Curse

Carinae · Dec 28, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I was in an IDS farming group last night, out on Mineral Springs. I noticed that more than once the Avicara refused to aggro to the tank, and swarmed the monks. Despite the fact that both monks and both necros were well outside the aggro-bubble. The monks went down, then the warrior (W/R) went down.

The SS necro was smart and used my minions as meat-shields and was able to start spamming SS on all of the enemy. Everyone dead except the two necros, why am I not surprised?

I raised minions from both monks and then resurected them both with Vengeance. One of the monks protested loudly about it. "Don't use Vengeance, it's a bad spell."

After a few tense seconds of battle, the tide turned as the Avicara fell under the MM+SS battle plan. One monk Rebirthed the Warrior, and then Vengeance expired....both monks died again.

There were two Avicara left, and we finished them off before raising the monks again. The Warrior used his Res Sig to raise a monk who raised the other.

A few minutes later, near the Collector by the bridge, it happened again. Exactly the same scenario: Necros alive, everone else dead. MM+SS saves the day.

When I had a second during the fight, I raised the Monks again with Vengeance (after raising minions from their bodies).

This time the Monk who complained before, went ape-shit:

MONK: "If you use Vengeance again I'm leaving!"

MONK: "This is BS!"

MONK: "Vengeance sucks"

MONK: "You're ugly"

etc

No one died again during the trip, so I never got the chance to piss them off more. I did try to ask them why they didn't like Vengeance:

MONK: "Were the monks, we can't be down that long"

Now, that makes no sense to me, because:

1) Vengeance is only a 4 sec resurect.
2) They get raised with full energy, so they are actually useful.
3) They get no DP while under Vengeance.
4) The MM get a Free corpse everytime Vengeance expires.

So, am I doing something wrong? Is Vengeance wrong? Some secret monk creedo I am unaware of that renounces Vengeance?

Medion · Dec 28, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

I don't see any problem with vengeance. He should be happy cause you rez him.

Sir Skullcrasher · Dec 28, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

man... vengeance is fun to use.. too bad your group didn't get IDS drops.

Carinae · Dec 28, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

3 full trips, 0 IDS for anyone!

striderkaaru · Dec 28, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19

when i first read the title, i was going to go into a long ethical tirade about vengeance propagating a never ending cycle of violence and how we should learn to break the cycle. but now i see that you meant the skill. and so, i will shut up.

death fuzzy · Dec 28, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20

vengeance is a quick rez used for mid combat.
there is nothing wrong with it. there is no dp penalty, and he can stay up long enough to rez someone else to res him back

i have used vengeance in some scenarios, but i dont prefer it.

i guess that monk has some vengeance paranoia.

Former Ruling · Dec 28, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Monks just have a "thing" where only they are supposed to use Infinate use rezes. (I could tell a funny story about how I KNEW they were gonig to suck, so I brought Rebirth on my ranger/monk instead of rez sig, and saved the day by running out of aggro and picking up the monks with rebirth=only to have them Quit because i didnt bring Rez Sig...)

And from their eyes vengeance is one of the "sucky" rezes.

They often times dont realize that everyone isn't a monk and vengeance has its uses elsewhere.

Of course for a MM - downing your own team for Minions is a good strategy when they dont stack up DP. Its almost like vengeance was made for a Nec/mo. These monks obviously havent traveled much with minion masters that care about their army.

Farin · Dec 28, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Vengance.. You wanna have fun? Use Unyielding Aura on a monk. Oh boy now that's fun..

chippxero · Dec 28, 2005, 10:51 PM // 22:51

i'm a monk, i'd rather have someone with Vengeance and everyone else with a regular res. if a monk goes down mid battle somethings gone horribly wrong, if someone can get me back on my feet with full energy in a few seconds that 30 seconds should be enough to finish the fight.

I take rebirth, this is not a battle res but i need it for the teleport so i rely on other players ressing if people die in combat. Ideally i would take another res but 8 skill slots doesn't allow for that really.

Klmpee · Dec 28, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28

that is y i hate farming for ids.. their r alot of noobs that think they r the best.. and they r not... the only good group was a guru group that i went with the day the post about ids caame out... other than that u did nothing wrong.. its one of the nicest fast resses out their

dargon · Dec 28, 2005, 11:44 PM // 23:44

If it was me, I would have simply told them after the first batch of bitching, complain again and no res next time you die, then when they died again and started complaining that you weren't resing, just zoned out and let them deal on their own. Moron PUG groups suck.

Lord Of Losers · Dec 29, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

oh damn what idiots. vengeance is one of the best rez's to use in a mid battle. well in my IMO it is.

noblepaladin · Dec 29, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Vengeance and Res Sig are probably the only two usable forms of resurrection in combat. If you can last 8 seconds of charging up the usual Ressurects, then you are probably better off finishing of the enemy, you shouldn't have trouble if you can take that many hits (the guy you revive is not in fighting form for at least several more seconds).

Serps · Dec 29, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

I especially like Vengeance because rez sig isn't affected by my points in Fast Casting.

agent of ascalon · Dec 29, 2005, 02:28 AM // 02:28

want somthing fun? use unyeilding aura on them, and if they are being jerks and get a good drop, *click click*

Person: OMFG U st00pid n00b I HATE U

i did thhat 1nce when a guy started calling me noob for using mantra of recall.

Murder In China · Dec 29, 2005, 02:39 AM // 02:39

^ Isn't Mantral of Recall an elite?

saphir · Dec 29, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

vengence rocks, i always bring it on my minion necro when farming.
as stated, you get a free corpse off your companions muhahaha
it's a fast cast, costs only 10 energy, and good for getting someone up in the middle of a furious battle when monks may be very, very busy
and no dp when they die.

oh and as a necro, i get 10 energy from SR everytime they go down as well, which i use in turn to raise another lvl 18-19 minion.

as most minion necros know, it's sometimes those extra minions that will turn the tide of the battle when things get messy and everyone has gone down.

the only drawback for vengence is it's long recharge time, and sometimes in SF it gets ripped real fast by the mes and necros. but venegence is always good for a laugh. it's just i wish more players would realize that if they're up under vengence, they should be rezing the rest of the party, not running off and getting killed again.

LifeInfusion · Dec 29, 2005, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Vengeance rocks. The thing is people expect to be ressed fully and rather stupidly (like with restore life for example).

Rebrith is good, but the seconds of disabled skills and not full health and mana just cannot beat Vengeance. Plus, if you bring another res besides vengeance that resses fully, then you can ressurect effectively without stopping mid battle because of massive amounts healing needed after someone is ressed.

Mosgerion · Dec 29, 2005, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Heh. Once in CA a monk ressurected a warrior with Vengance. We killed the monk and moved on until we noticed the warrior ressurecting the monk with Restore Life.

Uh oh. Our hard work all for naught!

Then he dropped dead with half-a-second to go.

Arwen Dejang · Dec 29, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Speaking as a monk whats wrong with vengence it was said before already it gives me full energy? I can do alot of heal and res in 30 sec. If im in battle and say my messmer goes down with half our party? Just Vengence the messmer and let them go to town! Party up and messmer just then goes down re-raise messmer everything is all good now.

Vengence rocks!! But still i live my un-yeilding!! Anyone for pug tank on a stick?