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-Loki- · Nov 21, 2005, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven

How can you even quote me off that? I never even BROUGHT up prices, but once, to backpat ancientPC for his guide. LAY OFF, man. I never said charging MORE or LESS is being discourtious, please read before you go off on some lame-ass post like that. I never expected people to charge the same. I never even said ANYTHING along the line of prices, again, but to compliment AncientPC's guide.

Don't read into things, GENIUS =)

--The Shim

I confused you with the other person complaining about pricing. Thanks for not getting carried away

Fyre Brand · Nov 21, 2005, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by obastable

I run for tips because if I thought the time I spent gaming was worth a standard wage then I wouldn't be spending it on a game. The only exceptions to my rule of tips is the rare passenger that wants to go to specific places as quickly as possible and ask that I take no other passengers. While I don't do those runs for tips, I always ask the customer what it's worth to them, and then charge less than what they offer to pay.

As someone said before, people are usually willing to tip more than most runners ask for as a fee. The other day as my Fiance and I were filling a group to run for tips (from Beacons to Droks), we had a passenger offer us 10k each, to pay not only for his run but for everyone else in the group as well. I laughed, and made it perfectly clear that even if he was offering to pay for everyone it was by no means expected of them to pay that much. "Tips" means whatever you feel the trip was worth, be it money or an item or simply a "thank you". Someone paid me in Stone Summit Badges once (4 of them to be precise) and I was fine with that.

For me, the reward in running isn't the money, it's the satisfaction of being able to do the run to begin with, and that little glowy feeling ya get from helping someone out.

To the OP: As others have pointed out, this is a player driven economy, and within that economy your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If they complain that your prices are too high, then they're obvoiusly telling you that your time isn't worth that much to them. Rather than complain about it, or those of us who are the cause of your "problem", you could just not take them as customers. Or, even better for you, you could adjust your prices accordingly and get back in business. Chances are, you wouldn't make much (if any) less doing it for tips than you would for your set prices.

Anyway, sorry if there's any typos or rambling sentences. I haven't had any coffee yet today.

That was a really good post and sums it up nicely. There are a few guys in my guild that charge for runs, but really (I know for sure of one at least) that does it because that is what they love to do in the game. The Beacons run is a fun challenge to them.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 21, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

I confused you with the other person complaining about pricing. Thanks for not getting carried away

Eh, I'm a bit defensive, that's all. And you're welcome. <I get a bit cranky when tired.> =)

--The Shim

sybban · Nov 21, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by Alone)

If one thinks that it takes no skill to run, try it yourself.

Um dude, I run myself. I don't babysit kids who can't do anything on their own. Running takes NO skill. I didn't say it didn't take common sense. It's like rewarding someone for breathing and walking at the same time. I can't believe I'm arguing this crap with people who have only played a couple months

coolsti · Nov 21, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29

No sympathy from me. I am dead set against any form for running in this game. And if I was to help anyone get from point A to point B in the game, I would do it for free. Lucky you I don't feel like spending my GW gaming time doing this.

Draygo Korvan · Nov 21, 2005, 07:43 AM // 07:43

lol?

Running is a joke, no way that ascalon to beacons is 2.5k.

I ran from ascalon to amnoon through denravi on a lvl 7 r/w and a lvl 12 e/n [ward foes if you are wondering]. Its not that hard. I am however against the beacons to drok run because of the high amount of twinking it can get people.

Running is simple, end of story.

As far as pricing. You are not the taxi passenger as a runner you are the taxi driver saying he is charging 2.5k for the trip. If another taxi driver comes in and says he will do it for tips only, well you just meet something called compitition. deal with it. Competition exists in every economy. You have two choices, beat his price or let him have your clients and get more later. If he wants to do it for tips, maybe thats what the run is worth to him and that is what is going to determine the price.

Sagius Truthbarron · Nov 21, 2005, 07:59 AM // 07:59

1k to Yak's Bend.. That's logical.. Or, instead of having a professional do it for you, you could have a level 10 ranger run you the whole way for free?

