Curse

MSecorsky · Sep 14, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

War Camp... someone spams LFG for farming bosses. Kewl, I'm bored, tell him I'll go. Asks what class, ranger.

Nothing.

Rinse, repeat through multiple groups.

Is there a reason that rangers are being blown off now in Grenth's? I can keep an enemy monk so busy casting Mend Ailment that he can't heal a thing, I can tank the stone summit slashers or whateverthehell the fighters are while the party eradicates the casting crew... seriously, what gives?

Not a real big deal... made my own party, accepted all invites, first come first joined.. had a blast.

Just wondering as to the current degeneration in intelligence...

striderkaaru · Sep 14, 2005, 08:09 PM // 20:09

those are the same noobs who think mesmers and necs are useless too. they only want 3 things in their group: tanks, healers, and nukers.

the way i see it, you're better off not having joined them as that may have been a more frustrating experience.

Makkert · Sep 14, 2005, 08:14 PM // 20:14

not current. been like this forever.

players are hesitant what to make of the jack of all trades.
does he interrupt? a mesmer can do it better. -assumption
fact: a rangers interrupt just about anything. a mesmers interrupt mostly spells.
does he shoot arrows for damage? a warrior or ele is usually picked for damage
fact: the damage of a ranger can be quite good with the right build

what? what you say? conditons? come on, we want to pwn! bring another ele!

something along these lines must take place.

MSecorsky · Sep 14, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

I dunno... I kind of enjoy spamming conditions. When the enemy monk's health bar is blinking between red and green like a christmas tree as the Poison Arrow vs Mend Ailment battle goes on... it's kind of pretty.

It would also be nice if the tanks would notice that all those guys swinging at them are missing thanks to a little thrown dirt...

Death by Ooga Booga · Sep 14, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Ya some ppl out there are so freakin ridiculous. I was in War Camp the other day and this R was leading, he had to have the "Perfect" group. He was so damn picky that he took a half hour to get a group together. Once he had 7 we all left because he had to have a Protection Monk. Nothing else would do. I dont think it has anything to do with you being a R it's just the leaders think that if you don't have the "Perfect" little group then there is no point in leaving. I don't understand, lets change it up a little ppl!

chaos dragoon · Sep 14, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31

ive played ranger,but i guess im just lucky.ive never had any problem finding a group. sorry for you guys that you have trouble with groups.a good nec,mes or ranger can be very good,just most people dont realize it.

Albino Chocobo · Sep 14, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Well, as a Mesmer, I run more often than not with the reject groups. Nice to know we'll soon have rangers joining us

At least we'll get half decent tanks ..

JYX · Sep 14, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

...if you really wanna join this PUG...lie...profusely...and if you feel guilty, just remember its their fault for being jackasses and not accepting in the first place. Good lies to tell your PUG:

1) I'm a sword ranger...like aragorn...yeah him...
2) I have Healing Spring
3) I'm a smiting ranger -.-;
4) I'm the 50 cent of the ranger world...
5) I don't use any ranger skills
6) I'm the strongest man in the world

Banebow · Sep 14, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albino Chocobo

At least we'll get half decent tanks ..

A ranger (the good ones) do not go in and tank, they hang back and fight like the casters. If you are going to tank, be a warrior, no reason to be a ranger if you are not going to use that wonderful thing called a bow. (this is of course my opinion)

The few ranger skills which require close-combat to work (traps, throw dirt)...well, throw dirt should be used if enemys break by your front lines, and traps...well, I never liked traps, and have pretty much avoided using them, but I think they work well when used to catch enemies, cripple those (insert large, bloodthirsty monster name here) that are charging for your monks. While pet attacks are melee range, your pet uses them, not you.

I recall the times I sold myself out as a healer back when most players where still new to the game (and yes, I did heal...just not like a monk) because no groups I could find wanted a ranger.

wsmcasey · Sep 14, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Or if you're a R/MO, tell them your a pure healer. That will really piss them off.

HEAL ME DAMNIT!!!!!!!!??!?!?! FU, im laying traps b*tch.

Damon Windwalker · Sep 14, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Since spirit spamming has been nerfed, Rangers are worthless...

/Throws gas on the fire and runs!

wsmcasey · Sep 14, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

wow, nice job saying that Rangers are worthless....... LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!!!

Makkert · Sep 14, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker

Since spirit spamming has been nerfed, Rangers are worthless...

/Throws gas on the fire and runs!

