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kimo the healer · Dec 09, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

I agree with DeepFyre.
Keep in mind that people pay their life savings and risk their lives to come into this country. Just to wash your dishes or pick your fruit.

leeky baby · Dec 09, 2005, 11:36 PM // 23:36

from what i hear hes getting payed from playing games,which oviously we all do alot of and when i play games getting paid for it i wouldt be complaing also i have read articles that these people can be reaching up to $100,000 dollars a year but dont no if its for farming the gold or what ;D

Takeko Nakano · Dec 09, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by kimo the healer

Keep in mind that people pay their life savings and risk their lives to come into this country. Just to wash your dishes or pick your fruit.

Yeees, but they're essentially treated as slave labour. And because they enter the country illegally they have no rights or protection and are thus often treated like crap.

Remember the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOle-picking disaster in Morcombe Bay (England) a little while ago? Lots of Chinese illegal immigrants died because their Triad/evil Chinese gang bosses didn't tell them anything about the tides in the area. It was a question of "Go work for me, or I have you sent home/have your family there beaten up."

People who tolerate illegal immigration because it helps fund their lifestyles are as bad as the people that mistreat them.

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OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT THE JOB OR THEY WOULDNT BE DOING IT.

DeepFyre, these people often don't have a choice. It's work in a sweatshop (electronic or manufacturing), on a building site, beg on the streets, or go back to wherever they came from. There are few workers' rights (that are actually enforced) in the PRC, and thus little to protect their health.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Dec 10, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Willy Rockwell

I met him in Augury Int 1, he says farming is his job, he says he is in China. I think I already said these things.

No, you didnt say that HE SAID his job was farming. All you did was state it. Sorry but there's a difference. I just wanted to differentiate people making assumptions that all chinese players who farm are selling gold on Ebay.

Apple · Dec 10, 2005, 02:27 AM // 02:27

What IS the bonus from using ascalon armor?

Eet GnomeSmasher · Dec 10, 2005, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by leeky baby

i have read articles that these people can be reaching up to $100,000 dollars a year but dont no if its for farming the gold or what ;D

You should have read more carefully. The chinese farmers themselves DONT get 100,000 dollars a year, it's the employers who make that much. A lot of the employers are westerners who hire cheap chinese labour while they themselves make the big bucks. It's how a lot of big business work (example Nike)

Willy Rockwell · Dec 10, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by leeky baby

from what i hear hes getting payed from playing games,which oviously we all do alot of and when i play games getting paid for it i wouldt be complaing also i have read articles that these people can be reaching up to $100,000 dollars a year but dont no if its for farming the gold or what ;D

These people get paid less than 5 dollars a day to farm for gold. Not only is it no longer fun for them, but NO WAY are they getting rich off it. Think about it. On Ebay you buy about 300,000 gold for 50 real dollars. How long do you think it takes to farm 300,000 gold? Nobody is getting rich here.

lord_shar · Dec 10, 2005, 03:36 AM // 03:36

My question is this: How does he get everything he agroes to fight him? Everytime I try this, a few griffs/mino's stop pursuing and run back to their spawn points... I can't get everything on the map to stay on my toon!

jimmy_logic · Dec 10, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

He Sprays Eau De Griffon on himself... gets them all worked up :P

adventchildren · Dec 10, 2005, 05:18 AM // 05:18

Wonder how many people in this world have the will power to do this day in and day out? I get tired of farming griffons in just 30mins.

chippxero · Dec 10, 2005, 05:23 AM // 05:23

I'd farm all day if someone paid me.

Uzul · Dec 10, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

#chippxero: remember that all you'd farm would have to be sold and the gold will go to some guy who will make the real money out of it...

#op:
i like the way you presented this "inside report", the pics are shot nicely.
as a few people already mentioned, the build isn't new - but how many things are truly unique in this world? ^^

#adressing the real issue

the only thing that bothers me is the fact that there are humans that make their money from humans that work for next to nothing...

starting to get philosophical, but most of the western societies are nothing more than a plutocracy where capitalism evolved into a state where you make way more money with the work of other people then actually working yourself. (i don't want to start on the mutation of the media, filtered information and corruption throughout the political and industrial fields of many modern countries)
i feel bad for those people who are forced to either work in a factory all day for minimum wages or in a sweatshop (and all that under a regime that lets humans rott in prisons,...)
for pennies! and then have a few people sell all that "time" for big bucks to people from the 1st world [who dont have the time, but the money to buy that time]

you see the perversion? time of a person from a 2nd or 3rd world country seems to be worth less then time from someone from a 1st world country.

it sickens me and i wonder how long we will be able to continue living on the back of the 3rd world.

just my 2 cents

nytestalker · Dec 10, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Gold sellers use farming bots.

If anyone would stop yelling about equal rights for 30 secs. and do a little math. You would see that there is no profit gain from having to pay people to play at each computer.

They use bots plain and simple. Some "overseers" will play at one computer while the rest of the computers he/she is in charge of bots merrily away.

