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Old Dec 14, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16   #21
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so even a gold req 8 near perfect 12>50 sundering 9/10 fortitude 28 shadow bow won't be worth anything?

Bah. One dropped in FoW for me the other day and was hoping to offload it.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41   #22
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if anyone wants one for testing, i have several for rather cheap on my uw/fow auction. [link]http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92805[/link]
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 04:30 AM // 04:30   #23
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why in the hell can't Anet at least make them look different from eachother. My collector flatbow, longbow & shortbow all look the same The only way to distinguish between them is to use different mods as a reminder.
imo that's kinda the point of collector weapons... to look plain and all the same... but still have great stats... if u want a bow that looks great... u have to be willing to fork over the gold
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01   #24
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Actually, Gaile confirmed that one of the bows has armor penetration anyway.
Yeah, she confirmed that one of them has armor penetration. That doesn't necessarily mean it's this one. I heard some theories that it was another kind somewhere, can't remember which one though.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56   #25
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Whats so wrong with these bows? Is it the ugly no-detail skin? Is there something I'm not seeing. According to gw wiki they have 10% sundering built in. I bought a max dmg, low req, 15% always (-10 armor) shadow bow today for 10k... TEN THOUSAND. A Storm Bow like that would go for hundreds of thousands.

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slow re-fire rate is pretty much what's wrong with them. they look similar to the ivory bows, and for some reason i think those are still popular....no idea why.

that's pretty much it. i think they're teh secks, but that's my opinion.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 09:17 AM // 09:17   #26
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imo that's kinda the point of collector weapons... to look plain and all the same... but still have great stats... if u want a bow that looks great... u have to be willing to fork over the gold
Agreed. I don't have a problem with them being plain looking - I would just like them to look different from eachother. Maybe the shortbow could just be a shorter version of the Ascalon. Even if they just made the name different - like 'Ascalon Flatbow', etc.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43   #27
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"I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?"

I know I have seen pics of other weapons with this perfect mod on guru before, not sure if I have ever seen a bow with this type of stat. I would guess that since there were other weapons such as this at one time - that these bows once existed too.

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Quote Athis Strider (for some reason i cannot quote things atm)

"I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?"

I know I have seen pics of other weapons with this perfect mod on guru before, not sure if I have ever seen a bow with this type of stat. I would guess that since there were other weapons such as this at one time - that these bows once existed too.

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Shmash - you don't have sufficient rank to ask such questions Just noticed you didn't ask the question anyway - doh!

That's what I have heard too. People are still selling them apparently, though it could be a scam I guess. I often see 'bow - 15% all the time' in the trade channel, though I couldn't afford one - so I've never seen one myself.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33   #29
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Most people when they say 15% all the time mean 15% with some sort of penalty, like -5 Energy, -1 Health Regen, or -10 armor while attacking.

But yeah, there are pictures of items with damage mods and no negatives. I wouldn't expect to ever see them sold in game, they have to be insanely rare and valuable.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29   #30
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Agreed. I don't have a problem with them being plain looking - I would just like them to look different from eachother. Maybe the shortbow could just be a shorter version of the Ascalon. Even if they just made the name different - like 'Ascalon Flatbow', etc.
Yes, I have a few collector bows, it's tought o remember which is which. It would help if they were named by the bow type.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39   #31
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It's the refire rate, it just totally ruins the bow. 2.7 second maybe seems like few, but it reduces the dmg pretty badly compared to a 2.0 seconds bow

15-28/2.0 = 7.5-14.0 Damage per second
15-28/2.7 = 5.5-10.3 Damage per second

And this is only the base damage, combining this with skills (Ignite Arrows etc.) would only make it worse. This bow is just a no no, sine the 10% AP isn't that great either.

And about the Collector's (Ascalon) bows. I actually love them. I love to switch weapons, and still have the same look. Don't ask me why, I just do And it doesn't matter when it comes to damage at all, so why not?
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05   #32
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Yeah, she confirmed that one of them has armor penetration. That doesn't necessarily mean it's this one. I heard some theories that it was another kind somewhere, can't remember which one though.
Isn't it the hornbow? I remember reading it somewhere around these forums that the hornbow already have the penetration. I think it was in strategy forum.
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Old Dec 14, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11   #33
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well... i would hope it's the hornbow class that does have the initial 10% AP... if it isn't... why the hell would ANeT make such a crappy bow? :P
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