*laughs while he runs away, while every ranger shoots him in the back.*

running from a ranger. that is why they put the 'range' in 'ranger' :P

Ooma · Sep 14, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

People don't actually realize what rangers do, most of those groups wanting only tanks/healers have probably never played one.
On the RARE occasion I get into a group (that doesn't require traps UW FoW, or want winter Hell's Precipice), if it's a particularly bad group...e.g. players who never target healers/spellcasters, I like to not do anything for one or two battles, to show them that things can be a lot harder without rangers. It sometimes works, other times just gets me kicked

A good group will appreciate what you're doing, you'll know if they're damn useless as soon as they run over your traps when you pull ;-), at which point you might as well go have a ciggy-break and come back and cast rebirth/res on them all...

But generally you can't change the attitudes of people, which is why I vote for more intelligent henchies, although they seem to have taken a decrease in AI along on a par with the Anet developers with this update...but don't get me started...

wsmcasey · Sep 14, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

When I can't find a group I usually just use the henches, or find other rangers and make an all ranger group. UW trap groups are awesome IMO. How many all warrior groups or all elemental groups have you ever seen farming underworld, fissure, grenths, or sorrows furnace? Rangers are made for survival, and most people that play Rangers as their primary character (even after being thru the game several times) are usually very skilled gamers.

octaviancmb · Sep 14, 2005, 09:32 PM // 21:32

I'm constantly impressed by the many well played rangers I've grouped with. Rangers get some of the most consistently high DPS of just about any class, and they can specialize into more builds than anything else I know. (They're, sadly, even better at their versaility than my favorite profession: the Mesmer.) Their primary attribute makes them engines of destruction almost unrivaled in the GW world, and there are so many near-broken things you can accomplish with a Ranger, it boggles the mind, even after spirits were tweeked.

I'm hardly ever sad to see a Ranger in any of the (rare) groups I'm invited into PvE or PvP. And a *good* ranger is golden. And when I'm Monking in PvP, the most hated thing I can ever see on the other side is a Ranger (well, I lied, the most hated thing I can ever see is a Mes/Nec...but Rangers are a close second).

So I'm just as boggled as the OP is about why Rangers are maligned. But it's a sad truth: nobody really wants them.

Perhaps the brave souls undaunted enough by fear of flames who hate Rangers and all they stand for can chime in and explain why they don't invite them along.

cmb

MSecorsky · Sep 14, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albino Chocobo

Well, as a Mesmer, I run more often than not with the reject groups. Nice to know we'll soon have rangers joining us

At least we'll get half decent tanks ..

What, are you kidding me? I feel half-nekkid without a good mesmer along with some of the new baddies out there. Anyone that would kick a mesmer these days really doesn't have a grip.

schutz · Sep 14, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Dont get me wrong, mesmers/rangers/necro are good and i have a level 20 mesmer but ive done every mission in game on 4 characters, 3 of my characters are a warrior, monk and a ele and when using them 95% of the time i only ever did the missions with w/m/e and it was much faster and simple and i got through the game alot quicker and thats all you ever need to do missions. From my experience and alot of other peoples they get a mesmer in there group and thinks that they dont do enough damage, which is true alot of the time, and in pvp with rangers i always see people saying how crap they are which is 100% untrue, there great for pve and pvp and i will alot of the time have 1 in my group as they always seem to live longest

Danny Lohner · Sep 14, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Ive gone through a few ascentions and beaten the game a few times. Played every profession except for necro. IMO rangers are the most versatile and plain FUN char to play in the game. Im a leader of a tight guild of friends in college, and we are having a blast kickin ass in pvp and gvg with a team of all rangers. I farm in Grenths and SF for fun with my R/W now (guild buddy and I bring 2 nukers and 1 other heal monk). I can tank 3 groups of those carvers/rangers/heretics/... while the other four nuke the crap out of them. Hopefully tho, these noobs will never realize how useful a ranger can be....

Fantus · Sep 14, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

The good news is: The people who think Rangers suck would probably be very bad party mates anyway, so it's their loss, not yours.

However it's still true that certain classes get a LOT more easily into PUGs than others.

That's the 4 classes I play:

- Monk: Gets instant random invites pretty much whenever she enters an area
- Fire Elementarist: Gets often random invites and gets almost always accepted when she's posting LFG into chat
- Ranger: Won't get into many PUGs unless a trapper team in UW. Never got a random invite outside of ToA
- Mesmer: The poor girl could yell "LFG" for all eternity without getting an invite. She never has been into a PUG at all. Her best friends are called Alesia, Lina and Little Thom.

Rangers (and Mesmers and Necros) rock! When I do PvP I will take my ranger about 70% of the time because she's most fun to play there and she kicks ASS. Whoever thinks rangers (or any other class) suck, is obviously braindead.