feel sorry for Eles. This is a hamhanded way of opening different doors for them in terms of playstyle, not a punishment.

Well thought out my ass. "Hey guys, lets skullRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO an entire attribute line to force people to play other stuff

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Yamat · Nov 11, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Fantus

Which is especially sad since nobody has ever proved that solo farming was actually HURTING anyone. All you can hear is the same "GW is a teamgame" BS. Why can't it be BOTH a teamgame and a sologame?

Solo farming hurts because it means bots can farm and bring gold into the economy at a rate that causes inflation. The patch has made it very hard to bot-farm. Sure, you'll still be able to buy gold on eBay, but it will be farmed by people, not bots.

Igedit · Nov 11, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by apocalypse_xx

I know I was just hoping there could be room for both styles of play, but I guess not

Would you agree that the ability to solo should extend to all professions, and not just monks?

I believe one of Anet's goals is to stike a balance between the powers of different professions.

Maybe I'm just not good enough at the game. Can a Mesmer or Necro solo the UW? Maybe they can, I honestly don't know.

Mordakai · Nov 11, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

You know, if GW isn't supposed to be playable solo, then why have Henchies? Why have the pre-searing section pratically all solo? (still one of my favorite things in GW).

The missions should need a group, but if people want to farm the Northern Shiverpeaks or whatever solo, let them.

I don't understand the hostility against solo players... how does it hurt you?

yeaitsjim · Nov 11, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

teams lol guild wars lol - find me a scenario when i go go through a day and find 7 other people that will actually stay through the whole mission sigh, lol this cracks me up you know -i have come to a realization - essentially everyone here is right to a degree - its different some people like that, which is great. Some people hate it (me included), but fine so be it,whats done is essentially done ive signed petitions ive posted here cause i want to show my disapproval using my 1st admendment right.

its just funny cause lol now its even harder to put together a decent team, let alone a team that will actually stay with you to completion of the mission. its almost like doing team areanas - everyones racing around changing their builds - lol and now few people have any idea of whats actually going on it seems (not that im a true expert) - im just upset cause i got this real cool ele and real cool solo monk that i had so much fun taking people to UW with me on my solo monk - i never really hard core soloed cause i found it kinda boring - so what i did was use my solo monk to tank why the rest of the party aided me in killing creatures - but as most UW savvy people know the solo monk can only solo up to a point so it was always fun and cool and still very challeging. its nice that the ai are now aware of aoes, good for them lol but like i just hope at the very least they modify it so that they are not so bloody silly about how they deal with it, its just funny. but like i dunno, i just hope they at the very least fix the ai coding a bit . I think its easier, actually, especially to solo cause lol you have so much more time to cast stuff - what it does however is make it take sooooo much longer to do anything - which yea lol is funny cause i mean i dont have all the time in the world dedicated to chasing tundra giants and stone summit. Yet, once again ironically - a bot will be made , i personally dont support this but to each his own, especially because now it takes longer more people will prolly be inclined to programming themselves bots which (although most likely not the purpose of the update) a likely side effect none the less.

but well that bout it just wanted to say it was fun debating with all ya all - no hard feelings to those that insulted zelda an RPG that i love...sure im prolly not hardcore or nothin - but i love zelda and i love morrowind and oblivion should rock, and ill be so happy and its release is not far off.

Alanus · Nov 11, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Yamat

So let me get this straight, you bought a toaster and are complaining because it doesn't make coffee?

GW is a multiplayer game.

No, I bought a Swiss Army Knife and they took out the carving tool.

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Igedit

Would you agree that the ability to solo should extend to all professions, and not just monks?

I believe one of Anet's goals is to stike a balance between the powers of different professions.

Maybe I'm just good enough at the game. Can a Mesmer or Necro solo the UW? Maybe they can, I honestly don't know.

Yes, I think all professions should be able to solo, and I believe they can, correct me if I am wrong, but the point still remains, they don't like solo play, I'm sure this is in large part due to bots, but making the game unwelcoming to all solo players is not the best choice, IMO, but it is their game right?

Droven · Nov 11, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Igedit

Would you agree that the ability to solo should extend to all professions, and not just monks?

I believe one of Anet's goals is to stike a balance between the powers of different professions.

Maybe I'm just good enough at the game. Can a Mesmer or Necro solo the UW? Maybe they can, I honestly don't know.

+1. I just wanna add that the rangers will be more needed in farming parties than Ele or Me i think. Because rangers can be damage dealers and the ele's giving AoE damage... I hope in a week ppl will understand that

QuixotesGhost · Nov 11, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Igedit

Maybe I'm just not good enough at the game. Can a Mesmer or Necro solo the UW? Maybe they can, I honestly don't know.

I've seen a Pure Mesmer build that can solo aataxes. And it doesn't use AoE if I Remember Correctly.

Igedit · Nov 11, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by apocalypse_xx

Yes, I think all professions should be able to solo, and I believe they can, correct me if I am wrong, but the point still remains, they don't like solo play, I'm sure this is in large part due to bots, but making the game unwelcoming to all solo players is not the best choice, IMO, but it is their game right?