Most of my guild mates would take me from Ascalon to Beacon's Perch for free. You can do it as any class and it only takes about 30-45 minutes. 5k? Heh.

kg_lildude1 · Nov 21, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

i do general runs for tips and establish a basis with a wide group of customers of my quality of service and proffessionalism, if they ask me for an individualized run for a set amount of money, because they know my kind of service then so be it

that is how i run, and why i have no lack of tip customers as well as people asking me for individual runs

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

1k to Yak's Bend.. That's logical.. Or, instead of having a professional do it for you, you could have a level 10 ranger run you the whole way for free?

Or you could have someone attempt to run you for free and waste three hours of your life.

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Most of my guild mates would take me from Ascalon to Beacon's Perch for free. You can do it as any class and it only takes about 30-45 minutes. 5k? Heh.

I charge what 30 minutes is worth to me, I don't really care what other people are charging. In fact I've referred a few clients to other friends because it isn't worth my time anymore to run.

I just ran from Yak's to Iron Horse with no vigor, absorption, or any skills/spells. Simply having Droknar's Armor (Ranger's Druid set) was enough to get me through alive.

sybban · Nov 21, 2005, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by kg_lildude1

i do general runs for tips and establish a basis with a wide group of customers of my quality of service and proffessionalism, if they ask me for an individualized run for a set amount of money, because they know my kind of service then so be it

that is how i run, and why i have no lack of tip customers as well as people asking me for individual runs

Ah so you are the one I have to thank for all the idiots in pvp, thank you

Ellix Cantero · Nov 21, 2005, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Anybody else ever done the run from Beacon's to Rankor with a WA/ME? I did it a while back just to see if I could. Dunno if I could now that they've nerfed hex breaker.

Sagius Truthbarron · Nov 21, 2005, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by AncientPC

Or you could have someone attempt to run you for free and waste three hours of your life.

I charge what 30 minutes is worth to me, I don't really care what other people are charging. In fact I've referred a few clients to other friends because it isn't worth my time anymore to run.

I just ran from Yak's to Iron Horse with no vigor, absorption, or any skills/spells. Simply having Droknar's Armor (Ranger's Druid set) was enough to get me through alive.

Sorry, but your arguement is kind of weak. It only takes about 20 minutes tops for anyone (that includes people that don't have Droknar's Armor) levels 10-20 to get from Ascalon to Yak's bend; not three hours. I've logged 1,013 hours into this game, so, 5 extra minutes aren't going to kill me.

The part about charging what's worth to you, that's true and you shouldn't have to lower your prices. But why disclude those players that don't buy their gold on Ebay/Farm their brains out? You do realise that charging only 1k and taking a full group of 6 (or 2k for a group of 4) pays the same ammount, don't you?

Well, atleast you are helping keep a few idiots out of PvP. But not enough to make a difference

lord_shar · Nov 21, 2005, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by sybban

Um dude, I run myself. I don't babysit kids who can't do anything on their own. Running takes NO skill. I didn't say it didn't take common sense. It's like rewarding someone for breathing and walking at the same time. I can't believe I'm arguing this crap with people who have only played a couple months

So, how often can you complete the Beacons->Droknar's run, since it takes "no skill?" HINT: Not all runs are created equal, and there's a reason why so many pay 3k/head for this particular run. Droks-running was very simple pre-SF patch. It's considerably more difficult now.

The richest documented GWG user is a runner who made his fortune by teaching others his running techniques at 15 ecto/head. Many gladly stepped forward to pay the tuition fee and continue to do so now.

sybban · Nov 21, 2005, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

So, how often can you complete the Beacons->Droknar's run, since it takes "no skill?" HINT: Not all runs are created equal, and there's a reason why so many pay 3k/head for this particular run. Droks-running was very simple pre-SF patch. It's considerably more difficult now.

The richest documented GWG user is a runner who made his fortune by teaching others his running techniques at 15 ecto/head. Many gladly stepped forward to pay the tuition fee and continue to do so now.

Wow, you sound like a self help tape. Running breeds retards in end game, you can't argue with that. No matter how you try to doctor it up, it breeds idiots. I spaced it out so you could see it clearer. Now listen very carefully to what I;m about to say:
You, and all your kind...still with me?...are what's wrong with mmo's. Tracking? I hope so.

