Curse

Aalric · Nov 16, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Kvndoom - I totally agree (& have posted a long time ago the same idea). Rewarding players who finish the game will help PVE, get rid of the neccessaty to farm & combat inflation.

It also, quite simply, gives you an incentive to play after reaching lvl 20

Aalric

coolsti · Nov 16, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

War Camp cannot be accessed by anyone who hasn't beaten Hell's (it breaks the storyline anyway). Sorrow's Furnace bosses no longer drop greens. Instead, after you've beaten all the quests and Final Assault, you gain access to an area where you can buy green items at a REASONABLE price. A reward for PLAYING, not FARMING. Sure there will be those who just buy them and sell to people who don't want to do the missions, but then they have to weigh the high cost of not playing versus the low cost of playing. In War Camp the "LFG Farming" seems to outweigh the "LFG questing" by about 10 to 1. Was that the original intent of incorporating green items?

Some good ideas, but one comment: I and some of my friends, and I would suppose many others, do not like buying items such as high level weapons. We like finding them, or getting them as rewards. I have never purchased a weapon in all my playing of Guildwars. I have been given some by playing friends, and have given away some in return, but otherwise I have enjoyed immensely the thrill of the dead creature drop or chest drop (where I get most of my keys from creature drops). So I wouldn't like the idea of having an area where green items could be purchased. The idea of getting them as a reward for completing quests, though, sounds fine.

I don't see why Anet doesn't make limits on things, like limits on what areas you can enter or what armor you can wear and what missions you can enter based on your level or whether you have completed certain required missions beforehand.

Mahanaxar · Nov 16, 2005, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by coolsti

This statement represents one of the most idiotic standpoints of today's GW player!!!

How much time SHOULD a mission take to complete? What is wrong with a mission taking a few hours to get finished? Hey guys, the PVE part of GW is a game to be played, and the name of the game is to battle through missions and quests. Ok, there are the side things like searching for nice creature drops, but primarily, the PVE part of this game is all about building up your character by performing quests and missions. Why is everyone so interested in reducing the quests and missions to take as little time and effort as possible? I mean, come on, the missions ARE the predominant part of the PVE part of this game.

My friend got to the Iron Mines mission last night, and so we started to form a group to do infusion+mission+bonus. A ranger joins the group and after finding out we were not intending on running the infusion part, he replied "no one fights this mission". WTF???? Is that the general belief these days?

And what is this BS about it taking too long to perform missions without a fire nuking elementalist? I've played all the missions at least a few times without any fire elementalists, and if the team plays well, they don't take significantly longer than with a fire nuker.

BTW, last night I met an elementalist playing air magic, not because of the patch but just because it was more fun for him. I made the same move with my elementalist, to air+earth, months ago for the same reason. But I felt always a bit wierd entering parties as elementalist, since most PUGS expect the elementalist to be a level 16 fire nuker. And playing air elementalist without AOE is a lot of fun and a lot of help to a group, e.g. with weakening and blinding spells as well as direct damage spells. Thankfully the recent patch will allow for a more "guilt-free" move from fire to air elementalist.

Dude, chill out, and keep terms like "idiotic" and "bullshit" for your friends.

I'm talking about casual players that do not even read a board and are stucked for weeks on missions like thk.
Now they cannot go with henchmen, because they aggro the whole map chasing running chickens (and btw, henchmen are way more reluctant to move out of aoe spells, anet hypocrisy strikes again), and is a real pain to find a decent group, because a lot of ppl do not even read the upgrade notes and keep playing their fire eles.

And even with the right setup, is utterly boring to use hundred times the same retarded strategy to cripple every single enemy.
The original concept was to make a game enjoyable without spending endless hours on it, with missions accomplishable in 30 mins/1 hours. Now this is impossible, because for some missions a casual player need to:

1-spend hours to make a decent group
2-spend hours to complete the mission because people cannot nuke groups of enemies like in any other freaking fantasy game

And what's the result?
Farmers keep farming, runners keep running and casual players are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed.
Yeah, great job.

Btw, i deleted my ele 2 weeks before the update to make a necro/mesmer and can still farm, so the update dont affect my game so bad. But actually there are tons of casual players (my guildies too), that are leaving the game, because the original game concept is completely changed now.

p.s.: on the iron mines wtf comment. Am i supposed to fight the whole way to the seer every time I have to infuse a new armor? Funny

and p.s. 2: before you comment my idiotic english, look at the location

Azn D · Nov 16, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Cut it. The update wasn't that bad... Now warriors should learn TO BODYBLOCK.......

Savio · Nov 16, 2005, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

War Camp cannot be accessed by anyone who hasn't beaten Hell's (it breaks the storyline anyway). Sorrow's Furnace bosses no longer drop greens.

Just a couple of comments:
1. You don't have to beat Hell's Precipice to get to War Camp.
2. SF bosses still drop greens, just not at the rate they used to.

coolsti · Nov 16, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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