How has Anet made the game unwelcoming to solo'ers? You said yourself it's still very easy to do.

Yamat · Nov 11, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

You know, if GW isn't supposed to be playable solo, then why have Henchies? Why have the pre-searing section pratically all solo? (still one of my favorite things in GW).

The missions should need a group, but if people want to farm the Northern Shiverpeaks or whatever solo, let them.

I don't understand the hostility against solo players... how does it hurt you?

Playing with henchies isn't classed as solo-ing... solo-ing refers to going out alone, just you.

And pre-searing is a training ground to get you used to the interface, nothing more.

Mordakai · Nov 11, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Yamat

Solo farming hurts because it means bots can farm and bring gold into the economy at a rate that causes inflation. The patch has made it very hard to bot-farm. Sure, you'll still be able to buy gold on eBay, but it will be farmed by people, not bots.

Actually, those sweatshops of people farming are the problem. And frankly, getting rid of solo play won't stop them, they'll just join in groups and still get the same amount of gold/items for their enterprise.

(Bots, for that matter, could also be programmed to work in groups with networked computers).

There's just no way to stop people from buying Gold online, even though I agree such practices hurt the economy.

Anyway, as it's been mentioned the patch really doesn't stop solo farming anyway, so the point is moot.

So, I ask again, what's wrong with legitimate players wanting to play the game solo?

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Igedit

How has Anet made the game unwelcoming to solo'ers? You said yourself it's still very easy to do.

Actually, from the start they have always discouraged solo play, Gaile posted on pg 17 to this very extent...just tired of defending the way I like to play I guess...since the dawn of solo monkies, people have hated us,no?

Alanus · Nov 11, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by apocalypse_xx

Yes, I think all professions should be able to solo, and I believe they can, correct me if I am wrong, but the point still remains, they don't like solo play, I'm sure this is in large part due to bots, but making the game unwelcoming to all solo players is not the best choice, IMO, but it is their game right?

Well, yes they own rights to the game, but why make a game if no one likes it? It's all about how much they can profit from it. Companies are ussually swayed by consumer decisions. When the who diet and no sugar craze started, Coca Cola made Diet coke so people would continue to buy their product. But I think any company would do what the majority of their players find acceptable and enjoyable to keep peaple playing and buying accounts. Or do they not care as much since with no monthly fee we've already served our purpose...?

Fantus · Nov 11, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Yamat

Solo farming hurts because it means bots can farm and bring gold into the economy at a rate that causes inflation. The patch has made it very hard to bot-farm. Sure, you'll still be able to buy gold on eBay, but it will be farmed by people, not bots.

I wasn't talking about botting or ebaying. I was talking about solo farming done by a HUMAN player. The LEGIT sort of farming. This sort did never and doesn't hurt anyone.

I am all for whacking bots and ebayers. I only would like to be able to play GW in many different ways including solo farming every now and then. Perferrably without someone giving me the "GW is a multiplayer" mantra every time I do it. Yes, the patch made bot farming harder. Good! It didn't made solo farming harder (despite it probably was ONE of Anets intentions to do that patch). Also good! It still leaves a sad feeling to see (even in one of Gaile's posts) that a part of your playstyle is actually unwelcome in GW.

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Alanus

Well, yes they own rights to the game, but why make a game if no one likes it? It's all about how much they can profit from it. Companies are ussually swayed by consumer decisions. When the who diet and no sugar craze started, Coca Cola made Diet coke so people would continue to buy their product. But I think any company would do what the majority of their players find acceptable and enjoyable to keep peaple playing and buying accounts. Or do they not care as much since with no monthly fee we've already served our purpose...?

Good question...

Crazy Sausage · Nov 11, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

just a thought but when u take ele as a profession now how does it work in the ice mountians when u first get the fire storm skill and you are told to use it to kill the 3 or so waves of ice golems that attack so u can protect the woman (forgot her name) while she completes her ritual?

this is like the update where they screwed all the material prices but still left the crafters charging more to craft items (linen) than it is to buy it

why does anet always talk about we are going to do this soon (auction house/ system etc) then go off on a mad tangent and do something totally different

Igedit · Nov 11, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by apocalypse_xx

Actually, from the start they have always discouraged solo play, Gaile posted on pg 17 to this very extent...just tired of defending the way I like to play I guess...since the dawn of solo monkies, people have hated us,no?

I certainly haven't hated solo farmers. What they do is thier own business.

I just don't agree with the fact that one profession/build is so much more proficient at it than any other.

Mordakai · Nov 11, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Crazy Sausage

just a thought but when u take ele as a profession now how does it work in the ice mountians when u first get the fire storm skill and you are told to use it to kill the 3 or so waves of ice golems that attack so u can protect the woman (forgot her name) while she completes her ritual?

I'm almost tempted to delete a character and create a new one to find out...

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Igedit

I certainly haven't hated solo farmers. What they do is thier own business.

I just don't agree with the fact that one profession/build is so much more proficient at it than any other.

That point is certainly valid...although we can all create any professions we want right?