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Sorry, but your arguement is kind of weak. It only takes about 20 minutes tops for anyone (that includes people that don't have Droknar's Armor) levels 10-20 to get from Ascalon to Yak's bend; not three hours. I've logged 1,013 hours into this game, so, 5 extra minutes aren't going to kill me.

I was referring to getting out of Traveler's Vale to Iron Horse. Getting to Yak's isn't a problem.

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The part about charging what's worth to you, that's true and you shouldn't have to lower your prices. But why disclude those players that don't buy their gold on Ebay/Farm their brains out? You do realise that charging only 1k and taking a full group of 6 (or 2k for a group of 4) pays the same ammount, don't you?

If I were doing it for fun then it'd be free. I've done plenty of Droknar, Citadel, and Copperhammer runs for friends / guildies. Whenever that happens I just spam out free run and get people to load up a full party.

Whenever someone brings along a friend for a run, I discount to 60% original price. Yes 1 guy paying 6k is the same as 3 paying 2k, but it's a lot quicker to just go once you have that 1 guy. I don't like sitting around spamming running advertisements.

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Well, atleast you are helping keep a few idiots out of PvP. But not enough to make a difference

I don't think so, there are enough runners out there. Last night I ran into an obvious eBayer. The guy had 6 Crystallines (all dmg>50) and a whole slew of 15>50 req 8 swords but didn't know where Tombs, CA, or TA was.

Dax · Nov 21, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

I have nothing against runners personally, I have something against them dragging people through.

I can appreciate the skill it takes, although nothing really to get all huffy about.

I'm the type of person who appreciates running through dangerous area that require stealth and knowledge of which beasts aggro on sight and smell, yadda yadda. But since there is none of that I can tell in GW, I guess it takes some skill to run through.

I guess it all boils down to what people are willing to pay for someone else's assistance. I dunno it's sorta cheesy to charge to 'help' people and to drag them through. Me, I'd rather do it myself but whatever floats yer boat. Having said that though, don't blame people undercutting you, that's competition.

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Dax

I have nothing against runners personally, I have something against them dragging people through.

Same, but it's not a runner's decision to decide whether or not a client is "acceptable" to run.

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I guess it all boils down to what people are willing to pay for someone else's assistance. I dunno it's sorta cheesy to charge to 'help' people and to drag them through. Me, I'd rather do it myself but whatever floats yer boat. Having said that though, don't blame people undercutting you, that's competition.

Running shouldn't be used to progress through the game. It should be used to skip parts you've already played. It's obviously impossible to run from Ascalon to Droknar's as a level 3.

mm00re · Nov 21, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

I do run people for tips from ascalon beacons usually or all the way to the desert if they want.

if they want to talk on the way they have to wait until i am at the next portal for an answer as i don't like to chat while i run it takes away from my concentration of getting them to their destination.

i always expect some of them not to pay, and a lot of the time some don't, but it's when you get that 5 or 10 plat tip for a flawless run and an hour of your time that makes it all worth it.

You'll see my character in ascalon a lot, tonight's run will be #170

Mustache Mayhem · Nov 21, 2005, 07:17 PM // 19:17

ran some people from beacons to droks over the weekend.. the money's not bad- people are paying 4k each and I was getting full groups right away for a 20k profit.. one guy was even offering 15k for a runner who was'nt full of crap.. think you people who say running is'nt skilled have never tried the drokars run recently- there's one spawn you get in lonars were 3 wurms follow you way past the ridge and all the mobs are concentrated up at the top.. if you don't know whats up you'll get reamed right there- then there's times you have no wurms- it's random.. but a runner who can't handle the heavy spawn should'nt even be posting in this thread imo =] duo runners makes it very easy- had a friend run with me a couple times and it's 100%.. rest of the runs can't really be called skill imo but beacons to droks solo is- you gotta try it before you talk your smack

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

While I agree that DF run takes skill, it's not that hard. There are more difficult runs out there.