And dont call an argument unjustified. It IS alot better to oversee 5-10 computers for a job than having to do manual labor for 12 hours a day for the exact same pay....

*let me edit something in here. Im not advocating the practice of "sweatshopping" wherever it occurs.. Im simply saying that working on / with computers is alot better (imo) than manual labor. Would you rather hoe a field for 10 hours a day, or press a few keys?*

But people are morons and believe everything they read / see online.. heck thats why viruses work.. Morons and computers.. a match made in america..

Uzul · Dec 10, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

i'd rather play 12 hours a day then work on an assembly line for the same pay...
i just wanted to point out the perversion of the capitalistic plutocrazy that we call modern society...
it doesn't matter if you look at virtual goods for onlinegames or shoes or whatnot - the principle is the same: make money from other people's work.
well i am going to stop... this isn't a forum to discuss global degeneration.
(just remembered the time when people bought minotaur horns in big piles for 50g each...)

JoeKnowMo · Dec 10, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

If you've ever lived in China or India, you would have a better perspective on the options that workers in those countires have. I laugh when the media and celebrities try to get us riled up about sweatshops in other much poorer countries. If these sweatshops were closed down, do you think these workers would find other employment? Truth be told, most of them would not. Just cuz the idea of a sweatshop is horrendous to us, it doesn't make it horrendous to people from poorer conditions.

China and India are two nations where the labor supply far exceeds the labor demand. That is just a simple economic fact. Pulling our sweatshops from these countries would only reduce the labor demand further, creating more unemployment. These workers want to earn money to help feed themselves and their families. Pretending that you are doing a good thing by taking away their livelihood is phenomenally idiotic.

And don't kid yourself by thinking that the working conditions of other laborers in these nations is any better than those of the workers in sweatshops. There are a ton of abusive and exploitative practices that go on in these nations. The abuse that occurs in sweatshops is not propogated by Americans, but rather are an indication of the larger business practices of these nations.

It just bothers me when (typically rich and sheltered) people try to take food off someone else's table in the name of "social justice" or some other catchphrase of the day that they don't know the meaning of. Go live in these nations with sweatshops, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, China, Cambodia, etc. for several years, and then your opinion on this topic may have some value. Otherwise, go back to your cushy life and don't pretend you care about or understand the plight of people whose shoes you've never walked in.

Hiryu · Dec 10, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Just cuz the idea of a sweatshop is horrendous to us, it doesn't make it horrendous to people from poorer conditions.

That's so true. If the numbers are as big as indicated, these factories help the real-world economy for those countries. People from those countries wouldn't be working in those so-called sweatshops if they had no good incentive to.

Just saying that "omg! gold farming makes people work in sweatshops" is probably the most ignorant argument one can make against gold farming. I support gold-farming from a humanitarian real-life perspective.

On the other hand, I don't support gold-farming from a virtual perspective because it makes it difficult for new players to take part in the fun of bidding on rare items.

jibikao · Dec 10, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Trust me, a lot of poor people would be just as happy to work in a sweatshop than not having a job at all. The pay is bad but it's better than nothing. There are just way too many people in China and India.

There are a lot of Chinese Carry-outs in our area and I chatted with them before. They said selling American Chinese Food is so profitable!!! lol They couldn't earn sh!t in China but now they have pretty decent life here.

I am from Taiwan and my situation is a lot better than those in China. lol Thanks to my parents of course. Now I am a Canadian living in America!

dont feel no pain · Dec 10, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by [Apple]

What IS the bonus from using ascalon armor?

no bonus from ascalon armor to fissure armor with the 55 build , u could farm with no armor if u could inbed runes into ur skin

acidic artist · Dec 11, 2005, 03:28 AM // 03:28

i recently switched my region over to europe just to see whats happening over there. boy was i surprised. i went into augury dist 1 and all i saw was a constant stream of tatooed female monks heading out to the griffons. i thought the whole farming deal was bad with the asian farmers. europe has them beat by miles. dont get me wrong cuz im a solo monk myself. i dont see anything wrong with it. this is a off topic but i was readin some threads in here the other day and one mentioned ebay. so i headed over to ebay and done a quick search on guild wars. 36 pages worth of crap on there. 90% were lots of gold so i didnt bother with lookin into that. what interested me were the ones that had actual bids on them. i havent read the forum rules and whatnot so i wont put in links. but what caught my eye the most was a "perfect crystallin" sold for $200 bucks. what kind of people pay real money for a game item?? either they have more money than brain or spendin mom and dads money. i also saw a "perfect storm bow" that is still on aution and is at $49.99 right now. also 25 ecto going for around $20. this is just insane

ghostlyranger · Dec 11, 2005, 05:38 AM // 05:38

that is the problem with it, if ppl are actually paying that much. more and more ppl will farm and sell stuff on ebay.

i say anet just hired some ppl to pretend to be a buyer or seller, and ban all the shit